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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

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morhilane said:
Amusingly, I think there is way more chance that the Habs get paid to take Campbell's awful contract, than Habs trade any none-UFA this season. Kent Hughes has no issue trading the Habs cap space.
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If it makes sense sure. Taking on Campbell is a terrible move and would hinder our future. 3 more years at $5M is ugly for a guy that sees ghosts
 
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morhilane said:
Amusingly, I think there is way more chance that the Habs get paid to take Campbell's awful contract, than Habs trade any none-UFA this season. Kent Hughes has no issue trading the Habs cap space.
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I don't think he'll take back a 4 year contract though. I think 2 years is the max he's willing to take. Ideally just one year.
 
morhilane said:
The real problem with Edmonton is that they will want to dump Campbell back without paying for it. His contract is worth 1st++ to absorb without sending equal money back.

Habs can absorb Campbell, but that's another $5m+ deadweight contract on the roster, so meh.
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Thats an issue Edmonton will have to deal with. No team in the league will take on Campbell without a real sweetener to do so. Its a terrible contract. The fact Ottawa couldnt move Joseph without paying up shows how unlikely teams are to take on cap dump with term.
 
Captain Mountain said:
That premise makes no sense. He liked it in Montreal, but wouldn't like it any other Canadian market + Arizona? Because he gets to be a "mentor"?

Inferring that because a lot of players will put Canadian teams and Arizona on NTC lists means that a 7 team NTC on a Canadian team means its 6 Canadian teams + Arizona is one hell of a leap.
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It makes no sense that a guy gets traded somewhere and wants to stay? Like he has a family with young kids, it makes no sense that he’d want consistency in their lives? No sense at all?

Yeah I can read between the lines with the NTC. Lots of players have a 7 team NTC. Do you think it’s just some random number or the fact that there’s 7 Canadian teams?

But put all of that aside for a second. How does a trade with Edmonton make sense from a cap perspective? They have zero room. How are they going to fit a near $4m a year keeper? Hughes isn’t stupid enough to take back Jack Campbell. Edmonton won’t trade Stuart Skinner, who is only 25, was their playoff starter last season, and was far better than Allen last year. Habs aren’t using another retention spot on a player with multiple years left. So what exactly makes sense?
 
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morhilane said:
Amusingly, I think there is way more chance that the Habs get paid to take Campbell's awful contract, than Habs trade any none-UFA this season. Kent Hughes has no issue trading the Habs cap space.
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I doubt we will go for someone with that much terms.

Taking a cap dump with one yaer is one thing, one with 3-4 years left is another.
DAChampion said:
Anybody know if these guys are credible?
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They are not
 
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Calgary traded a 1st to get rid of 1 year of Monahan's cap. Campbell would command a lot more than that. We're talking 1sts and top end prospects IMO for a GM to even consider it.
 
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Deus ex machina said:
I think that it's Campbell that has to go, probably to the minors because he's basically untradable.
They need 2 decent goalies.

To EDM:
Jake Allen (50% retained)
Justin Barron
Michael Pezzetta

To MTL:
Cody Ceci
Dylan Holloway
Olivier Rodrigue
2024 1st (top 10 protected)

It's basically Allen for Holloway, who lost a lot of value since being drafted. He's a nice reclamation project for MSL.
The Habs have to take a cap dump in Ceci to make it work.
Barron replaces Ceci in their line-up.
Their 2024 1st has a good probability of being in the 17-20 range now. I think Barron + taking on Ceci is fair value for it.
EDM clear about 1.5M in the process. That cap space will become very valuable come deadline time.
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No, not really much in it. Holloway is bottom 6, Ceci is cap dump, the first is protected. This not a deep draft.
 
le_sean said:
It makes no sense that a guy gets traded somewhere and wants to stay? Like he has a family with young kids, it makes no sense that he’d want consistency in their lives? No sense at all?

Yeah I can read between the lines with the NTC. Lots of players have a 7 team NTC. Do you think it’s just some random number or the fact that there’s 7 Canadian teams?

