HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[sampollock]

“On this subject, journalist Renaud Lavoie mentioned, in a text about the young man, that Gauthier would have refused to sign with a Canadian team. The Canadian would therefore not have been able to get his hands on him and sign him if he had wanted.

Obviously, it is important to remember that Gauthier was offered to the Canadian during the last draft. Choice #5, which allowed David Reinbacher to be drafted , was requested against Gauthier. The Canadian said no. » - Via DansLesCoulisses

 

[417]

Mantha....please people no. We need to stop with these type of players. He's a middle 6 player. He will just frustrate and it's more of the same.

He can score goals though...I wouldn't trade for him unless the Caps for some reason are interested in taking Armia.

But I'd look into what he might want this summer as a UFA, if he's interested in coming home on a short term "prove it" type of deal.

I'd sign him.

 

[salbutera]

“On this subject, journalist Renaud Lavoie mentioned, in a text about the young man, that Gauthier would have refused to sign with a Canadian team. The Canadian would therefore not have been able to get his hands on him and sign him if he had wanted.

Obviously, it is important to remember that Gauthier was offered to the Canadian during the last draft. Choice #5, which allowed David Reinbacher to be drafted , was requested against Gauthier. The Canadian said no. » - Via DansLesCoulisses

It’s speculation by Re-Nooooo.

Cutters name is William Ruel Gauthier - was given the middle name to honor Claude Ruel who was related to the family in some way. His father a Habs fan is a francophone from Sudbury who was a former Jets pick.

I’ve got no idea who Cutter would & wouldn’t play for but I can also speculate there was a decent chance he would play for Mtl

 

[WeThreeKings]

“On this subject, journalist Renaud Lavoie mentioned, in a text about the young man, that Gauthier would have refused to sign with a Canadian team. The Canadian would therefore not have been able to get his hands on him and sign him if he had wanted.

Obviously, it is important to remember that Gauthier was offered to the Canadian during the last draft. Choice #5, which allowed David Reinbacher to be drafted , was requested against Gauthier. The Canadian said no. » - Via DansLesCoulisses

Yeah, pretty obvious.. there were 22 teams contacted about Gauthier's availability.. subtract the Canadian markets and Philly themselves, you arrive pretty closely to the number.

 

[Miller Time]

He's UFA, so an extended audition till July 1st. I'm just trying to be creative in the ways we can move out longer contracts we don't necessarily need, like Armia or Gallagher. Moving Gallagher is very improbable though.

For Anderson maybe?

At the start of the year, 1:1 for Armia may have been a bit more fitting, but at this point I'd think they'd need to add a sweetner.

with the large cap increase, and the effective bottom 6 role he's been playing, Armia on the roster next year isn't an issue imo. We'll have more cap space than we can likely use this summer.

For Anderson? That's a tough one. As underwhelming as he's been, he's appreciated in the room and there aren't really any decent middle 6 upgrades available on the UFA market that wont cost a similar cap/term commitment. I think we're just as well to give it another year with him to see if he can figure out how to stretch his play from the past month over a larger chunk of a season.

Maybe something like Mantha + '25 2nd for Armia + Ylonen could work

 

[Miller Time]

He can score goals though...I wouldn't trade for him unless the Caps for some reason are interested in taking Armia.

But I'd look into what he might want this summer as a UFA, if he's interested in coming home on a short term "prove it" type of deal.

I'd sign him.

I'd be shocked if that's a guy they offered a UFA deal to, even on a 1-yr "prove it" deal unless it's mid-august and they have whiffed on all their other trade/UFA attempts.

Marchessault, Toffoli, Tarasenko, Teuravainen, Duchene, Henrique are all more likely candidates for the Habs to pursue as short term middle 6 UFA signings imo

 

[417]

I'd be shocked if that's a guy they offered a UFA deal to, even on a 1-yr "prove it" deal unless it's mid-august and they have whiffed on all their other trade/UFA attempts.

Marchessault, Toffoli, Tarasenko, Teuravainen, Duchene, Henrique are all more likely candidates for the Habs to pursue as short term middle 6 UFA signings imo

You're probably right...I've kind of always liked Mantha though I understand the shine has worn off in recent years. He still has an ability to score goals though and perhaps a return back home could reinvigorate him but again, you're probably right.

 

[teamfirst]

This kind of thinking is why we can't have nice things



Interesting. Why is that?

Interesting. Why is that?

 

[hvac412]

Nahhh he didn't get pummeled Sabourin did lend a couple but nothing serious.

Not from what i saw, he got punched square in the face at least three times.

 

[Runner77]

“On this subject, journalist Renaud Lavoie mentioned, in a text about the young man, that Gauthier would have refused to sign with a Canadian team. The Canadian would therefore not have been able to get his hands on him and sign him if he had wanted.

Obviously, it is important to remember that Gauthier was offered to the Canadian during the last draft. Choice #5, which allowed David Reinbacher to be drafted , was requested against Gauthier. The Canadian said no. » - Via DansLesCoulisses

Who is this unnamed Canadian who appears to constantly make our collective sports fandom needlessly burdensome? Has he ever been identified?

 

[salbutera]

A Zegras acquisiton needs to be a surgical strike vs opening up the vault to acquire

Would be preferable if Zegras pulls a Adam Fox in some manner limiting options to play for MSL…

 

[Mrb1p]

Zegras is simply not a Pat “little ball of hate” Verbeek type intense player - old school vs new school personality clash.

