HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Runner77]

Look who got out of his hole pretending he has sources...

He’s early, he even beat out Punxsutawney Phil. Since Guérin saw his own shadow, there will be 6 more weeks of made up rumors.

The alleged hockey indiderrrr-fireman made a low hanging fruit prediction — he’s not the first to suggest that Monahan will go before the deadline given that the longer he plays, the more his injury past can come back to haunt him and completely destroy his trading value.

 

[salbutera]

He’s early, he even beat out Punxsutawney Phil. Since Guérin saw his own shadow, there will be 6 more weeks of made up rumors.

The alleged hockey indiderrrr-fireman made a low hanging fruit prediction — he’s not the first to suggest that Monahan will go before the deadline given that the longer he plays, the more his injury past can come back to haunt him and completely destroy his trading value.

Monahan could very well be the most sought after deadline asset given position + veteran experience + AAV + expiring contract

 

[sampollock]

recent episode of TSN Insider, the very competent Darren Dreger shared important information concerning the American team and the Montreal Canadiens. According to his sources, Kent Hughes would make every effort to find a trade partner for Sean Monahan , and the Boston Bruins would be among the teams potentially interested in his services.

 

[salbutera]

recent episode of TSN Insider, the very competent Darren Dreger shared important information concerning the American team and the Montreal Canadiens. According to his sources, Kent Hughes would make every effort to find a trade partner for Sean Monahan , and the Boston Bruins would be among the teams potentially interested in his services.

What do the Bruins have to offer? Leafs make much more sense: need + Treiliving factor

 

[morhilane]

He’s early, he even beat out Punxsutawney Phil. Since Guérin saw his own shadow, there will be 6 more weeks of made up rumors.

The alleged hockey indiderrrr-fireman made a low hanging fruit prediction — he’s not the first to suggest that Monahan will go before the deadline given that the longer he plays, the more his injury past can come back to haunt him and completely destroy his trading value.

Dreger said it first a week or two ago.

I'm sure Monahan is popular thought, cheap UFA contract, brings offense, can play all 3 forward positions, good at face offs, not bad defensively, can PK and his efficiency will increase playing with good fast skating linemates instead of what he's usually stuck with on the Habs.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

There are days where I'm legit pissed that I never went through with my idea of starting my own dumb hockey insider rumor site in the late 2000's. Seems like the easiest money in the world.

It is never too late, just start a site called "Leafs' Rumours" and report every UFA and player on the the trading block is going to the Leafs and you'll get a shit ton of traffic.

 

[Runner77]

Monahan could very well be the most sought after deadline asset given position + veteran experience + AAV + expiring contract

Those are the reasons he’s highly sought (and those points raised in @morhilane ’s post, above) plus his work ethic, attitude, he’s a great teammate — he’d fit seamlessly on any team.

However all of that could become useless since as we saw last season, he’s a ticking injury timebomb. Now’s the time to move him or ASAP — no insiderrrr needed to know that.

 

[vokiel]

If you want Mantha just sign him as a free agent.

Nah that's not the goal. The goal is getting rid of longer deals which we know will not be extended.

So if no one is knocking on Washington's door for Mantha, since he's a UFA, there's an opportunity.

 

[LaP]

He’s early, he even beat out Punxsutawney Phil. Since Guérin saw his own shadow, there will be 6 more weeks of made up rumors.

The alleged hockey indiderrrr-fireman made a low hanging fruit prediction — he’s not the first to suggest that Monahan will go before the deadline given that the longer he plays, the more his injury past can come back to haunt him and completely destroy his trading value.

Wont be surprised if he's traded in the first half of February, The offers are most certainly already on the table and they probably involve a conditional pick and maybe a b prospect. KH is likely waiting to see if he can get more and maybe also for the team to be statistically eliminated

Right now if they play for .700 P% until the end of the year they could make it. While it's unlikely it's not impossible for the CH to hamburglar themselves into the playoffs. 3-4 more losses and they'll need to play for 750-800 which will be almost impossible. I doubt KH will wait the deadline too much risky.

 

[sampollock]

I have tickets to see the habs in EDM in march. I wonder if there will be a newer look to the team by then

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

recent episode of TSN Insider, the very competent Darren Dreger shared important information concerning the American team and the Montreal Canadiens. According to his sources, Kent Hughes would make every effort to find a trade partner for Sean Monahan , and the Boston Bruins would be among the teams potentially interested in his services.

Hughes: I want Jack Reacher.
Boston: we have "at home" Jack Reacher.
Hughes: we've acquired John Beecher

 

[Runner77]

I have tickets to see the habs in EDM in march. I wonder if there will be a newer look Newhook to the team by then

Fixed.

 

[LaP]

I have tickets to see the habs in EDM in march. I wonder if there will be a newer look to the team by then

For sure. Monahan will be gone. Pearson too. We wont get much for Pearson but if he comes back before the deadline and we retain half a team will bite. I think we are stuck with Allen until next summer. I don't see the value in Allen for a team. He's not good and his cap hit is high for this year and next. We would need to retain for this year and next but we likely want to keep our two retentions for next year for Dvorak and Savard (3rd retention will be Petry).

KH will address the 3 goalies situation next summer imo without retaining (it will be clearer what Primeau could be and he will be in a position to accept a bad contract in return of Allen with Alzner buyout and Edmundson retention off the book). Would not be too surprised to see Harris being traded along the road maybe added to a vets to sweeten a deal and to get better picks / young players.

