HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Habbietat]

Monahan if he plays straight to the deadline will no doubt get a 1st, he puts up like ,8 ppg, great decision making, respected. GM would gladly pay a late first for this player or a A-, B+ prospect

 

[le_sean]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Habs got a 1st for Monahan. If they retain 50%, his cap hit would be just under $1m. He’ll likely be around 55% on faceoffs and 0.5 PPG. I think a playoff team would love that type of depth.

 

[ReHabs]

Taking a moral stance against Russians in Montreal might have actually been Hughes biggest blunder

Aside from the occasional French guy on a retirement tour of the league, Russians are some of the only players in the world who actually want to play in Montreal over other cities.

Hughes did no such thing. He drafted two Russians last draft. There is no moral stance against Russians -- only racism and discrimination would cause someone to preclude some young athlete simply because of where he was born or where his parents were born. It was mostly coming from amateurs and commentators in any case. But since these same voices cannot or will not push the same discriminatory practices against the current aggressor in the current event, I think we won't see much more of this sort of discrimination happen going forward.

 

[sampollock]

SO glad I did not get the nhl package this year. feel bad for the Habs, it will be a very long year.
Kent needs more deals for prospects. having 100 draft picks is great, but this team is so far away with all those picks

 

[bcv]

Taking a moral stance against Russians in Montreal might have actually been Hughes biggest blunder

Aside from the occasional French guy on a retirement tour of the league, Russians are some of the only players in the world who actually want to play in Montreal over other cities.

What are you talking about? He traded for Dadonov and Gurianov and the team drafted 2 russians last draft.

 

[sampollock]

What are you talking about? He traded for Dadonov and Gurianov and the team drafted 2 russians last draft.

yup

he even drafted a couple

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

What are you talking about? He traded for Dadonov and Gurianov and the team drafted 2 russians last draft.

Drafting a couple mid-late round guys who are signed for 3 more years in Russia doesn't show me much. There is a lot less to lose when you make late picks. They are scared of the perceived risk-reward with Russians.

It is not about a flat refusal, obviously they would take Panarin for free if offered, but we are the only team in the league without a Russian player in the NHL or AHL.

Clearly they are too scared to commit premium assets to players coming from Russia, and it seems like they don't want them in the room with the young guys from North America. Feels like an old school mentality preaching "cohesiveness" that is rooted in xenophobia.

After the report last summer about how the Habs won't be taking any Russians in the draft, Hughes called the report BS and then traded away Romanov and proceeded to draft 0 Russians.

Dadonov trade was a summertime necessity to clear Weber's salary, and the Gurianov trade was 1 in 1 out, and then he wasn't even given a qualifying offer.

 

[Mrb1p]

I wonder if the Bruins would trade Swayman to us for Monahan and a D.

Monahan and Matheson would give them depth at position they are weak at. We get the future starter. Jordan Harris is a hometown talent and fits in well in their roster too, not sure hes worth much though.

Of course moneywise its not that simple.

 

[salbutera]

Drafting a couple mid-late round guys who are signed for 3 more years in Russia doesn't show me much. There is a lot less to lose when you make late picks. They are scared of the perceived risk-reward with Russians.

It is not about a flat refusal, obviously they would take Panarin for free if offered, but we are the only team in the league without a Russian player in the NHL or AHL.

Clearly they are too scared to commit premium assets to players coming from Russia, and it seems like they don't want them in the room with the young guys from North America. Feels like an old school mentality preaching "cohesiveness" that is rooted in xenophobia.

After the report last summer about how the Habs won't be taking any Russians in the draft, Hughes called the report BS and then traded away Romanov and proceeded to draft 0 Russians.

Dadonov trade was a summertime necessity to clear Weber's salary, and the Gurianov trade was 1 in 1 out, and then he wasn't even given a qualifying offer.

So who are all these Russian players lining up dying to play in Mtl? Yes, Markov & Kovalev - former was comfortable here but he was an anomaly, latter bolted once another team offered more $ (Sens).

Radulov only signed because no one else would guarantee him a contract (Wings were the only other team to explore a contract), and once he got the chance at UFA he took Stars identical offer (higher take home $)

If McGuire & Gord Miller are to be believed, Panarin was given a larger offer than NYR but would even meet w Habs.

 

[calder candidate]

If you're going to market to buy a horse, and the only thing left is a 3-legged pony, you keep your money and you go home.
You don't pay the full market price for a horse unless you get an actual horse.
If that's all that is available, then your competitors aren't getting much better if you pass and they bite, anyways.

I don't disagree with the possibility of adding conditions based on games played, but that sort of seals the deal that we won't, in fact, get a 1st for him.

List the center that will likely be available at the TDL, see how many are better than Monahan or equal + cheaper to acquire and how many teams could afford them.
If he 100% healthy I don’t see how we could get less than 1st+… there will be 16 teams kicking the tire on Monahan sure there will be some that won’t go far past the kicking stage but there will be 2-3 team where that will be there #1 options and a legit upgrade over their current lineup and letting him go to a other team will hurt their chances.

 

[salbutera]

If you're going to market to buy a horse, and the only thing left is a 3-legged pony, you keep your money and you go home.
You don't pay the full market price for a horse unless you get an actual horse.
If that's all that is available, then your competitors aren't getting much better if you pass and they bite, anyways.

I don't disagree with the possibility of adding conditions based on games played, but that sort of seals the deal that we won't, in fact, get a 1st for him.

