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Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXVI: Sid is Still Goat

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You know what's funny, Grok will let me make an image of Sid crying in clown make up, even Dubas, but the moment I ask it to do it for Mike Sullivan, it refuses to create any image in his likeness. LOL
 
Ulf5 said:
Sure does. Nashville had no retention spots left though. $2.75 million this year and next is a little pricey.
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Nah, the Pens get 2 more slots back next season anyway.

The team has Ufa's in - Beau, Bemstrom, Shea, and Grz. Then the cap is going up and the trades that are likely to happen at the draft and off season to unload players teams will actually want.

Is retaining 50% on 2.75m for a year and a quick fart really going to sink this team? No, Sullivan is already doing that while not being on the cap.

Schenn is a veteran RHD and at 1.375m he's a bargain for a contender to add depth and keep at that price for another season for a lot of these contenders. Dallas would've been a team I think would be curious at that cost, but taking their 3rd and a prospect like Blumel would leave them with no picks in the first 4 rounds, lol.

The moving parts to move EK is an off season situation, moving Raks I don't see happening and they shouldn't retain on Raks anyway. Retention on a short contract like Schenn with the last slot is fine. Especially the kind of player he is and how often teams like loading up on his types for depth.
 
Honour Over Glory said:
Nah, the Pens get 2 more slots back next season anyway.

The team has Ufa's in - Beau, Bemstrom, Shea, and Grz. Then the cap is going up and the trades that are likely to happen at the draft and off season to unload players teams will actually want.

Is retaining 50% on 2.75m for a year and a quick fart really going to sink this team? No, Sullivan is already doing that while not being on the cap.

Schenn is a veteran RHD and at 1.375m he's a bargain for a contender to add depth and keep at that price for another season for a lot of these contenders. Dallas would've been a team I think would be curious at that cost, but taking their 3rd and a prospect like Blumel would leave them with no picks in the first 4 rounds, lol.

The moving parts to move EK is an off season situation, moving Raks I don't see happening and they shouldn't retain on Raks anyway. Retention on a short contract like Schenn with the last slot is fine. Especially the kind of player he is and how often teams like loading up on his types for depth.
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I'm saying Trotz couldn't retain but Dubas can. There's value there. Certainly more than the 4th Dubas gave up.
 
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IMO I would trade Schenn for a 2nd rounder or higher in value, but I wouldn’t flip him if you can’t get that kind of value back. You’re essentially guaranteed to be able to get a 3rd for him next year, so I’d just keep him and trade him next year if they can’t get better than that now.

This team is as soft as baby shit on defense, Schenn does bring some useful abilities in that sense. And it’s not like he’s blocking any young defenseman from playing, in fact he’s probably an ideal partner for Kolyachonok if they’d give him a long look as the 3rd pair LD. Their 2nd and 3rd pairs next year should be Pickering-Letang and Kolyachonok-Schenn.
 
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Thus far in 2025.....

OUT: ($10.225)
Pettersson ($4.025)
O'Connor ($.925)
Puljujarvi ($.775)
Bunting ($4.500)
2026 4th

IN: ($9.275)
Heinen ($2.250)
Fernstrom
2025 1st *
2028 5th
Kolyachonok ($.775)
Novac ($3.500)
Schenn ($2.750)
 
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I’d still be trying very hard to trade Heinen if you could do it. Sullivan clearly doesn’t like him, based on him being immediately demoted to 4th line usage upon arriving, and I think his roster spot needs to either be filled with a young player or an actual proven 3rd liner. I think they should be looking to get a goal scorer with size and grit to play as that 3rd line LW opposite of Tomasino.

In an ideal world, I think they trade all of Acciari, Heinen, Rakell and Beauvillier at forward and have a basis of something like this:

Malkin-Crosby-Rust
XXXX-Novak-XXXX
XXXX-Hayes-Tomasino
Lizotte-Ponomarev-Glass

Fill those middle-6 winger spots however you see fit. I think you leave the young guys in WBS for now, but you could fill two of those spots with McGroarty (3LW) and Koivunen (2RW) for next year.

In addition, I’ve come around to Hayes sticking around as the 3C. Dude moves like a snail but he’s been effective in the role he’s been used in this year. Sell him next year at the deadline but hold onto him until then, unless you can get good value for trading him now.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
I’d still be trying very hard to trade Heinen if you could do it. Sullivan clearly doesn’t like him, based on him being immediately demoted to 4th line usage upon arriving, and I think his roster spot needs to either be filled with a young player or an actual proven 3rd liner. I think they should be looking to get a goal scorer with size and grit to play as that 3rd line LW opposite of Tomasino.

