HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Guy Larose]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/edmonton-oilers/latest-news/oilers-interested-in-championship-winning-goalie

 

[sampollock]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/edmonton-oilers/latest-news/oilers-interested-in-championship-winning-goalie

Maybe, just don't think it is JUST a goalie that will make EDM's pain go away

 

[LaP]

Maybe, just don't think it is JUST a goalie that will make EDM's pain go away

There's other holes but if you watch their games their main problem in capital letters is goalies. Just like Stl when they had Allen and switching him for Bennington solved most of their problems.

 

[Runner77]

Huby-do-be-doodoo.



New coach, same issues.

Heck, Gilbert Delorme on 98.5FM called him a fat cat.



Ouch.

 

[morhilane]

Ouch.

What happened?

Did he just signed his contract after seeing the $ sign on it and never asked himself if he was going to like Calgary? Can't just be a coach thing.

 

[tazsub3]

Get assets for taking in Campbell.

Trade Campbell and Gallagher for Huberdeau and maybe a sweetener.

Huberdeau contract is one that destoys a team future .

 

[Sterling Archer]

Huberdeau contract is one that destoys a team future .

Desperate GMs shouldn’t be allowed to make deals by their owners. GM will be long gone while the stench of those contracts lingers for years. Look at Begervin and Treliving now. They can laugh and think how lucky they are they don’t have to worry about their awful signings while the team will suffer for years.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Huby-do-be-doodoo.



New coach, same issues.

Heck, Gilbert Delorme on 98.5FM called him a fat cat.



Ouch.

Gilbert Delorme can barely speak french yuck my ears , this guy is professionally employed?

 

[Takeru]

Desperate GMs shouldn’t be allowed to make deals by their owners. GM will be long gone while the stench of those contracts lingers for years. Look at Begervin and Treliving now. They can laugh and think how lucky they are they don’t have to worry about their awful signings while the team will suffer for years.

Better yet, those GMs should be overseen in the first place and fired before they're able to cripple their team. The trend was there before the horrendous signings were made in both cases.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Better yet, those GMs should be overseen in the first place and fired before they're able to cripple their team. The trend was there before the horrendous signings were made in both cases.

Absolutely. Once you lose your top players like Treliving did, you should be let go at that point for having allowed it to happen. Same for Bergevin after the Rada, Markov, KK etc. fiascos.

 

[vokiel]

Lets get a fat cat!

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

You know things aren't going so well for you when obscur former career depth players are feeling free to cut promos on you.

 

[themilosh]

I'd like to see if we could take a stab at Dylan Holloway (EDM) LW in exchange for something they need right now (take your pick)....

 

[sampollock]

I'd like to see if we could take a stab at Dylan Holloway (EDM) LW in exchange for something they need right now (take your pick)....

He would be a catch for sure

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

He would be a catch for sure

Not sure he would be a catch. He missed games almost every year and has yet to produce in the NHL but he is probably worth acquiring for the right price.

 

[Vachon23]

Desperate GMs shouldn’t be allowed to make deals by their owners. GM will be long gone while the stench of those contracts lingers for years. Look at Begervin and Treliving now. They can laugh and think how lucky they are they don’t have to worry about their awful signings while the team will suffer for years.

We could argue though that some of those decision are being made because the owner actually put pressure on the GM to win

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I'd like to see if we could take a stab at Dylan Holloway (EDM) LW in exchange for something they need right now (take your pick)....

I liked him a lot as a prospect, he's young enough to where he might work as a reclamation project too.

 

[themilosh]

Not sure he would be a catch. He missed games almost every year and has yet to produce in the NHL but he is probably worth acquiring for the right price.

i think this is why such a trade could be made for a reasonable return, EDM is in dire straights, and Holloway means nothing to a GM who will be losing his job if they fail to make the playoffs.

I could see us sending 50%ret Anderson for Holloway + 2nd '24

I liked him a lot as a prospect, he's young enough to where he might work as a reclamation project too.

which seems to be Hugo's MO atm... also adding to that particular draft class and current age of our core.

 

[Takeru]

i think this is why such a trade could be made for a reasonable return, EDM is in dire straights, and Holloway means nothing to a GM who will be losing his job if they fail to make the playoffs.

I could see us sending 50%ret Anderson for Holloway + 2nd '24


which seems to be Hugo's MO atm... also adding to that particular draft class and current age of our core.

No idea if that's enticing to Edmonton, aren't they looking more for goaltending?
Either way, that's a long retention but for dumping Anderson and nabbing a young player + 2nd, I'd take the gamble. Plus last 2nd rounder we got from EDM got us Hutson lol

 

[DAChampion]

LOL not one person on this forum has come up with a Calgary or Edmonton proposal that would make sense.

Here's a "brain teaser" problem: Construct a three-way trade proposal for Edmonton, Calgary, and Montreal that helps each team.

Can you do it?