But put all of that aside for a second. How does a trade with Edmonton make sense from a cap perspective? They have zero room. How are they going to fit a near $4m a year keeper? Hughes isn’t stupid enough to take back Jack Campbell. Edmonton won’t trade Stuart Skinner, who is only 25, was their playoff starter last season, and was far better than Allen last year. Habs aren’t using another retention spot on a player with multiple years left. So what exactly makes sense?
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That part makes sense, its that it doesn't make any sense when coupled with your inference on what a 7 team NTC list means.

Here's a list of NTCs and NMCs in the NHL:

www.thefourthperiod.com

No-Trade/No-Move Clauses — The Fourth Period

Full list of players with a NTC or a NMC for the 2024-25 NHL season.
www.thefourthperiod.com www.thefourthperiod.com

Of the over than 100 modified NTCs in the NHL, six are 7 team NTC lists. I'm not sure what lots means in the context you're using it, but its not a common number at all in modified NTCs.

I wasn't commenting on a trade proposal, but yes, an Allen trade to Edmonton would necessitate Montreal taking back Campbell, and I doubt that a cost could be agreed upon.
 
Deus ex machina said:
I think that it's Campbell that has to go, probably to the minors because he's basically untradable.
They need 2 decent goalies.

To EDM:
Jake Allen (50% retained)
Justin Barron
Michael Pezzetta

To MTL:
Cody Ceci
Dylan Holloway
Olivier Rodrigue
2024 1st (top 10 protected)

It's basically Allen for Holloway, who lost a lot of value since being drafted. He's a nice reclamation project for MSL.
The Habs have to take a cap dump in Ceci to make it work.
Barron replaces Ceci in their line-up.
Their 2024 1st has a good probability of being in the 17-20 range now. I think Barron + taking on Ceci is fair value for it.
EDM clear about 1.5M in the process. That cap space will become very valuable come deadline time.
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Why in hell would we do that?

In my book Barron is as good a prospect as Holloway if not slightly better. Ceci is awful and is paid a good 500 000 too much. Rodrigue is a nothing burger suspect at this point. To even consider this you have to change Barron by Kova from the offer and probably make the pick top 3 protected instead of top 10.
 
bcv said:
Price can be put on LTIR, Campbell can't. It would need to be a lot more than just a 1st (presumably a late one) for it to be worth it.
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Can they dump enough contracts after the season to make up for Campbell's and keep Price off LTIR in the off season.
 
DAChampion said:
Anybody know if these guys are credible?
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Hope not... Dumping Armia, a 2nd & a 3rd is not worth taking on Campbell's contract, let alone adding Monty.

I'd imagine that's Edm's offer but would hope KH is asking foruch much more.

If we were willing to do that, you'd think Holland would've agreed on the spot & the deal would be done already. Terrible for us
 
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Miller Time said:
Hope not... Dumping Armia, a 2nd & a 3rd is not worth taking on Campbell's contract, let alone adding Monty.

I'd imagine that's Edm's offer but would hope KH is asking foruch much more.

If we were willing to do that, you'd think Holland would've agreed on the spot & the deal would be done already. Terrible for us
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Holland would have done it and laughed all the way home. It would need 2 1st's and Holloway - 1 1st in 2025 and a choice of one in 2026, 27 or 28.
 
Deus ex machina said:
Look at the numbers this year.
Skinner is 71st in the league for Goals Saved Above Expected. Campbell is 63rd.
Allen is 12th.

EDM need help NOW to save their season.
They can't just wait and hope their goalies turn it around.
They can't waste another of their top player's prime years.
McDavid is losing patience and looks exasperated by their goalies' performances.

Where will they find a top #1 at this time?
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There is only 10 games played, the past season Allen wasn’t better than those guys. They need to wait for a real #1 Goalie or someone that can be at least a 1b not a goalie. Allen can’t do that and won’t change anything for EDM
 
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