In an ideal world, I think they trade all of Acciari, Heinen, Rakell and Beauvillier at forward and have a basis of something like this:

Malkin-Crosby-Rust
XXXX-Novak-XXXX
XXXX-Hayes-Tomasino
Lizotte-Ponomarev-Glass

Fill those middle-6 winger spots however you see fit. I think you leave the young guys in WBS for now, but you could fill two of those spots with McGroarty (3LW) and Koivunen (2RW) for next year.

In addition, I’ve come around to Hayes sticking around as the 3C. Dude moves like a snail but he’s been effective in the role he’s been used in this year. Sell him next year at the deadline but hold onto him until then, unless you can get good value for trading him now.
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Amazingly Hayes will only be 33 next year... Dude looks rough.

I'd rather start Malkin on his own line do something like

Novak-Sid-Rust
Lizotte - Geno- Tomasino

Then play the 3rd and 4th line like they are both 3rd lines... We don't need a 4th grinding shutdown line as Sullivan doesn't line match, so the home games where we have last change, it's always 3rd and 4th vs 3rd and 4th lines so fill them up with whoever is left and WBS kids and let them play in the role you want them to play.

The main reason the 4th line doesn't get caved in, in goals against is because they are playing against other teams shitty 4th lines the majority of the time. Which makes their offensive output even more pathetic.
 
eXile3 said:
This was my worry. He’s not rebuilding which meant he should have just kept Jake.
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Not sure how one trade invalidates the obvious rebuilding trend this team has done for the last year. Not every single trade a rebuilding team makes will be players for picks and prospects.

In the past year, this team has sold off Pettersson, O'Connor, Guentzel, Smith and Eller for futures and got paid futures to take on Glass and Hayes. And it sounds very likely Karlsson is traded for futures in the off-season and possible Rakell is traded for futures at the deadline or off-season.

Is San Jose not rebuilding because they traded a pick for Desharnais?
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Not sure how one trade invalidates the obvious rebuilding trend this team has done for the last year. Not every single trade a rebuilding team makes will be players for picks and prospects.

In the past year, this team has sold off Pettersson, O'Connor, Guentzel, Smith and Eller for futures and got paid futures to take on Glass and Hayes. And it sounds very likely Karlsson is traded for futures in the off-season and possible Rakell is traded for futures at the deadline or off-season.
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The trade and his words. This is about the third time we’ve heard Dubas say he’s looking to compete sooner than later.

Maybe more moves to come Friday but I think people need to start listening to Dubas when he says he wants to compete while Sid is still here.
 
eXile3 said:
The trade and his words. This is about the third time we’ve heard Dubas say he’s looking to compete sooner than later.

Maybe more moves to come Friday but I think people need to start listening to Dubas when he says he wants to compete while Sid is still here.
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Actions speak louder than words. The actions this team has done in the last calendar year suggests they are rebuilding. A single change of scenery trade doesn't change anything.

I think some fans have a weird expectation for what a "rebuild" looks like. Teams don't just trade all of their NHL players for picks and prospects. Look at San Jose, they've been selling off a ton but they still traded assets for Desharnais, Liljegren and Askarov and signed Toffoli and Wennberg to multi year UFA deals in the past year.
 
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eXile3 said:
The trade and his words. This is about the third time we’ve heard Dubas say he’s looking to compete sooner than later.

Maybe more moves to come Friday but I think people need to start listening to Dubas when he says he wants to compete while Sid is still here.
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Washington retooled quicker by building up the AHL for a very solid foundation, then hit on a couple draft picks, wholesale change of coaches, and then hit it on free agents.

Technically if we are doing that, we are in the building the AHL foundation part of the plan, which for Sid and Geno, is about 2 years too late, but for us, it's better now than later. With minimum 3 1st round picks the next two years, hopefully more through trades, then the 2nd stage is complete.

Old school tear it down to the studs doesn't work anymore, talent is too spread out with so many teams... Chicago is going to lose Bedard if they don't do something to turn it around. They have too many Acciari's, thankfully we only have 1, but it's the original, so that sucks lol.
 
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