HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[Habs 4 Life]

Do you tank people ever want to actually win games? It astounds me to see how many supposed fans root for their alleged favorite team to lose every night.

Yes, only against the Leafs, Bruins and other hated teams

Jokes aside, I want them to lose the games they're supposed to lose, like in the pas 3 weeks I feel like the Winnipeg, Dallas and NYR are games that we shouldn't have gotten points in. let's see come season end how it plays out

 

[The Great Weal]

He was asked which teams he would never make a trade with that would help them. He said Boston and Toronto.

When can we say the word playoffs in Montreal:

Next year.

Ya next year isn't happening unless we win Celebrini and all three of Reinbacher/Mailloux/Hutson come and excel.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Ya next year isn't happening unless we win Celebrini and all three of Reinbacher/Mailloux/Hutson come and excel.

Or that Elias Pettersson forces a trade to Montreal!!

 

[HomaridII]

Or that Elias Pettersson forces a trade to Montreal!!

Or we sign Sam Reinhart.

 

[417]

Agreed that adding Zellwegger and Luneau and some other prospects will add to their talents. I said that in a previous post. The next step is to surround all that talent with the right guys. Because they will end up being like the Sabres.

I just can't get on board with the "that's how you rebuild" when referencing Ducks. Because I don't think a team drafting as high as Anaheim has for 5 consecutive drafts and still be a bottom feeder is the way to go.

In the world of prospects, just having prospects that other fanbases lust over is basically enough to be considered a successful rebuild these days.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Or that Elias Pettersson forces a trade to Montreal!!

Or I win a Nobel peace prize for ending the war in Ukraine

 

[Twisted Sinister]

So you'd be okay with the Canadiens drafting Top-10 or higher until 2026? And in 2027, they'd still be Bottom-3 in the league? You don't want results before then?

Because if you're going by the Ducks since 2019 until this year, that is how long Habs will be picking Top-10 and still be at the bottom of the standings.



Agree about how you surround the players is the key. But at some point, you need to do it. And the Habs have done better than the Ducks have and they're still in a rebuild. That tells me that Habs don't need to be picking high for as long as the Ducks have.

I don't think we're in the "start surrounding people" stage yet. They're putting the cart before the horse. I'd be ok to be patient until we have the appropriate talent at every position. I've waited 30 years. I can wait a little longer to build a team with actual talent rather than the half-assed abomination we've been dealing with for 30 years.

 

[417]

But I also don't think that being a mid-team is the way to go either. True that Boston was a team that didn't wait to get top picks to be relevant. But Bruins are not the norm.

The only way you can get on top are with superior picks. Either by playing them. Or by trading their value. So do it the way you can, either by tanking, or by hiring superior scouting team that will find gems later on....I don't care. But you have to do it either way, if not you won't win in a salary cap era.

Getting on top is much more complex than just getting superior picks.

Draft picks/scouting is of course hugely important but it's only one of several variables that are at play, making smart trades, smart signings, coaching, health, luck, etc.

That's why I never get too caught up in focusing on one specific thing, you need it all and there's really no sequential order or established recipe to follow.

Its literally mostly a series of very fortunate events and the best organizations take notice and are able to repeat those patterns.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Or we sign Sam Reinhart.

And trade for Tkachuk?

 

[Whalers Fan]

Or I win a Nobel peace prize for ending the war in Ukraine

I like your chances better than getting EP.

 

[morhilane]

Hughes said he hears all the time habs fan wanting the team to lose but he doesn’t agree. He had many clients who were young clients in that setting and if the team has no desire to win and no goals then the goals become individualistic and that long term is not good for the player.

That pretty much describe Ottawa right now.

And Toronto/Edmonton to some extend as well.

 

[HuGort]

Much like we'll see if Ducks will at some point turn the corner or end up another version of the Sabres, we'll see if the way Habs are doing it will result in them being a bubble team or actually progress into a playoff team and eventually a contender.

However, at this moment, I feel better the way the Habs are doing it than the way the Ducks are. Because Habs have been showing progress even though they are still missing two of their Top-6 players in Dach and Newhook and some of their more top prospects aren't there yet.

I think you need insulate those high picks with character veterans. The 30 somethings who play the game with hard work and smarts. Guys like Allen, Monahan or Savard.

 

[Runner77]

 

[Habricot]

Gauthier would have been a nice addition to our team but not at the price of a Ghule or Reinbacher. We will have our chances for another trade. Maybe at the draft.. but its not impossible to see another high profile prospect not signing with his draft team...

 

[G0bias]

Eh I wouldn't be. I'm not keen on drafting second liners with top 5 picks when we desperately need high end skill.

Gauthier's outshining last year's USNTDP top line at BC despite them having like 3 years playing together.

He's solidly tracking to be a complimentary top line player. I don't think he'll be an option at C at the NHL level, but a top line prospect regardless.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Did anyone watch Our Lord and Savior Kent Hughes on l'antichambre? Did they actually ask him anything of use or was it the usual softballs and Pablum?

 

[Runner77]

Tune in now

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Sadly, the accounts and excerpts I’ve seen on Hughes guesting on AC were nothing more than a smorgasbord of generic answers to softball questions.

Ultimately, the bozo AC hosts were only interested in cementing a friendship, bad suits and all. How happy they all were, kumbaya.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Sadly, the accounts and excerpts I’ve seen on Hughes guesting on AC were nothing more than a smorgasbord of generic answers to softball questions.

Ultimately, the bozo AC hosts were only interested in cementing a friendship, bad suits and all. How happy they all were, kumbaya.

That's what we generally get from Habs-centric media these days

 

[Nicko999]

Gauthier would have been a nice addition to our team but not at the price of a Ghule or Reinbacher. We will have our chances for another trade. Maybe at the draft.. but its not impossible to see another high profile prospect not signing with his draft team...

You need to trade quality to receive quality. I would do Ghule for Gauthier 1 for 1 but Philadelphia would decline. Drysdale is superior to Ghule.

Ghule is becoming a bit overrated in here to be honest. He is a slightly more offensive Romanov. If Romanov got you 13th overall (in a weak draft) then Ghule should get you around 10th in a perceived stronger draft. Maybe 7-8th in a weaker draft.

 

[The Great Weal]

I wouldn't mind adding Morgan Frost. Feels like he'd get a good opportunity here.

 

[pth2]

I wouldn't mind adding Morgan Frost. Feels like he'd get a good opportunity here.

He's at the older end of the rebuild spectrum though, since he's the same age as Suzuki...

Philadelphia's rebuild is hard to get a read on, so it's hard to figure out what they'd want in return.
I'd hope Tortorella would want Josh Anderson back, for a start...

 

[General Fanager]

Allen is an anchor right now for this team. Monty and primeau can easily do the job and better than him. He is expensive end takes a precious roster spot.

If they were a playoff contender then that would matter but it doesnt....

 

[salbutera]

https://x.com/jayonsc/status/1744628609359253883?s=46&t=a3HPp5YfHU2XDo78oSJMFA

Per LeBrun:
- Verbeek tried to trade for another pick at 2022 draft to select Gauthier, Ana’s been after him for a while

 

[therocket9]

Or we sign Sam Reinhart.

No chance Reinhart signs with a non contending team probably signs with his Hometown Canucks.

 

[habsfan891]

Ya next year isn't happening unless we win Celebrini and all three of Reinbacher/Mailloux/Hutson come and excel.

Yep not sure what Hughes sees but if he's honest about not looking for ufas for 2 more seasons we aren't making the playoffs next year