 

[Runner77]

For sure. Monahan will be gone. Pearson too. We wont get much for Pearson but if he comes back before the deadline and we retain half a team will bite. I think we are stuck with Allen until next summer. I don't see the value in Allen for a team. He's not good and his cap hit is high for this year and next. We would need to retain for this year and next but we likely want to keep our two retention for next year for Dvorak and Savard. KH will address the 3 goalies situation next summer imo. Would not be too surprised to see Harris being traded maybe added to a vets to get better picks / young players.

If Savard were moved at the deadline next year, would he really require retention given his reasonable AAV and the cap expected to rise appreciably next year? Dvorak may need it and perhaps Armia.

I think Allen can be moved at this deadline but not for the return that Hughes is pining for. Who knows though, Hughes has insights on the market that we don’t have so we can’t really discount anything.

 

[LaP]

If Savard were moved at the deadline next year, would he really require retention given his reasonable AAV and the cap expected to rise appreciably next year? Dvorak may need it and perhaps Armia.

I think Allen can be moved at this deadline but not for the return that Hughes is pining for. Who knows though, Hughes has insights on the market that we don’t have so we can’t really discount anything.

No but you'll have more clients if you retain (more clients likely means a better return). His cap is 3.5 so at the deadline around 2 millions left. Obviously that's perfectly fine for Savard but lot of teams have 0 space left. If you make him a league's minimum cap then it's a no brainer to acquire him for a team needing defense depth since the player he'll replace will also be a league's minimum player so the cap doesn't increase.

Acquiring a Savard at league's minimum cap is what MB should have done when we had Emelin in our top 4 after acquiring Vanek. It's a no brainer deadline move imo.

 

[Runner77]

No but you'll have more clients if you retain (more clients likely means a better return). His cap is 3.5 so at the deadline around 2 millions left. Obviously that's perfectly fine for Savard but lot of teams have 0 space left. If you make him a league's minimum cap then it's a no brainer to acquire him for a team needing defense depth since the player he'll replace will also be a league's minimum player so the cap doesn't increase.

Acquiring a Savard at league's minimum cap is what MB should have done when we had Emelin in our top 4. It's a no brainer move imo.

We’d have to know what the cap landscape will look like at the deadline next year, though. That’s a little premature.

FWIW, I just happen to believe that Savard’s AAV on an expiring contract next season should be digestible. Worst case scenario, I’d much rather the Habs take on an expiring contract cap dump if the return is right, than burn a valuable retention slot on such an easily tradeable proven post-season performer.

 

[morhilane]

I have tickets to see the habs in EDM in march. I wonder if there will be a newer look to the team by then

If Hughes trade who we think he's going to trade (Monahan/Pearson maybe Allen or Primeau), you'll be able to see a center line of Suzuki/Evans/Newhook play. The 4th line might as well not exist with their TOI, which makes me think that Pezz could get waived.

I don't think there will be much NHL acquisition, even as cap dump/contract swap in the trade. I think Hughes will try to focus on help for Laval.

 

[McGees]

Savard is the type of player I worry about his play falling off a cliff at this point in his career. He already looks really slow some nights. I really hope they trade him this TDL while he still holds value.

 

[Runner77]

If Hughes trade who we think he's going to trade (Monahan/Pearson maybe Allen or Primeau), you'll be able to see a center line of Suzuki/Evans/Newhook play. The 4th line might as well not exist with their TOI, which makes me think that Pezz could get waived.

I don't think there will be much NHL acquisition, even as cap dump/contract swap in the trade. I think Hughes will try to focus on help for Laval.

I am not convinced Newhook is at his best at center. He seemed to perform much better this season when deployed as a winger.

Maybe someone has stats to back this up? I’m only going from what I remember.

 

[salbutera]

Savard is the type of player I worry about his play falling off a cliff at this point in his career. He already looks really slow some nights. I really hope they trade him this TDL while he still holds value.

Teams that target Savard, as TBay did, are looking for his PK, shot blocking & stability on D, not puck carrying transitional game.

 

[McGees]

Teams that target Savard, as TBay did, are looking for his PK, shot blocking & stability on D, not puck carrying transitional game.

Need speed when defending too.

 

[Runner77]

Savard is the type of player I worry about his play falling off a cliff at this point in his career. He already looks really slow some nights. I really hope they trade him this TDL while he still holds value.

His play is more suited to the playoffs so he does hold value as a vet RHD for a contending team.

I wonder how inclined Hughes might be to move him now, given his mentorship role and exemplary work ethic with the team’s young D-corps. Maybe a juicy offer comes in, making it too difficult to pass up.

 

[morhilane]

I am not convinced Newhook is at his best at center. He seemed to perform much better this season when deployed as a winger.

Maybe someone has stats to back this up? I’m only going from what I remember.

Oh, Newy is not good at center at all, it's just that the Habs have nobody to play there with Dvorak and Dach out for the season and Monahan traded outside of him.

Unless we put Armia at center or something. edit: or getting a bottom 6 cap dump center in one of the trades, or picking one from waivers like Thierny last year.

 

[McGees]

His play is more suited to the playoffs so he does hold value as a vet RHD for a contending team.

I wonder how inclined Hughes might be to move him now, given his mentorship role and exemplary work ethic with the team’s young D-corps. Maybe a juicy offer comes in, making it too difficult to pass up.

I think he adds a lot to the team and if they are sniffing a playoff spot they probably won't move him. I'm just thinking big picture as we are overflowing with D and he is probably the only one past his prime and can likely fetch a good asset.

Honestly I'd rather trade Matheson but that's not happening.

 

[HuGort]

In Verbeek's opinion. Doesn't mean he is right.

I don't know. I know if I had 22 years old 60 point guy wouldn't be moving him. Then again Galchenyuk had good first 3 years, got the big contract that was it