HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #86: 2023-2024 Season

[RationalExpectations]

Rebuilds take actual time. By the end of this draft, the talent they'll have stocked up will be rather impressive. Meanwhile, our talent pool will be the ? in the underpants gnomes equation.

Fully disagreed. If you pick top 10 6 years in a row you are failing somewhere. Good teams need two to three years tanking, not more. Look at BUF or EDM until drafting McDavid. I don t care how impressive ANA is on paper, the game is played on the ice and the fact is that they are icing Terry Zegras McTavish Carlsson along with Vatrano Killorn Henrique who are all considered top 6/top 9 solutions and can t get wins right now.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Fully disagreed. If you pick top 10 6 years in a row you are failing somewhere. Good teams need two to three years tanking, not more. Look at BUF or EDM until drafting McDavid. I don t care how impressive ANA is on paper, the game is played on the ice and the fact is that they are icing Terry Zegras McTavish Carlsson along with Vatrano Killorn Henrique who are all considered top 6/top 9 solutions and can t get wins right now.

Well, that's what surrounding talent is. The problem is we don't have talent yet. Horse first. Then Cart. I think it would have gone a lot more quickly if we hadn't been so stubborn about actually going full rebuild and stopping with the half-ass bullshit.

Instead, we had to have Coach Bombay and his merry band of AHLers skating through a wall for him and relying on goaltending to have us overachieve in a pivotal draft year while they played Won't Back Down in the locker room.

 

[salbutera]

Ya next year isn't happening unless we win Celebrini and all three of Reinbacher/Mailloux/Hutson come and excel.

With Dach in the lineup Habs have 3-5 more points and puts them on the cusp of a wildcard spot

Losing Dach was a HUGE setback for Habs team

 

[salbutera]

Well, that's what surrounding talent is. The problem is we don't have talent yet. Horse first. Then Cart. I think it would have gone a lot more quickly if we hadn't been so stubborn about actually going full rebuild and stopping with the half-ass bullshit.

Instead, we had to have Coach Bombay and his merry band of AHLers skating through a wall for him and relying on goaltending to have us overachieve in a pivotal draft year while they played Won't Back Down in the locker room.

Remember when Briere was going to tear it all down in Philly and rebuild?

 

[Egresch]

It is funny how many Habs fans are complaining about missing on Gauthier trade. They would definitely trade Gauthier (5OA from 2022) for Reinbacher (5OA from 2023). Meanwhile, same people whining that Habs won 1OA in the weakest draft ever and drafted Slafkovsky, a guy with no elite skills.
The same Slaf who was 4 spots above Gauthier

 

[BLONG7]

With Dach in the lineup Habs have 3-5 more points and puts them on the cusp of a wildcard spot

Losing Dach was a HUGE setback for Habs team

So true.............what a huge setback for the team.
We are still a bit of the unknown.

 

[HuGort]

I wouldn't mind adding Morgan Frost. Feels like he'd get a good opportunity here.

I doubt Frost is offensive enough. Habs are a good second line away from being a really good team.

Slaf has given Montreal one of better top lines in hockey. The bottom 6 will be in place once Roy and Beck get here. Montembeault has solidify the goalie position. The young defense is maturing.

Habs need that second line.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Well, that's what surrounding talent is. The problem is we don't have talent yet. Horse first. Then Cart. I think it would have gone a lot more quickly if we hadn't been so stubborn about actually going full rebuild and stopping with the half-ass bullshit.

Instead, we had to have Coach Bombay and his merry band of AHLers skating through a wall for him and relying on goaltending to have us overachieve in a pivotal draft year while they played Won't Back Down in the locker room.

Well Anaheim is failing at that right now because they're once again a bottom feeder for a sixth year in a row.

With Dach in the lineup Habs have 3-5 more points and puts them on the cusp of a wildcard spot

Losing Dach was a HUGE setback for Habs team

Dach and Newhook also. Those are two of your Top-6 players who are out long term and you're still a .500 team on January 9th.

 

[HomaridII]

Well Anaheim is failing at that right now because they're once again a bottom feeder for a sixth year in a row.



Dach and Newhook also. Those are two of your Top-6 players who are out long term and you're still a .500 team on January 9th.

Pretty much. I never thought we would be a .500 team at this point with the injuries and the uncertainty at goaltending. I mean Allen has lost 9 out of 10.

We are on pace for like 80-82 pts, that is very very good.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Pretty much. I never thought we would be a .500 team at this point with the injuries and the uncertainty at goaltending. I mean Allen has lost 9 out of 10.

We are on pace for like 80-82 pts, that is very very good.

People might not be happy to see it, but there is progression.

 

[HomaridII]

People might not be happy to see it, but there is progression.

yes there is.

I know there is a long way to go and it shows specially against teams like the Rangers and the amount of shot opportunities against we give up, but realistically even with the injuries to Dach and Newhook, if Monty had played those 10 games we would be at a 90 pt pace and right in the Wild Card race.

Might not be what some people want to hear, but if we get a pick in the 7-12 range this year, its because of Allen.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I also think the report that Philly offered Montreal Gauthier for their 5th with the intention of taking Reinbacher should make people realize that he is a special player.

Arizona apparently wanted him, but when Reinbacher was off the board, they went with Simashev. And now Philly was willing to trade one of their top prospects for the opportunity to draft Reinbacher.

