HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[SwiftyHab]

Why the **** are we even talking about Dubois again? This guy is like herpes.

My PLD is flaring up right now

 

[Habricot]

That's now how I took was what reported at all. The "a team of his choice" was for a none-contender. In other words, if no contenders match Hughes's price, Monahan gets to pick the none-contender (who also made an offer) where he goes.

And since I doubt Dreger spoke directly to Monahan or Hughes about it, it's probably all BS anyway.

Yes you wonder why this info would have been leaked if true...it would just lower his value!

 

[Habricot]

I'll be ok with a second. Currently we only have Colorado's which is a really late 2nd.

2024 & 2025 2nd round picks.

There is absolutly no point in trading him for a second ... who will play center... Suzuki, Evens and Stephen. Who will be the fourth center?

You only trade him if the return makes sense!! We dont need to stock pile second picks anymore... we need to move the needle with quality players...now

Monahan + Matheson for MGroarty+ would move the needle but two separate trades would not...

 

[Habricot]

Dubois struggled his first half season in Winnipeg also. He's a lot better than this.

I would offer rights to Dvorak instead of Evans though.

No freaken way we start another 300 page thread that will go nowhere.

 

[Deus ex machina]

Yes you wonder why this info would have been leaked if true...it would just lower his value!

I don't think that lowers his value.
They seem to want to trade him sooner rather than later for some reason. Maybe it's at Monahan's request. Maybe to help the tank.
Broadcasting his availability just ensures that all interested teams take part in the bidding.

 

[Rapala]

In return, the LA Kings are looking at a trio of players from the Canadiens – goalie Jake Allen, forward Jake Evans, and defenseman Jordan Harris. The interesting twist here is the retention of 50% of Allen’s salary cap, a strategic move that could benefit the Kings significantly.

My opinion? Let's freaking go! He may be lazy but he's still talented and a big body on the first two lines. And we have nobody else. But I want some of his salary retained.

Yup they have to retain enough to drop him to or below Suzuki levels.
People would trip if it ended up being Caufield and Jake Allen.

 

[Rapala]

My PLD is flaring up right now

Post Leg Detachment?

 

[blueberry]

Please not Dubois. The guy's a dick. He's not that great and he's a prima donna and a problem and hurts us like tavares for the leafs. Big mistake if we do.

 

[morhilane]

I don't think that lowers his value.
They seem to want to trade him sooner rather than later for some reason. Maybe it's at Monahan's request. Maybe to help the tank.
Broadcasting his availability just ensures that all interested teams take part in the bidding.

The idea that Monahan is being traded sooner than later showed up after Hughes's interview at L'Antichambre. It's probably mostly speculation based on Hughes saying something like the market looked very good to trade Monahan.

Hughes is going to wait until he has what he wants for Mony.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

Post Leg Detachment?

No Point-Less Discussion.

 

[xposbrad]

Please not Dubois. The guy's a dick. He's not that great and he's a prima donna and a problem and hurts us like tavares for the leafs. Big mistake if we do.

Definitely no PLD at 8.5m cap hit. If LAK retains like 20% then maybe, but I don't see why they would instead of just holding onto him. We aren't winning jack sht if that's the guy we splurge on. We need to target a real elite player, we have enough supporting cast on the team and in the minors.

 

[DAChampion]

How much would LA need to retain on PLD for it to be worth it for the Habs to acquire him for future considerations?

 

[Scriptor]

Savard is not getting traded this season. The RDs are not developed to the point they don't need his babysitting anymore and the Habs have zero NHL depth at the position.

Matheson is the one who is expendable and LD is where the team needs to open spots for the young players. But that's probably an off-season trade with his term.

Yes. Greater ease and return trading Matheson in the offseason...

 

[MarkovsKnee]

There is absolutly no point in trading him for a second ... who will play center... Suzuki, Evens and Stephen. Who will be the fourth center?

You only trade him if the return makes sense!! We dont need to stock pile second picks anymore... we need to move the needle with quality players...now

Monahan + Matheson for MGroarty+ would move the needle but two separate trades would not...

It doesn't matter we're still tanking. We can call up Condotta to be 4th line center for all I care. Or, if we trade with Winnipeg grab Kupari. He doesn't seem to be able to make that lineup.

