This is not a reverse hit.
Literally my first penalty ever in contact hockey was by doing this, I got called for interference
Literally my first penalty ever in contact hockey was by doing this, I got called for interference
Crosby and Kyle Connor fight after reverse hit
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This is a common play in hockey, two guys going in for a loose puck, someone bumps the other, and it is commonly referred to as a 'Reverse Hit'. Whether it's interference depends on a other factors, how far away was the puck, did the hitter change course, how forceful was bump etc. This is pretty borderline and mild, I'm leaning toward no interference.
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Crosby got punched in the face and went down. The next player who gets "smoked" by Crosby will be the first.
Puck is right there. If this is interference, then there are many interference calls per game that aren't being called.
qc14
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Sid starting a fight over a clean hit, can't say I'm not surprised
if Crosby goes to Colorado with Mack, the spazzing/60 will reach astronomical levels.
Yeah, that's interference, not reverse hitting. Reverse hitting is, as the name suggests, done against hits.
Romang67
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You're making assumptions that aren't supported by the rulebook. Again, the interference rule is saying you have the right to your ice. It additionally says this:
That section of the interference rule is specifically saying that you can't take advantage of your body position to "deliver an otherwise illegal check." There is no reason to have the word "illegal" in the rule if you aren't allowed to deliver a check.
You can deliver a check to protect the ice you're on. Because you have ultimate right to that ice (again, unless you're setting a pick).
Yep. I don't think people generally actually read the rules they talk about. The only time a player doesn't have the ultimate right to the space they occupy is in when they're in the opponent's crease.
JetsFan815
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I am a firm believer that these "reverse hits" should be interference penalties no matter what, not just his hit but every single "reverse hit". Dangerous and blindsiding.
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The alternative is a lot more people going into the boards. It’s a reaction to counter pressure and this game 100% allows pressure in those zones, variations of staying sturdy like this is literally how they make it to the NHL in the first place.
The only reason it’s “blindsiding” is because the conventions of the game allow the hitter to expect to throw contact and not really pay for it, and stopping short sucks that momentum away. Crosby’s not protecting himself, he expected some weak contact and got popped for going through the motions. That’s much better than the other way around.
Why did you leave out the part before the one you quoted? Namely:
Is the reason you didn't quote this because it hurts your narrative? I wonder what "moving in the same direction" means?
This clearly is referring to cases where one player is ahead of the other while heading to the puck. That's very different from one player stopping and reversing to hit against the player behind him. At that point, they're no longer moving in the same direction.
I wonder what your excuse is to not quote this part.
Romang67
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Because I was specifically talking about the only part of the interference rule that refers to delivering a check? Which specifies that a check is allowed if it's not illegal? In the part you quoted where I was talking about delivering a check? In the post where I was responding to a person who claimed that laying a hit on a player who doesn't have possession of the puck is interference?
I dunno, I thought it was evident why I highlighted the part about laying a check.
Your claim is that stopping to deliver a check is interference. If you stop, in a way that does not move you laterally and does not constitute a pick (which would require you to not have "body position"), you have right to the ice you ocuppy, as per the second paragraph of the "body position" section of the interference rule.
What gives you the idea that you no longer has right to the ice you occupy because you stop in front of a player? It's written verbatim in the rulebook that you have right to the ice you occupy if you aren't setting a pick, which you can only do if you do not have "body position" to begin with. If you are skating in front of a player, moving in the same direction as he does, you can't set a pick as you already have body position.
To really lay it out for you, so you don't come up with more theories about why I posted the parts I posted:
1. A player who lays a reverse hit is moving toward the puck, just as the chasing player is. Thus, he has "body position" as specified in rule 56.1.
2. A player has right to the ice he occupies, which means he can stop skating and still have "body position".
3. There are two examples of checking a player where that would be deemed interference.
3a. Taking advantage of his body position to deliver an "otherwise illegal check" (this one is particular makes it pretty obvious that you're allowed to take advantage of your body position to deliver a legal check).
3b. When a player lays a pick (which you can only do if you don't have body position, as per the pick section of rule 56.1).
What a weird question. "In the post where you show how you're allowed to check a player player without the puck if you have body position, you don't post the part about how you establish body position. Are you trying to hide something?" No, I'm assuming we're talking about a player with body position because otherwise it's textbook interference. In future posts, would you like me to specify that I'm talking about the NHL rulebook and not the NBA rulebook?
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Doc McKenna
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If that is interference then what Kronwall use to do must need a new rule and term. Man some sid fans really need to stop pretending like little sweet heart wasn't being his baby self. Its a contact sport FFS. I watched Colby Armstrong follow Koivu around the boards and come screaming in for a headshot, I don't even recall a penalty as Koivu "should have known to have his head up with armstrong on the ice" while being crumpled on the ice. I don't condone head shots or marchand cheap/sneaky type shots, but this was just a normal hockey play. If they needed to call this, there would be ZERO flow to a single hockey game and it would be 3 vs 4 the entire 60 minutes.
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It was just Crosby trying to get something going for his sad sack team. Was his first fight in five years, tenth in his career.
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What a sad state of affairs. A player bracing himself and leaning into a guy about to hit him is now considered a penalty by many
When I was playing, you'd eat an elbow or butt end when trying to hit someone and nobody thought twice about it
Now we wonder why everyone's panties get in a bunch after anything, including clean hits
When I was playing, you'd eat an elbow or butt end when trying to hit someone and nobody thought twice about it
Now we wonder why everyone's panties get in a bunch after anything, including clean hits
looks more like the straw that broke the camels back team isn't doing great and he is still a high end competitor who always expects to win despite circumstances. He doesn't read headlines and probabilities and let it affect his play
When I was playing, if a guy tried to butt end me or elbow he'd find I wouldn't be so nice the next time I went into the corner with him. Especially if they did it while having one of those f***ing stop signs patched onto the backs of their jerseys.
SomeDude
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Should be titled Crosby and Kyle Connor fight after Penguins suck for a month and a half.
Sid does this every time the team is in a terrible rut. He finds someone to fight. Usually it at least temporarily lights a fire for the rest of the team but Dubas and Sullivan have managed to compose and coach a team of absolute gutless wonders.
The good news is that Crosby fighting also historically means the coach is on his last legs if the team doesn’t respond. Well, it would be good news if Sullivan wasn’t installed as life time emperor of the team.
Sid does this every time the team is in a terrible rut. He finds someone to fight. Usually it at least temporarily lights a fire for the rest of the team but Dubas and Sullivan have managed to compose and coach a team of absolute gutless wonders.
The good news is that Crosby fighting also historically means the coach is on his last legs if the team doesn’t respond. Well, it would be good news if Sullivan wasn’t installed as life time emperor of the team.
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