 

[Habs Icing]

The Habs couldn’t have beat that package? They have defensemen up the wazoo.

Yeah but Hugo lost the map to the wazoo.

 

[Adam Michaels]

yes there is.

I know there is a long way to go and it shows specially against teams like the Rangers and the amount of shot opportunities against we give up, but realistically even with the injuries to Dach and Newhook, if Monty had played those 10 games we would be at a 90 pt pace and right in the Wild Card race.

Might not be what some people want to hear, but if we get a pick in the 7-12 range this year, its because of Allen.

And to me, drafting in the 7-12 range isn't that terrible considering some of the prospects who went in that range. Names like Quinn Hughes, Evan Bouchard, Noah Dobson, Trevor Zegras, Matt Boldy, Cole Perfetti, Seth Jarvis (13th), Brandt Clarke, Dylan Guenther, Pavel Mintyukov, Ryan Leonard, Connor Geekie, Martin Necas, Clayton Keller.

And Habs haven't made off too bad when they picked 15th and 16th in 2019 and 2020, picking Caufield and Guhle, respectively. Two guys who would would go Top-10 in a re-draft.

 

[Habs Icing]

So how does the acquiring team know he will actually sign with them?

They ask to speak to him and/or his agent?

 

[sampollock]

Kent has ice in his veins does not get to worked up..

 

[Adam Michaels]

I don't think we're in the "start surrounding people" stage yet. They're putting the cart before the horse. I'd be ok to be patient until we have the appropriate talent at every position. I've waited 30 years. I can wait a little longer to build a team with actual talent rather than the half-assed abomination we've been dealing with for 30 years.

If you want them to do what the Ducks have done, meaning Habs drafting at the top of the draft until 2027, and after all of that, they're still a bottom feeder, then you're not waiting for a team that will move forward, but left in a cycle.

So you want to trade a 30-year winless cycle for one where all they do every year is pick at the top of the draft yet the team continues to stay at the bottom of the standings annually.

I'd like to stop having to visit NHL Tankathon at some point real soon.

 

[sampollock]

Sadly, the accounts and excerpts I’ve seen on Hughes guesting on AC were nothing more than a smorgasbord of generic answers to softball questions.

Ultimately, the bozo AC hosts were only interested in cementing a friendship, bad suits and all. How happy they all were, kumbaya.

so there was nothing of interest in this I take it.. media!

 

[Andy]

Pretty much. I never thought we would be a .500 team at this point with the injuries and the uncertainty at goaltending. I mean Allen has lost 9 out of 10.

We are on pace for like 80-82 pts, that is very very good.

The forward talent isn't there, but I feel like much of this year's success is owed to the D-core's play at 5-on-5. There aren't any stars, but they play very well for such a young crew of players. Team defense at 5-on-5 has been good too.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Kent has ice in his veins does not get to worked up..

If all PHI was offering was Gauthier for the 5th OA selection, but also wanting to keep their 7th OA pick, then I don't blame Hughes for turning it down.

If it was to swap picks, so MTL gets Gauthier + 7th and PHI gets 5th + maybe another piece, then I would do that deal, depending of course what that other piece is. If it's Hutson, then no.

But reports seem to indicate that PHI simply wanted to add the 5th OA pick to their 7th.

If a swap was part of the deal, then MTL could have left the draft with Gauthier + whoever they took 7th + Newhook. That's more interesting as they leave with 3 pieces. But since PHI had no interest in swapping picks, then you would leave with 2 pieces no matter what, whether it be Gauthier & Newhook or as is the case, Reinbacher and Newhook.

 

[Vachon23]

I also think the report that Philly offered Montreal Gauthier for their 5th with the intention of taking Reinbacher should make people realize that he is a special player.

Arizona apparently wanted him, but when Reinbacher was off the board, they went with Simashev. And now Philly was willing to trade one of their top prospects for the opportunity to draft Reinbacher.

Nashville tried to trade up to get him as well but yes the guy is busy that shouldn’t have been draft at 5…

 

[Whitesnake]

Getting on top is much more complex than just getting superior picks.

Draft picks/scouting is of course hugely important but it's only one of several variables that are at play, making smart trades, smart signings, coaching, health, luck, etc.

That's why I never get too caught up in focusing on one specific thing, you need it all and there's really no sequential order or established recipe to follow.

Its literally mostly a series of very fortunate events and the best organizations take notice and are able to repeat those patterns.

Look at the last cup winners since the salary cap era, and MOST of them have won by tanking or getting top end picks. Others have done it, like Vegas, St.Louis and Boston....but that's not thet majority.

 

[FerrisRox]

Slaf has given Montreal one of better top lines in hockey.

What!?!

You think, right now, Caufield/Suzuki/Slafkovsky is one of the better lines in hockey?

Are you serious?

 

[HomaridII]

What!?!

You think, right now, Caufield/Suzuki/Slafkovsky is one of the better lines in hockey?

Are you serious?

Right now it is one of the top 10 lines in hockey measured by all the advanced stats.

They are around 60% GF which is elite for a line.

 

[JRichard]

Nashville tried to trade up to get him as well but yes the guy is busy that shouldn’t have been draft at 5…

Nsh tried to grab Reinbacher at 5. Philly too? Wasnt even Mtl fanbase shocked when they picked him?

Philly wined and dined Michkov we know that. Reinbacher wasnt on Philly’s radar like at all.