 

[Habricot]

It doesn't matter we're still tanking. We can call up Condotta to be 4th line center for all I care. Or, if we trade with Winnipeg grab Kupari. He doesn't seem to be able to make that lineup.

Progression of the young players in the team matters just as much as acquiring good assets. You dont progress in a loosing environment. Look at Ottawa. The lack of culture and quality vets earlyer on is affecting them big time now!

 

[Scriptor]

Exactly…….I’d even retain salary…..I’m convinced we’d get 2 seconds for him.

He’s a cup winner that plays a smart game and can bust the move when need be.

I dont know about two 2nd round picks, but a 2nd this year and a 3rd next year, sure. Definitely not a 1st rounder, like some are delusional about getting for Savard next year, if we keep him at this trade deadline.

 

[Scriptor]

Would love to trade Matheson im sure some GM would bite on a good return bcuz of hes offense but hes a mess defensively and we have tons of LD’s waiting but unfortunately i dont see it happening atleast not this season

Matheson is a mess defensively because of the minutes he is playing. He was good, defensively, and still productive, offensively, to end last season after returning from his injury.

 

[Scriptor]

He's slow, poor defensively, and below average at 5v5. He's a PP and faceoff specialist at this stage of his career. Maybe a conditional 1st if the team he gets traded to makes the conference finals, but there's essentially no chance he gets a 1st on his own.

Disagree. What the veteran brings as skilled depth and injury insurance higher up in the lineup for a playoff run at that price (what's left of 2 M in salary at the trade deadline) is easily worth a late first rounder from a contending team looking to cash in on a Stanley Cup run.

 

[Scriptor]

How about something like Monahan and Barron for Lundell and a second (Florida)?

Florida gets immediate help for their 3rd line, and gets a young RHD to cover for the possible lost of Montour in the offseason. We get a struggling but still oozing with potential C, and an extra second.

Value:

Monahan = first
Barron + first = Lundell + second

That's like trading Monahan + Barron for a long term 3rd line C.

Pass.

 

[Deus ex machina]

The idea that Monahan is being traded sooner than later showed up after Hughes's interview at L'Antichambre. It's probably mostly speculation based on Hughes saying something like the market looked very good to trade Monahan.

Hughes is going to wait until he has what he wants for Mony.

Of course Hugues won't trade him just to trade him.

But if Dreger went out with this info, i'm pretty sure it's because someone in the organisation told him to. It's not random.
These guys have reputations to keep. They'd rather be vague (and irritate some people here...lol) than make stuff up.

Maybe MTL just don't want to wait for the Lindholm domino to fall.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Of course Hugues won't trade him just to trade him.

But if Dreger went out with this info, i'm pretty sure it's because someone in the organisation told him to. It's not random.
These guys have reputations to keep. They'd rather be vague (and irritate some people here...lol) than make stuff up.

Maybe MTL just don't want to wait for the Lindholm domino to fall.

Hughes has a target price for Monahan. When someone meets it he will be moved. The talking heads probably believe that an offer or offers are pretty close to what Hughes is looking for..

 

[SwiftyHab]

How much would LA need to retain on PLD for it to be worth it for the Habs to acquire him for future considerations?

considering he's playing on the 4th line in LA, id only want him at the salary of a 4th liner. so they should retain 7 out of $8.5M. Also because PLD hurt us so bad, if he wants us back, he's got to prove it and not expect us to actually pay his remaining salary until we feel we can trust him again with our hearts.

 

[Deus ex machina]

That's like trading Monahan + Barron for a long term 3rd line C.

Pass.

I'm pretty sure Florida passes anyway.
Those two guys are probably each worth a late 1st, at best.
That's what the Habs paid for Newhook, a 3rd line W.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Worth a shot. https://x.com/kevinweekes/status/1746235617829126505?s=46&t=zttr9gnCLJOyXqslYWoHgg

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

How about something like Monahan and Barron for Lundell and a second (Florida)?

Florida gets immediate help for their 3rd line, and gets a young RHD to cover for the possible lost of Montour in the offseason. We get a struggling but still oozing with potential C, and an extra second.

Value:

Monahan = first
Barron + first = Lundell + second

Florida passes.

I'd do it, but they pass.