HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

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LaP

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Considering that "fair returns" tend to not materialize until closer the deadline, I'm not sure the risk calculus is there right now.
Depends. Vanek returned more weeks before the deadline than he returned at the deadline.

NYI paid Moulson, 1st round pick (#21) and 2nd round pick (#51) for Vanek on October 27.
Mtl paid 2nd round pick (#57) and Collberg (drafted at #33) for Vanek and a 5th round pick (#125) on March 5.
 

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They aren't moving Monahan until Lindholm gets dealt.. a lot of teams aren't going to take themselves out of the Lindholm race to trade for Monahan early.

The other part is that while the Habs may want to get Monahan moved sooner than later because of his injury history, if you are an inquiring team and he's taking therapy days, you are probably going to want to see that he's maintained his health deeper into the year.
 

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They aren't moving Monahan until Lindholm gets dealt.. a lot of teams aren't going to take themselves out of the Lindholm race to trade for Monahan early.

The other part is that while the Habs may want to get Monahan moved sooner than later because of his injury history, if you are an inquiring team and he's taking therapy days, you are probably going to want to see that he's maintained his health deeper into the year.
There's only 6 weeks and a half before the deadline. At this point 2-3 more weeks wont change much. He's playing well atm and doesn't really show any sign of being injured on the ice. But yeah GMs looking for a center will probably target Lindholm first.
 

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There's only 6 weeks and a half before the deadline. At this point 2-3 more weeks wont change much. He's playing well atm and doesn't really show any sign of being injured on the ice. But yeah GMs looking for a center will probably target Lindholm first.

It's still almost 2 months and he's taking therapy days. I'm not pulling the trigger on that deal as a buyer until I absolutely have to.
 
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Considering that "fair returns" tend to not materialize until closer the deadline, I'm not sure the risk calculus is there right now.
The “calculus” also has to take into account the number of suitors relative to the scarcity of assets at a given position.

As per LeBrun, several teams are vying for Lindstrom but since many will be left holding the bag and some have limited cap room, they may want to move pre-emptively on Monahan.
 

The Great Weal

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I think Monahan + for Johansen + 1st is the most obvious trade

Montreal gets a replacement center for 2 years at 4 mil, and Johansen's negative value increases the return on Monahan to a 1st. Probably still a bit rich for the Avs so a small + to counterbalance
Unless we are also adding Dvorak to this trade, I wouldn't do it. RyJo has another year left. That being said I don't think Sakic trades a 1st unless it's for a goalie.
 

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Doubt that Savard nets more than a 2nd round pick, even at 50%. What's the point of trading Savard this year, with the little depth on the right side of our D-Corps and the better usage of Reinbacher getting settled into playing on North American ice in Laval, away from the limelight in Montreal?

By the trade deadline next season, Savard at 50% is likely still worth a 2nd round pick, or, at worst, a 3rd round pick.

Matheson is the only D worth a serious return back, especially at 2.4375M if Hughes holds back 50% of his salary, but the something applies with actual quality depth on the left side and player development.

Outside of Guhle, Matheson is currently the only top-4 LHD material the team at the NHL level. Hutson will likely make the jump to pro hockey after the playoffs for histamine the NCAA are over. He'll get a few games in the NHL to round out 2024, much like Farrell did last season, but it might be wiser to saddle him alongside Reinbacher in Laval to start off the 2024-2025 season. It will give Hutson a chance to develop chemistry with Reinbacher as he gets used the switch in pace from the NCAA to the pro ranks in the AHL.

I'd try to move Harris at this deadline, or the following offseason if no move can be made earlier, to make some room on the NHL roster, but we shouldn't expect much a return for Harris. He might get us a 2nd round pick or, at least, the 3rd round pick it cost us to draft him, but not much more.

I'd keep Kovacevic as depth and keep Barron around as the 7th D who can provide an insurance policy in case of injuries. His value will be greater as an add-on, later, in larger trade, IMO, than as the main course in a sub-par meal.

I'd start the season in Montreal by bringing up the Xhekaj-Mailloux pairing as the 3rd pairing.

With a D-Corps of:

Matheson - Guhle
Struble - Savard
Xhekaj - Mailloux
Barron, Kovacevic

until we ease in Reinbacher and Hutson post trade deadline in 2025, we can properly keep developing Reinbacher and Hutson in Laval, as well as Struble, Xhekaj, Mailloux and Barron in Montreal, with Mailloux being the only one that has zero NHL experience .

In the meantime, coming off a 50-60 point season, Matheson keeps getting a 1st pairing and PP role with the Habs (and Guhle this time, over Savard, even if on his off side at RD).

Savard is less exposed on a more defensive 2nd pairing with Struble.

That way, both veterans that will be moved at the deadline can continue building up their values in a more proper role.

