HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[26Mats]

Nashville fan here to answer all your Askarov questions! So, Askarov is our top prospect we value him very highly. We will not listen to any offers of quantity over quality so a proposal of:

has many pieces Nashville has those types of prospects already and can easily get more of them without dealing our best prospect.



He is not. We were willing to deal Askarov and our 1st last year to move up to draft Carlsson, Fantilli, Smith or Michkov. If you're not offering an elite center prospect or potential franchise guy like Michkov then we're not interested.

Correct.

I hear you. But there's quality in that proposal. Engstrom and Bogdan have high ceilings. Hab fans don't want to give that much up. But yes, I could see Nashville not being interested. Those prospects may get us Lafreniere, but not Askarov.

 

[Ezpz]

I hear you. But there's quality in that proposal. Engstrom and Bogdan have high ceilings. Hab fans don't want to give that much up. But yes, I could see Nashville not being interested. Those prospects may get us Lafreniere, but not Askarov.

On top of that Nashville have nothing up and coming, Askarov is going to age out before their rebuild is done (it hasn't even started yet). He may just Carey Price them out of being able to actually get talent too.

 

[The Great Weal]

He is not. We were willing to deal Askarov and our 1st last year to move up to draft Carlsson, Fantilli, Smith or Michkov. If you're not offering an elite center prospect or potential franchise guy like Michkov then we're not interested.

So if Askarov+1st isn't enough for Michkov who went 7th OA, what makes you think Askarov alone is worth a center more valuable or on par with Michkov's talent?

 

[Soundgarden]

On top of that Nashville have nothing up and coming, Askarov is going to age out before their rebuild is done (it hasn't even started yet). He may just Carey Price them out of being able to actually get talent too.

Uh what?

So if Askarov+1st isn't enough for Michkov who went 7th OA, what makes you think Askarov alone is worth a center more valuable or on par with Michkov's talent?

That's what we were willing to deal him for.

 

[Ezpz]

Uh what?


That's what we were willing to deal him for.

Your prospect pool is middle of the pack without elite talents. You have no considerable talents upcoming. Is that more clear? You have a lot of prospects at an upside level that every team in the league has. Rebuilds aren't 1-2 year things and management isn't making moves like they're a rebuilding club.

 

[Soundgarden]

Your prospect pool is middle of the pack without elite talents. You have no considerable talents upcoming. Is that more clear? You have a lot of prospects at an upside level that every team in the league has. Rebuilds aren't 1-2 year things and management isn't making moves like they're a rebuilding club.

You must not be familiar with our prospects if you think that. I'd say we've got a top 10 with a few elite prospects (Kemell, Askarov), and a few more high potential prospects(Molendyk, Evangelista)

Our rebuild has already been underway for several years and we have 4 picks in the first two rounds this year and three next year, plus whatever trades we make at the deadline. It's clear you don't really know what you're talking about with our team.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Only if he goes on LTIR. But if we use all the space plus Dach's on something permanent, and Dach returns, what do we do then?

Forfeit, guaranteed to lose and get a pick this franchise sorely needs.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

With the news of Dach’s injury, I would definitely be on the phone with Edmonton. Habs will have a ton of cap space now, and adding assets only makes sense as the rebuild gets pushed back.

My now tweaked offer -

To Edmonton: Samuel Montembeault, Jake Evans.

To Montreal: Oilers 2024 1st round pick, Dylan Holloway, Raphael Lavoie, Jack Campbell.

Edmonton gets out of their cap jam by paying assets to take Campbell, while the Habs add players/prospects for their rebuild.

Holloway joins the club and is given a shot on the top line with Suzuki/Caufield, as he’s played with Caufield in the past and has a nice mix of size/speed and hands. Lavoie goes to the AHL and can be called up as needed.

Lines look like:

Holloway - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Newhook - Anderson
Harvey-Pinard - Monahan - Gallagher
Pearson - ____ - Ylonen

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Kovacevic
Xhekaj - Harris

Allen
Campbell

 

[Sterling Archer]

I wouldn’t touch Campbell for anything less than getting McJesus or Drai back in the deal. 1sts don’t do shit from a top 10 team like Oilers.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I'd rather just take Joseph or eat some other bad contract from one of those teams that's right up against the cap than take on Jack Campbell for three more seasons after this one. Or just trade for Pinto himself if it's feasible.

 

[Garry Valk]

I wonder if the Dach injury opens us up as a Joseph or Garland dump option?

