Habs really liked Bourgault from what I read.
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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon
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Looks like Allen really doesn't want to end up in Edmonton 
Jaynki
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Jfc if they really make their 1st available this year i hope we give them a sincere call. I could not care less about their prospects, none are of interest imo.
It would be so typical of the Oilers to trade a 1st when they are 2-8-1.
We all talking about Allen but Montembeault might have greater value there?
Montembeault + Monahan VS 1st 24, Ceci(cap dump and we buy him out next summer)?
Doubt its enough.
It would be so typical of the Oilers to trade a 1st when they are 2-8-1.
We all talking about Allen but Montembeault might have greater value there?
Montembeault + Monahan VS 1st 24, Ceci(cap dump and we buy him out next summer)?
Doubt its enough.
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I think Oilers need to add. They're getting two good players and sending back a cap dump as well. That's a gain of three assets for a 1st.
If Edmonton wants to win,
Matheson, Montembeault, Monahan for 1st 2024, 1st 2025, 1st 2026 is about what they'd need to do.
And I'm not sure if Hughes would accept.
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Jaynki
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They are 2-8-1 right now, their 1st RD pick holds the 2nd best odds. It alone is worth a boatload. We aint getting 3x 1st for such a package of mid-player.
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Hughes would be insane not to accept that.....
And how does EDM even fit all those guys thats almost 8mill in cap
That is the time to trade Monahan to a team desperate for depth that feels the pressure.
Value is at as high it has been in the last few years and he could get injured any time.
EDM gets: Monahan, Montembault or Allen (Holland's choice).
MTL gets: 1st 2024 (top 10 protected), 1st 2025 (top 10 protected), Holloway, Campbell (no retention).
Montreal eats the last 4 years of Campbell, which makes it an awesome deal in itself for Edmonton. They also get a (way) better, (way) cheaper goaltender on a (way) shorter deal.
I don't see the Habs winning any time soon. If they do contend and need the cap in years 4 or 5 of Campbell deal, they can always send picks with him to Arizona or something.
Do it, Hughes!
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le_sean
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I wonder if it’s finally the opportunity to get Nick’s brother Ryan. I can’t imagine that the Habs goalies have much more value than that.
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Be complicated because imagine they want those picks protected. Oilers draft 3rd if season ended today
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Both Edmonton and Carolina are looking for goalies. I think it's a race to see who gets Hart first and the loser can talk to Montreal or Detroit for one of their extra goalies.
As much as Nick is made of iron, Ryan is made of paper and had some big injuries already in his young career (he's injured since season start too).
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Which is why I figured they could get him in a trade. I don’t expect to get much for our keepers, they aren’t exactly good except for Monty.
You're looking at a snapshot intime and extrapolating it as the final standings for the regular season when the reason for a trade such as this one is to drastically alter the standings by seasons end.
Your assumption is terribly flawed when analyzing the quality of the cost for EDM.
EDM does not need elite talent (they already have three 100-point forwards), but they desperately need quality depth which they can fit in under the cap ceiling!
Monahan would add the skilled, physical play they need at 2M, either on the wing or at C. It adds a veteran presence with an exemplary attitude that can also take important F/Os, even if playing on the wing.
Montembeault, for a team with the potential to be a high scoring team, can keep you in games long enough for you to take the lead and run away with it. All for a paltry 1M.
At 4.875M, Matheson provides a smooth skating D that can follow the pace set by McDavid and provide offensive support better than 40 points (likely better than 50) with those forwards. Matheson can play both the left and right side.
If Matheson is traded at half the cost (2.4375M), the total cost for the three players traded to EDM would be 5.4375M.
With Ceci coming to Montreal at full cost, Campbell clearing waivers and being sent down to the AHL, EDM would only need to bury another contract in the minors to fit all three players.
3.25M (Ceci) + 1.125M (saved on Campbell) + 1.125M (saved on other buried contract) = 5.5M!
Ceci for two years + holding back 2.4375M for Matheson over three years + Montembeault at only 1M for the remainder of this year and the likelihood he can be re-signed at a reasonable cost would be valuable depth at C/W, LD/RD and G which EDM could realistically fit underthe cap ceiling for a genuine shot at a Cup run.
It adresses all three needs which EDM has in one trade.
It might sound prohibitive to trade three 1st round picks for any team, but the first of those three picks, once the Oilers gain momentum with the new players, will likely be a late first round pick. Keeping all three players in this trade a reasonable prices also doable for the future and the remaining two first round picks should also be late first round picks.
I'd hold back 2.4375M for three years with Matheson and taken two years of Ceci's contract at 3.25M because I don't see Montreal being on the fringe of competing fora Cup over the next three years andin need o Cap space Ceci takes or that the Matheson hold back represents in the timeframe those two contracts, even if we are looking to add impact players.
What Montreal pays easily represents three late 1st round picks, IMO, especially if you are factoring in the Cap facilitation by taking on Ceci's contract and holding back on Matheson's contract for three seasons.
That's 5.6875M Cap help for at least two years. Considering what CAL hadtopay forone year of Monahan at 6.375M,you can consider it worth a late first round pick on its own.
Monahan (1 yr at 2M) + Matheson (3 yrs at 2.4375M) + Montembeault (1yr at 1M, but RFA) is arguably worth the other two 1st round picks.
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Get assets for taking in Campbell.
Trade Campbell and Gallagher for Huberdeau and maybe a sweetener.
Trade Campbell and Gallagher for Huberdeau and maybe a sweetener.
I could see Allen going Edmonton for Campbell. Then Campbell stays in Laval . They need a vet. Maybe add Anderson and get Bourgault as part of the deal? Might have to retain?
Too much cap for Edmonton and not nearly enough return for Montreal. Add at least a 1st from Edmonton.
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