HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[JeffreyLFC]

I don't think there's anything particularly "wrong" with Zegras in terms of some nefarious hidden locker room cancer or whatever, he's just not THAT good. The talent is there but as an NHLer his overall game is just not that special, he's a useful top 6 forward right now but not currently on track to be a true franchise/core guy. The Ducks are cagey about paying him as a key player and they think they're better off with their 2 big horses down the middle in Carlsson and McTavish. Zegras is going to want to get paid like a C and the Ducks don't think he's going to be a C for them, and they might be concerned that he's already fairly close to his ceiling rather than seeing the 61/65pt seasons being signs of a future 90+ point dynamic offensive talent. It makes a lot of sense for them to want to trade him based on who he is on the ice, particularly if they see him as a winger and just traded for Gauthier who probably plays on the wing as well. He's a player that likely has more trade value than on-ice value for the Ducks in the eyes of their FO, I don't think there's anything more to it than that.

I'm not a huge Zegras fan, but I'm not against trading for him in principle as there's a pretty natural fit on the wing with Dach, and he'd be a great addition to our PP in the short and long term. My issue with it is it just that I don't see a fit. We're not trading Guhle, Hutson, or Reinbacher for him, and they're not taking a package of Xhekaj/Harris/Barron and magic beans for him. We don't currently have a piece to trade that's valuable enough to the Ducks but expendable to us.

I could somehow see them being interested in Newhook and even Matheson.

 

[MarkJ]

Funny reading X and fans not wanting to give up some B prospects for Monahan.

 

[bcv]

Funny reading X and fans not wanting to give up some B prospects for Monahan.

Even on here, people are still saying stupid stuff like "Chiarot will never return a 1st round pick"

 

[morhilane]

Funny reading X and fans not wanting to give up some B prospects for Monahan.

I just read a "6 options for Monahan" article and every one of them was "this team is better off keeping their stuff or take trade this late round Russian named prospect instead of the better prospects".

What it tells me is that nobody think very highly of Monahan or their team future success for that matter.

 

[General Fanager]

I just read a "6 options for Monahan" article and every one of them was "this team is better off keeping their stuff or take trade this late round Russian named prospect instead of the better prospects".

What it tells me is that nobody think very highly of Monahan or their team future success for that matter.

Reporters are fans too and sometimes they are wearing the wrong hat when they wright the article....

 

[Runner77]

If Hughes trade who we think he's going to trade (Monahan/Pearson maybe Allen or Primeau), you'll be able to see a center line of Suzuki/Evans/Newhook play. The 4th line might as well not exist with their TOI, which makes me think that Pezz could get waived.

I don't think there will be much NHL acquisition, even as cap dump/contract swap in the trade. I think Hughes will try to focus on help for Laval.

Primeau might just be the ace in the hole in the event there are no takers for Allen. However, why would a contending team want a green goalie in a playoff push?

I see him more as a summer deal if it has to happen and if the return is too good to pass up.

 

[General Fanager]

Primeau might just be the ace in the hole in the event there are no takers for Allen. However, why would a contending team want a green goalie in a playoff push?

I see him more as a summer deal if it has to happen and if the return is too good to pass up.

They wouldn't. If he goes it will likely be to a team building that needs goalie options for the future or a guy good enough to play for now until their guy of the future is ready

 

[morhilane]

Primeau might just be the ace in the hole in the event there are no takers for Allen. However, why would a contending team want a green goalie in a playoff push?

I see him more as a summer deal if it has to happen and if the return is too good to pass up.

It's not just contending team that deals at the deadline. Last year, both Vancouver and Washington were out of the playoffs and they paid a 1st to get a young D. LAK also traded a 3rd for the G NCAA prospect Portillo who started his pro career this season (probably didn't want to sign with Buffalo).

 

[LaP]

Primeau might just be the ace in the hole in the event there are no takers for Allen. However, why would a contending team want a green goalie in a playoff push?

I see him more as a summer deal if it has to happen and if the return is too good to pass up.

Contract likely. Primeau will be paid 890 000 next season. Unlikely to see a huge raise after that he'll be easy to bridge for 2-3 years as he'll be looking for a one way contract and a definitive spot in the NHL.

Let's face it despite what the "we need a better backup to Price" crowd liked to chant back in the days you're not winning a cup if your main goalie is injured unless your backup is paid in the 3-4 millions range (i.e. a 1B goalie) and many "contending" team can't afford a 1B goalie (Florida, TB, us back when Price started to be paid 10 millions). Florida is not winning **** with Stolarz and TB is not winning **** with Johansson.