 

[Runner77]

I wonder if the Dach injury opens us up as a Joseph or Garland dump option?

Maybe opens up an earlier trade scenario than might have otherwise happened. Hughes on the prowl but certainly never on panic mode.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I wonder if the Dach injury opens us up as a Joseph or Garland dump option?

Can’t imagine Hughes would take a n more than a year unless it was for a huge premium.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I wonder if the Dach injury opens us up as a Joseph or Garland dump option?

It should, but more Joseph than Garland.

Joseph you'd get paid to take him, while Garland it might be a deal where you could send Armia for him. The real question is how much would you get for Garland if you retained 50%

 

[Deus ex machina]

I'd rather just take Joseph or eat some other bad contract from one of those teams that's right up against the cap than take on Jack Campbell for three more seasons after this one. Or just trade for Pinto himself if it's feasible.

Joseph makes a lot of sense.
Maybe a bit overpaid but if he continues to play the way he's been playing this season, probably not.
Still young enough so the 3 year contract is not so bad.
Decent speed. Decent size. Can play up and down the lineup. Local boy.
The only issue is taking a roster spot next year but if the Habs can get an good asset with him, i'd go for it.

 

[The Great Weal]

I wonder if the Dach injury opens us up as a Joseph or Garland dump option?

Doubt it, Dvorak will be back in a couple of weeks so we will have 13 forwards again. Of course that's assuming we don't have any other long term injuries until then.

 

[the]

Ok…*deep breath* what were the Rangers asking for Lafrenière again?

 

[salbutera]

Cue Lias Andersson call up..

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Who would cry about trading Dach for PLD now?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Who would cry about trading Dach for PLD now?

8 years 8.5 for a player who just did an interview and talked about how content he is.


So, likely still the Habs?

Also, it wasn't Dach vs PLD, it was adding PLD to Dach.

Also, f*** off with PLD

 

[HuGort]

I wonder if the Dach injury opens us up as a Joseph or Garland dump option?

Habs have more caproom now with Dach gone for season. Can use it in some capacity

 

[c3z4r]

How does in-season LTIR work?

Would adding Dach on it mean we'd instantly gain his entire cap-hit as available cap space? Or would it be slowly added over the season, basically as if his contracts gets prorated.

Edit: Looking at capfriendly with Dvorak and Price, I'm guessing it gets prorated throughout the season.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

8 years 8.5 for a player who just did an interview and talked about how content he is.


So, likely still the Habs?

Also, it wasn't Dach vs PLD, it was adding PLD to Dach.

Also, f*** off with PLD

Lol you have to admit PLD would make this team more fun to watch and more competitive this season

And why is 8 years x 8.5 so bad when Caufield and Suzuki signed similar deals but have never put up as good a season as him

With the news of Dach’s injury, I would definitely be on the phone with Edmonton. Habs will have a ton of cap space now, and adding assets only makes sense as the rebuild gets pushed back.

My now tweaked offer -

To Edmonton: Samuel Montembeault, Jake Evans.

To Montreal: Oilers 2024 1st round pick, Dylan Holloway, Raphael Lavoie, Jack Campbell.

Edmonton gets out of their cap jam by paying assets to take Campbell, while the Habs add players/prospects for their rebuild.

Holloway joins the club and is given a shot on the top line with Suzuki/Caufield, as he’s played with Caufield in the past and has a nice mix of size/speed and hands. Lavoie goes to the AHL and can be called up as needed.

Lines look like:

Holloway - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Newhook - Anderson
Harvey-Pinard - Monahan - Gallagher
Pearson - ____ - Ylonen

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Kovacevic
Xhekaj - Harris

Allen
Campbell

Gross I'm not touching Campbell unless Gallagher is going back the other way.

5 mil until 2027 for THEE worst goalie in the league.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Gross I'm not touching Campbell unless Gallagher is going back the other way.

5 mil until 2027 for THEE worst goalie in the league.

That's fair, but Gallagher is really bad. You have to add and that should tell you how much Gallagher is worthless given that you have to ADD in a deal where you receive Campbell.


Also, the one advantage with Campbell is he sucks and plays a very important position to determine whether you're good, or bad.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Campbell + Holloway + 2024 first + 2025 first for Montembeault + Dvorak (full salary)

They get their 1G for cheap + a responsible 3C who could thrive with them.

But man, that Campbell deal would hurt in 2 years.

Campbell has too much term left. This is year 3 of the rebuild and that awful contract would be bleeding into the period we will be competing again.