Matheson should keep pacing at a 50-60 point offensive production for a 2nd consecutive season and confirm his coming of age, at 30, as an offensive, PMD who can play a top-4 role.

Savard, playing less minutes as a 2nd pairing Din more a defensive role, will be less exposed and make a better case as a defensive depth addition to a playoff roster.

Xhekaj - Mailloux and Struble - Savard can get comparable minutes, depending on their play.

At the deadline, with Matheson, Savard and Barron traded (I'd package Barron in a Matheson trade), we'd have a D-Corps of:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson - Struble
Xhekaj - Mailloux

with the bottom two pairings getting similar TOI and providing regular offensive upside. Guhle - Reinbacher can act as a shutdown pairing against the opponents' best players while still providing some offensive upside with their transition game.

At the 2024 trade deadline, Monahan should be the only player traded that brings back any value. Hopefully, that will be a late first round pick AND a decent prospect, or a Grade A prospect and a 2nd round pick.

A healthy, 55-point veteran C/W with an expiring 2M contract, with skill and hockey IQ, some grit and physicality, leadership qualities, plus a 56.4% in the dot, should have real value for a team looking to make it deep in the hunt for Lord Stanley's Cup.

But, beyond that, don't expect much more.
I think you are a year too early on your plan. Ghule as an example will not have completed 2 full seasons in the NHL(when you factor in injuries) when you get to next trade deadline in 2025 and he would be your most experience Dmen. I am sure the plan is along what you have but the dates in my opinion are more arround the trade deadline in 2026. This group of young dfensmen is still way too young to head in that direction.

The only thing this would give you is a Buffalo, Ottawa, Edmonton type rebuild ... (a never ending one).
 

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Depends. Vanek returned more weeks before the deadline than he returned at the deadline.

NYI paid Moulson, 1st round pick (#21) and 2nd round pick (#51) for Vanek on October 27.
Mtl paid 2nd round pick (#57) and Collberg (drafted at #33) for Vanek and a 5th round pick (#125) on March 5.

That was a different cap environment and different player history.
 

Habricot

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I like him too but Xhekaj could be a case of sell high a good GM could have the guts to exploit. I like the kid but Struble is very good too and we have Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson, Mailloux. ...

Xhekaj is the type of player that makes GM drool all over the place. He's the type of player GMs often grossly overpay for. I think KH should probably at least listen to the offers see what kind of young forward he could get for him.
It all depends on the evaluation of the management team. If you believe that both Xhekaj and Struble are number 5/6 D then yes you may want to make a move but if you think they have more potential then that and could anywhere between a Number 3 and Number 6. Then you wait. It will take another 2 years before Hutson is ready (and there is no guaranty there) to take one of these guys spot.
 

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3 7th round picks would give you maybe a late 5th or 6th, if you find another GM willing to take the low odds. It's best to pad offers for contracts we don't want with those. It always looks better for the club you are trading with. Armia + 5th for ...


Sorry, should have add the sarcasm emoji (was so obvious to me) also tought it was funny to mention that we have 3 7th round pick.......3 7TH ROUND, how the f*** is it possible, i mean YEAH we have 11 draft pick this year, 6 of them are roud 5 to 7 gheez
 
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Sorry, should have add the sarcasm emoji (was so obvious to me) also tought it was funny to mention that we have 3 7th round pick.......3 7TH ROUND, how the f*** is it possible, i mean YEAH we have 11 draft pick this year, 6 of them are roud 5 to 7 gheez
Oh I agree, it's just non-sense to be stuck with that many late picks. I'm so used to it because Berg thought having more tickets in the lottery would increase his chances significantly to get the next Datsyuk.

Gamblers' fallacy is a strategy for NHL scouts.
 

The Great Weal

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I am kind of doubtful he returns a 1st. His skating isn't good and he's poor defensively. He's mainly a PP specialist who's great on faceoffs. I definitely won't complain if he returns a 1st though lol.
 

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That's likely the ask on Monahan, but I still don't see it.

Keeping expectations low has served well as a Habs fan. I would be delighted if KH pulled it off though.
 
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I am kind of doubtful he returns a 1st. His skating isn't good and he's poor defensively. He's mainly a PP specialist who's great on faceoffs. I definitely won't complain if he returns a 1st though lol.
You just never know about deadline deals.

He may just garner enough interest for a 1st once Lindholm is off the market.
 
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Beendair Donedat

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I see Vancouver as a fairly solid landing spot for Monahan. They’re looking to upgrade their Center depth, they have limited cap space, and Rutherford has basically said they’re going hunting, which leaves them with limited options unless a contract is coming back to Montreal.

Maybe something like -

To Vancouver: Sean Monahan, Jonathan Kovacevic

To Montreal: Vancouver 1st round pick 2024, Danila Klimovich.
 
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