When it comes to vet you have absolutely nothing for 890 000 as a backup. If Primeau keeps playing well i could see a team being interested in trying him as backup next season hoping he can become a cheap 1B goalie for a few years. His value will be low though you wont get a 1st for him absolutely not maybe a 3rd something like that if he keeps his s% in the 905-910 range and keeps playing for 500 P%.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Dubas loved throwing around first round picks near the end of his time in Toronto, would be awesome to try and snag a first rounder from the Pens given that team can fall apart any year now. Their core doesn't have much time left and they are almost in a playoff spot so it makes sense for them to go all in as much as they can.

Monahan would help their middle six and give them more scoring depth which they've lacked since the HBK line, can throw in Kovacevic to help their D depth too to make it happen.

 

[Runner77]

They wouldn't. If he goes it will likely be to a team building that needs goalie options for the future or a guy good enough to play for now until their guy of the future is ready

Which points to an off season deal, if it were to happen.

 

[Runner77]

It's not just contending team that deals at the deadline. Last year, both Vancouver and Washington were out of the playoffs and they paid a 1st to get a young D. LAK also traded a 3rd for the G NCAA prospect Portillo who started his pro career this season (probably didn't want to sign with Buffalo).

Not impossible but deals for goalies by acquiring non-contending teams represent a small fraction of deadline trades — hence, more likely in the summer.

 

[Runner77]

I just read a "6 options for Monahan" article and every one of them was "this team is better off keeping their stuff or take trade this late round Russian named prospect instead of the better prospects".

What it tells me is that nobody think very highly of Monahan or their team future success for that matter.

Luckily, none of these frugal kiaks will matter one iota when the ultimate decision makers lay down the valuables to help secure a key piece to their playoff rosters.

At the rough guesstimate cost of a late first, a contending team would really have to be shortsighted to not jump on Monahan ahead of the pack.

 

[Kwikwi]

Sooner we get Zegras, the sooner we can reunite the trio by acquiring Jack Hugues.
Can’t wait!

 

[The Great Weal]

Even on here, people are still saying stupid stuff like "Chiarot will never return a 1st round pick"

If I'm a playoff team, I'd much rather give up a 1st for Chiarot at that time than a 1st for Monahan now. Not even close. But yes mainboard in general is a shithole. You got Canucks fans saying Monahan wouldn't be useful to them when they got Joshua and Blueger in the top 6.

 

[Runner77]

If I'm a playoff team, I'd much rather give up a 1st for Chiarot at that time than a 1st for Monahan now. Not even close. But yes mainboard in general is a shithole. You got Canucks fans saying Monahan wouldn't be useful to them when they got Joshua and Blueger in the top 6.

Most fans on the Maim Board or on Twitter, are prospects/ draft pick obsessed, so naturally they don’t value deadline acquisitions by contending teams.

 

[Runner77]

Just for shits and giggles (aka kiaks), further to Hughes’ recent presser, BPM floated the idea of targeting these 4 players aged 22 or younger, who they claim, could use a change of scenery:



Add Zegras to the mix and who do you think is a more likely realistic target (in order) among:

Lundell, Holtz, Kakko, Podkolzin, Zegras?

In a second list, how would you rank them if they were all equally available?

 

[Andy]

Lundell and Holtz would be my targets

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

go get Hotlz he has the potentiel and we badly need RWs

 

[McGuires Corndog]

go get Hotlz he has the potentiel and we badly need RWs

Yeah out of those 4, Holtz would be my first pick and Lundell second. I have little to no interest in Podkozlin or Kakko

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Walker Duehr waived.

Might be a solid option to pick up and send Roy back down, but I'm not sure of the timeline for returning players.

 

[Canadiens98]

My brother in christ. That just gets you rid of Gallagher

I was waiting for that reply

 

[morhilane]

Lundell, Holtz, Kakko, Podkolzin, Zegras?

Holtz or Lundell.

Kakko can't stay healthy, he would need to be very cheap.

Zegras has on-ice issues, so pass.
Podkolzin's handling by Vancouver points toward issues more than "can't break the line-up" too, but I don't know much about him.

Walker Duehr waived.

Might be a solid option to pick up and send Roy back down, but I'm not sure of the timeline for returning players.

Pearson is coming back very soon, he made the trip with the team. The only player the Habs should take on waivers is a center because they are very thin at the position with Dvorak/Dach out for the season and Monahan probably getting traded.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Just for shits and giggles (aka kiaks), further to Hughes’ recent presser, BPM floated the idea of targeting these 4 players aged 22 or younger, who they claim, could use a change of scenery:



Add Zegras to the mix and who do you think is a more likely realistic target (in order) among:

Lundell, Holtz, Kakko, Podkolzin, Zegras?

In a second list, how would you rank them if they were all equally available?

1 Zegras
2 Lundell
3 Holtz
4 Kakko
5 Podklozin

Most realistic would be Kakko. Possiblty Zegras if Verbeek really want to move him. No interest in Podkolzin. I would think the only player NJ would be interested in is Monty.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

Lundell and Holtz would be my targets

Florida isn’t trading Lundell