HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[JRichard]

I’d bet none of the teams on his list were Canadian.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

With the exchange of Gauthier/Drysdale +2 nd, does that give an idea of the value of some of our young defenders? Yes Drysdale is a sixth choice but he is small and is very often injured.

Matheson-Kovacevic
Guhle-Barron
Hutson-Reinvacher
Xhekaj- Mailloux
Struble-Harris
Engstrom-Konyushkov

We won’t keep all these defensemen….Who do We keep/trade?

Kovacevic, Harris, and Savard or Matheson. I wouldn't have traded Mailloux, Reinbacher or Hutson for Gauthier.

 

[sampollock]

Doesn't matter if the player doesn't want to come here.

We don't know that , either way

 

[JRichard]

For all we know there was no trade list from Gauthier. Didnt want to play in Philly. Maybe he wants to play for 1 team only and is willing to finish his ncaa career and then go there.

Habs offer would have had to be Guhle and 2nd, not Mailloux or Reinbacher.

 

[EveryDay]

With the exchange of Gauthier/Drysdale +2 nd, does that give an idea of the value of some of our young defenders? Yes Drysdale is a sixth choice but he is small and is very often injured.

Matheson-Kovacevic
Guhle-Barron
Hutson-Reinvachier
Xhekaj- Mailloux
Struble-Harris
Engstrom-Konyushkov

We won’t keep all these defensemen….Who do We keep/trade?

You made a small mistake, I correct it

 

[Treb]

With the exchange of Gauthier/Drysdale +2 nd, does that give an idea of the value of some of our young defenders? Yes Drysdale is a sixth choice but he is small and is very often injured.

Matheson-Kovacevic
Guhle-Barron
Hutson-Reinvacher
Xhekaj- Mailloux
Struble-Harris
Engstrom-Konyushkov

We won’t keep all these defensemen….Who do We keep/trade?

I don't think we have a D that currently has the value of Drysdale (maybe Reinbacher based on potential+draft pedigree?). To note, that doesn't mean I would trade those Ds for Drysdale.

As far as who we trade, we have the luxury to wait until Reinbacher/Hutson/Engstrom/Konyuskov become NA pros and challenge for a roster spot.

 

[Adam Michaels]

It would fly with me. I want top end talent, not a mid team with a mid top 6 that relies on goaltending and defense. I've already watched that movie and have no interest in seeing the Disney live action remake.

So you'd be okay with the Canadiens drafting Top-10 or higher until 2026? And in 2027, they'd still be Bottom-3 in the league? You don't want results before then?

Because if you're going by the Ducks since 2019 until this year, that is how long Habs will be picking Top-10 and still be at the bottom of the standings.

Sabres rebuild failed due to bad management. Maybe the Ducks' will as well. But surrounding talent properly is how you win cups. We don't have the talent to surround. Progress towards mediocrity will just lead us towards being a perpetual bubble team like Detroit.

Agree about how you surround the players is the key. But at some point, you need to do it. And the Habs have done better than the Ducks have and they're still in a rebuild. That tells me that Habs don't need to be picking high for as long as the Ducks have.

 

[Mrb1p]

I don't think we have a D that currently has the value of Drysdale (maybe Reinbacher based on potential+draft pedigree?). To note, that doesn't mean I would trade those Ds for Drysdale.

As far as who we trade, we have the luxury to wait until Reinbacher/Hutson/Engstrom/Konyuskov become NA pros and challenge for a roster spot.

Guhle is much more valuable than Drysdale and Reinbacher is more too, though I bet some teams value Drysdales readiness over Reinbachers greater upside.

 

[JRichard]

Going to Anaheim has to be a given otherwise the deal would not have been consummated.

They couldnt meet with his agent so i would believe they didnt have a say with going to Anaheim or not.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Philly most definetly asked for Reinbacher. Hughes probably countered with Mailloux and they took the better offer from Anaheim.


Ya he did.

I doubt Drysdale will be better than Mailloux. Mailloux and a 2nd would be at least equal.

 

[sampollock]

Sunny California..hard Life

 

[Treb]

Guhle is much more valuable than Drysdale and Reinbacher is more too, though I bet some teams value Drysdales readiness over Reinbachers greater upside.

I hesitated at including Guhle in the maybe value, but I think he needs to show a bit more offensively.

Would not include him in a trade for Drysdale though.

 

[Milhouse40]

I doubt Drysdale will be better than Mailloux. Mailloux and a 2nd would be at least equal.