Leo Carlsson is intense, Cutter Gauthier is intense, Zegras is “showtime”. Reminds me of Subban’s personality clash w MB

Zegras needs a millennial hockey whisperer like MSL - who BTW coached him at MidFairfield

Subbans personality crash with MB was because MB was dumb as rocks, it's nowhere near the same. Subban was one of the most intense player in the league and one of the hardest workers.

 

[salbutera]

Subbans personality crash with MB was because MB was dumb as rocks, it's nowhere near the same. Subban was one of the most intense player in the league and one of the hardest workers.

Of course it was, “triple low five” NBA type “showtime” persona at a time when NHL was completely old school, YouTube challenges, going it alone for charity vs being a Mtl
Canadiens org team player..

MB words “I want players who hate to lose and can’t sleep at night after a loss”

Subban’s words “I want to win but when the game is over I’m not going to be upset”

 

[Mrb1p]

Of course it was, “triple low five” NBA type “showtime” persona at a time when NHL was completely old school, YouTube challenges, going it alone for charity vs being a Mtl
Canadiens org team player..

Yes, thats Bergevin being dumb as rocks, and maybe even jealous.

Zegras has actual problems while on the ice, not just made up boomer non-sense.

 

[salbutera]

Yes, thats Bergevin being dumb as rocks, and maybe even jealous.

Zegras has actual problems while on the ice, not just made up boomer non-sense.

My son plays MidFairfield, Zegras father runs hockey ops, MSL coached here and coached Trevor yet had no issues with his game on the ice whatsoever - It was MSL who in fact encouraged Trevor to be as creative as he could be on the ice

It’s well known in these parts Zegras is part of the “bling generation” as the coaches call them

 

[HomaridII]

 

[JoelWarlord]

I don't think there's anything particularly "wrong" with Zegras in terms of some nefarious hidden locker room cancer or whatever, he's just not THAT good. The talent is there but as an NHLer his overall game is just not that special, he's a useful top 6 forward right now but not currently on track to be a true franchise/core guy. The Ducks are cagey about paying him as a key player and they think they're better off with their 2 big horses down the middle in Carlsson and McTavish. Zegras is going to want to get paid like a C and the Ducks don't think he's going to be a C for them, and they might be concerned that he's already fairly close to his ceiling rather than seeing the 61/65pt seasons being signs of a future 90+ point dynamic offensive talent. It makes a lot of sense for them to want to trade him based on who he is on the ice, particularly if they see him as a winger and just traded for Gauthier who probably plays on the wing as well. He's a player that likely has more trade value than on-ice value for the Ducks in the eyes of their FO, I don't think there's anything more to it than that.

I'm not a huge Zegras fan, but I'm not against trading for him in principle as there's a pretty natural fit on the wing with Dach, and he'd be a great addition to our PP in the short and long term. My issue with it is it just that I don't see a fit. We're not trading Guhle, Hutson, or Reinbacher for him, and they're not taking a package of Xhekaj/Harris/Barron and magic beans for him. We don't currently have a piece to trade that's valuable enough to the Ducks but expendable to us.

 

[salbutera]

I don't think there's anything particularly "wrong" with Zegras in terms of some nefarious hidden locker room cancer or whatever, he's just not THAT good. The talent is there but as an NHLer his overall game is just not that special, he's a useful top 6 forward right now but not currently on track to be a true franchise/core guy. The Ducks are cagey about paying him as a key player and they think they're better off with their 2 big horses down the middle in Carlsson and McTavish. Zegras is going to want to get paid like a C and the Ducks don't think he's going to be a C for them, and they might be concerned that he's already fairly close to his ceiling rather than seeing the 61/65pt seasons being signs of a future 90+ point dynamic offensive talent. It makes a lot of sense for them to want to trade him based on who he is on the ice, particularly if they see him as a winger and just traded for Gauthier who probably plays on the wing as well. He's a player that likely has more trade value than on-ice value for the Ducks in the eyes of their FO, I don't think there's anything more to it than that.

I'm not a huge Zegras fan, but I'm not against trading for him in principle as there's a pretty natural fit on the wing with Dach, and he'd be a great addition to our PP in the short and long term. My issue with it is it just that I don't see a fit. We're not trading Guhle, Hutson, or Reinbacher for him, and they're not taking a package of Xhekaj/Harris/Barron and magic beans for him. We don't currently have a piece to trade that's valuable enough to the Ducks but expendable to us.

Very well stated

 

[Kiss Under the Guy]

A Zegras acquisiton needs to be a surgical strike vs opening up the vault to acquire

Would be preferable if Zegras pulls a Adam Fox in some manner limiting options to play for MSL…

Why not Bedard pulling a Adam Fox to play with MSL instead?

 

[Miller Time]

Interesting. Why is that?

Because Caufield is one of the best U25 goal scorers in the league, despite playing on one of the weakest offensive lineups in the league, and showed himself to be a strong NHL playoff performer in his rookie year

If that's "not very good"

 

[morhilane]

Look who got out of his hole pretending he has sources...

 

[Deebs]

Look who got out of his hole pretending he has sources...

Who is he/she?

 

[salbutera]

Why not Bedard pulling an Adam Fox to play with MSL instead?

Because it’s just not part of the way Hockey Canada has established “Canadian culture”..

 

[morhilane]

Who is he/she?

"Maxim Guérin", the twitter poster. He doesn't have any sources. It's all just speculation.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

There are days where I'm legit pissed that I never went through with my idea of starting my own dumb hockey insider rumor site in the late 2000's. Seems like the easiest money in the world.