 

[Runner77]

I liked him a lot as a prospect, he's young enough to where he might work as a reclamation project too.

Would EDM trade him for a return that is concomitant with that of a reclamation project? Why would they give him away like that? They’ll probably demand a price based on upside and projectability and if they do, why would anyone pay that?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I liked him a lot as a prospect, he's young enough to where he might work as a reclamation project too.

So did I. Traded for him in my keeper league but I couldn't protect him and I lost him in the next years waiver draft.

 

[Runner77]

Gilbert Delorme can barely speak french yuck my ears , this guy is professionally employed?

Delorme speaks joual which is considered acceptable in Quebec at large as you well know and even on air. That doesn’t mean he can’t speak French.

Broadcasting has acutely departed from the anal enunciators from the RadCan exploding pizza logo and powder blue jacket days like Lionel Duval, Pierre Houde, etc.

You can get more mileage in my view by calling out his old school observations and archaic generalizations that players from his era tend to favor. He’s no advanced stat guru but he is still very highly respected and unlike many pundits, he’ll call a spade spade and listeners and fans respect him for that.

Delorme won’t stand for players who lack effort and doesn’t care to offend anyone. He sees a problem with Huberdeau’s work ethic and the excuse from last year that it was all due to a hardass coach, no longer washes. He does have good reason to call the guy out in these circumstances.

 

[Jaynki]

Get assets for taking in Campbell.

Trade Campbell and Gallagher for Huberdeau and maybe a sweetener.

Why not simply let other team rot with their own mistake?

Only way that i would accept Campbell would be if he is with Draisaitl or McDavid as part of a broader deal.

I would not take Campbell especially not to flip him back for Huberdeau. Who will take more than 10% of the cap and be unproductive, old and declining and for another 7 years. Thats would kill our rebuild and our momentum.

 

[Jaynki]

You're looking at a snapshot intime and extrapolating it as the final standings for the regular season when the reason for a trade such as this one is to drastically alter the standings by seasons end.

Your assumption is terribly flawed when analyzing the quality of the cost for EDM.

EDM does not need elite talent (they already have three 100-point forwards), but they desperately need quality depth which they can fit in under the cap ceiling!

Monahan would add the skilled, physical play they need at 2M, either on the wing or at C. It adds a veteran presence with an exemplary attitude that can also take important F/Os, even if playing on the wing.

Montembeault, for a team with the potential to be a high scoring team, can keep you in games long enough for you to take the lead and run away with it. All for a paltry 1M.

At 4.875M, Matheson provides a smooth skating D that can follow the pace set by McDavid and provide offensive support better than 40 points (likely better than 50) with those forwards. Matheson can play both the left and right side.

If Matheson is traded at half the cost (2.4375M), the total cost for the three players traded to EDM would be 5.4375M.

With Ceci coming to Montreal at full cost, Campbell clearing waivers and being sent down to the AHL, EDM would only need to bury another contract in the minors to fit all three players.

3.25M (Ceci) + 1.125M (saved on Campbell) + 1.125M (saved on other buried contract) = 5.5M!

Ceci for two years + holding back 2.4375M for Matheson over three years + Montembeault at only 1M for the remainder of this year and the likelihood he can be re-signed at a reasonable cost would be valuable depth at C/W, LD/RD and G which EDM could realistically fit underthe cap ceiling for a genuine shot at a Cup run.

It adresses all three needs which EDM has in one trade.

It might sound prohibitive to trade three 1st round picks for any team, but the first of those three picks, once the Oilers gain momentum with the new players, will likely be a late first round pick. Keeping all three players in this trade a reasonable prices also doable for the future and the remaining two first round picks should also be late first round picks.

I'd hold back 2.4375M for three years with Matheson and taken two years of Ceci's contract at 3.25M because I don't see Montreal being on the fringe of competing fora Cup over the next three years andin need o Cap space Ceci takes or that the Matheson hold back represents in the timeframe those two contracts, even if we are looking to add impact players.

What Montreal pays easily represents three late 1st round picks, IMO, especially if you are factoring in the Cap facilitation by taking on Ceci's contract and holding back on Matheson's contract for three seasons.

That's 5.6875M Cap help for at least two years. Considering what CAL hadtopay forone year of Monahan at 6.375M,you can consider it worth a late first round pick on its own.

Monahan (1 yr at 2M) + Matheson (3 yrs at 2.4375M) + Montembeault (1yr at 1M, but RFA) is arguably worth the other two 1st round picks.

I appreciate the effort. But we are not getting 3x 1st for Monty, Monahan and Matheson, especially their unprotected 1st in 2024.

Its expected that they will not stay 31 in the league. But the record they will need to be in the playoff from now on is ridiculously hard to attain.

Giving a lottery pick like that, wheter its the 2nd best odds or the 12 best odds, for not even a real top goaltender, or a real 1d who will stabilise thing, would be as stupid as drafting holloway above guhle, broberg above caufield, or bourgault above wallstedt.