Not even close.

One has put 32 points in a NHL season, the other is not even sure or close to make the NHL.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Guhle is much more valuable than Drysdale and Reinbacher is more too, though I bet some teams value Drysdales readiness over Reinbachers greater upside.

Agreed. I doubt the Flyers wanted a prospect since they are in a playoff spot but not comfortable. Guhle would likely be the target and he wouldn't be available.

 

[Nevins]

Kovacevic, Harris, and Savard or Matheson. I wouldn't have traded Mailloux, Reinbacher or Hutson for Gauthier.

Maybe Mailloux

 

[Adam Michaels]

Habs also picked 3rd overall in 2018. Then they traded their best forward for a prospect who became our current best player (Suzuki).

Truth is, Habs picking 3rd overall in 2018 wasn't a result of a rebuild, but a result of a team that sucked that year.

Would you classify that as an ultra successful short-term rebuild (which are considered impossible here)? Given we made the finals in 2021 the team had to have been rebuilt

Or perhaps we have been doing mini rebuilds on the fly for decades, which almost worked one year, but hasn't given us much success otherwise. But that is the price you pay when you are a team like the Habs and consistent losing is not tolerated, that much still hasn't changed.

Rebuilding for 6 years is a long time to rebuild. Picking Top-10 or Top-5 for 3 consecutive drafts to me is enough (in terms of drafting). I think after that, you need to start showing results.

 

[sampollock]

Need a deal to get this board hopping

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Not even close.

One has put 32 points in a NHL season, the other is not even sure or close to make the NHL.

One is small and an absolute glass body. I'd go with Mailloux's potential. Flyers needed a player who is ready for the NHL though.

Need a deal to get this board hopping

I want a 1st round pick so I can cheer for that team to fail.

 

[Habnot]

Gauthier is an interesting prospect but does come with warts.

Some of the details of his actions are putting up a red flag. When a GM Broere - comes out and gives details on how the FLyers were mistreated you have to assume it was pretty bad otherwise GM's are usually mum about the inner workings. Telling the Flyers that he was born to be a Flyer and then refusing to even meet with them is outrageous. Providing a no trade list before you play a single game in NHL stinks of entitlement.

I would also add that the only knock on Gauthier is his Hockey IQ and it is not clear he will play center in the NHL. We all know that character and hockey IQ are at the top of HUGO's evaluation criteria.

 

[Treb]

One is small and an absolute glass body. I'd go with Mailloux's potential. Flyers needed a player who is ready for the NHL though.


I want a 1st round pick so I can cheer for that team to fail.

It's not like Mailloux hasn't had his share of injury woes.

 

[Adam Michaels]

The end result after 5 years is still Zegras, Gauthier, McTavish, Myntyukov and Carlsson. That's just insane. And you still can't compare it to Buffalo who has been doing that since 2013 now....Anaheim has started it in 2019. It's far from it. But they will hvae to show something soon. While Sabres is way overdue.

And in Anaheim, soon, you'll hvae to add Zellwegger, who is just in his 1st year pro. Luneau, Perreault, etc. But yeah, they will have to add vets at one point.

Agreed that adding Zellwegger and Luneau and some other prospects will add to their talents. I said that in a previous post. The next step is to surround all that talent with the right guys. Because they will end up being like the Sabres.

I just can't get on board with the "that's how you rebuild" when referencing Ducks. Because I don't think a team drafting as high as Anaheim has for 5 consecutive drafts and still be a bottom feeder is the way to go.

 

[G0bias]

We would've all been ecstatic if we had come out of last year's draft with a forward of Gauthier's profile and ability at 5th ov.

Reinbacher for him is a no-brainer.

 

[Nevins]

I don't think we have a D that currently has the value of Drysdale (maybe Reinbacher based on potential+draft pedigree?). To note, that doesn't mean I would trade those Ds for Drysdale.

As far as who we trade, we have the luxury to wait until Reinbacher/Hutson/Engstrom/Konyuskov become NA pros and challenge for a roster spot.

On the Anaheim forum, several fans were worried about Drysdale's 5'11'' height and the fact that he was often injured (8 games last year and 10 this year). They claim that some of their prospects can replace him. Not sure they saw him as good as his reputation suggested...and the recurring injuries on a small defenseman

 

[themilosh]

You just know Vancouver drafted Elias Pettersson (imposter) for name value alone.

(original)

 

[Garry Valk]

And so you mean we couldn’t top the Ducks offer ?

Apparently