If you’re expected by your boss to be a contender and refuse to go to market for a need despite it being a 3-legged horse, when you get back you’re boss (owner) will cut off your balls & kick u out the door from workplace

GMs time & again will pay whatever the asking price is when they know their job is on the line.

Now…Not sure which team desperately needs a C, and which of those teams GMs is on the hot seat…

 

[Runner77]

Monahan healthy is not a 3 legged pony i mean like do you watch the games? He's a horse with a recurring problem to one leg. If that's your only option at the deadline and he is healthy you take a gamble and make your pick conditional. If Monahan is healthy at the deadline and KH is willing to trade him he'll have no trouble finding a taker. You can get a conditional first for a healthy Monahan no trouble imo.

Big if, for Monahan to be healthy at the deadline. Guy’s being held together by duct tape and hope. Wouldn’t want to bet on Monahan after last season.

 

[Runner77]

SO glad I did not get the nhl package this year. feel bad for the Habs, it will be a very long year.
Kent needs more deals for prospects. having 100 draft picks is great, but this team is so far away with all those picks

I’d take only one third of those picks if we could have a top scouting staff making recommendations instead of having to deal with snake oil.

 

[calder candidate]

I don't think you want to know what happens to horses with leg problems preventing them to do their job...

Jokes aside, I do like what Monahan is bringing to the Habs, and he is a good player when healthy.

Just take into consideration that the entire league knows we were PAID to take him on, so trying to sell him for the big bucks will be considered quite greedy by the other GMs. I don't think any GM wants to add "paid a 1st for a player that needed a 1st to be dumped" to their career log, especially if that player could realistically flop were he to get injured. It's irrational but very, very real.

What we got paid to take is cap hit last year it is irrelevant to is value this year…
We got paid because CGY and most of the league taught that is career was over…
Fact he proved that when he is healthy he is still a very effective and versatile player is changing is value, now he just need to stay healthy. Foligno who was bang up going into the TDL a few year back was trade for a 1st + and he was a grinder… lot of contending team are top heavy, Monahan look really good and is a significant upgrade a few of these lineup… Any player can get injured at any time, the possibility of injury isn’t a significant factor if he is a 100% healthy but the biggest factor is that there won’t be very many better options.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Let's say we end up 8-10 this year. What would you package with that pick to move up to the top 5 and select Mack, Eiserman, Catton or Demidov?

Would you do Hutson + 10?

We have depth at D and I hope we can package something there for an elite forward.

No interest in Demidov. He and Khiviraju are out long term after knee surgery. Stay way form potential glass bodies.

 

[yianik]

Pinto has no other option sign or sit out.
Dorion might trade him but he won’t do it unless it a trade that he can’t refuse.

Yes I know it's sit or sign. It's just that usually GMs don't try to be complete jerks about their offers because the player will be so put off they will want out asap.

 

[SlafySZN]

No interest in Demidov. He and Khiviraju are out long term after knee surgery. Stay way form potential glass bodies.

Demidov didn’t get surgery. He’ll be back at the start of december…

 

[ZUKI]

Monahan is making everything look easy, great on faceoff, 5on 5, PK, PP and basically all team can fit him in there cap at the TDL. If he is healthy at the TDL there aren’t that many comparable that will be available he is definitely getting a 1st.

after we received a first round to take him, we should get a first round by trading him at the dead line.

Then we could re-sign him next summer to mentor the young players and trade him again for a first… cool pattern here

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Players who are UFA at the end of this year:

Pearson
Monahan
Montembeault
Wideman

Players who are RFA at the end of this year:

Lindstrom
Ylonen
Barron
Xhekaj

Players who are UFA at the end of next year:

Savard
Evans
Dvorak
Pezzetta
Allen
Armia
Kovacevic

I expect the Habs will look to trade any and all of these guys that they don't plan on re-signing, this year or next year (for the ones that are UFA next year...)

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

"Cycling back to the Canadiens, I’m told the Habs did indeed have a conversation with the Washington Capitals about local boy Anthony Mantha and Montreal forward Joel Armia was part of the discussion, but I am not sure Washington would have been his final landing spot. Those talks have quieted down but could get revisited if the Capitals reengage."

 

[SlafySZN]

"Cycling back to the Canadiens, I’m told the Habs did indeed have a conversation with the Washington Capitals about local boy Anthony Mantha and Montreal forward Joel Armia was part of the discussion, but I am not sure Washington would have been his final landing spot. Those talks have quieted down but could get revisited if the Capitals reengage."

Why would washington do that, though. Armia has still next year of contract.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Why would washington do that, though. Armia has still next year of contract.

Less of a cap hit this year and the cap going up next year?

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Why would washington do that, though. Armia has still next year of contract.

Washington probably want to clear some room on the cap this year to try and improve in hopes of making the playoffs.

Ovechkin only has a couple years left after this and the average age of their core is like 43 years old, so perhaps they are going with the "once you get into the playoffs anything can happen" strategy originated by Bergevin.

 

[Scriptor]

after we received a first round to take him, we should get a first round by trading him at the dead line.

Then we could re-sign him next summer to mentor the young players and trade him again for a first… cool pattern here

Not for Monahan it isn't

 

[Scriptor]

Washington probably want to clear some room on the cap this year to try and improve in hopes of making the playoffs.

Ovechkin only has a couple years left after this and the average age of their core is like 43 years old, so perhaps they are going with the "once you get into the playoffs anything can happen" strategy originated by Bergevin.

Yeah, like Bergevin came up with that? I hope you don't believe that?