HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

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That’s a good point. Especially at his price tag. What would you suggest to tweak the deal?
Campbell + Holloway + 2024 first + 2025 first for Montembeault + Dvorak (full salary)

They get their 1G for cheap + a responsible 3C who could thrive with them.

But man, that Campbell deal would hurt in 2 years.
 
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Campbell + Holloway + 2024 first + 2025 first for Montembeault + Dvorak (full salary)

They get their 1G for cheap + a responsible 3C who could thrive with them.

But man, that Campbell deal would hurt in 2 years.

I like the desl, even with 50% retained.

But I don't think the Oilers would give up a lot to make Montembault their number 1. He's totally unproven.

They may be willing to give up a lot to get out of the Campvell contract though.
 
I'd give Newhook + Montembeault for Campbell + EDM 2024 1st rounder + EDM2025 1st rounder + Holloway.

I honestly think Newhook + Montembeault genuinely help EDMin a Cup run than the offer of friggin' Jake Evans with Montembeault.

Newhook has the speed to keep with McDavid, for example, but he can also be a solid third line C with offensive upside, or a solid 2nd line winger.

That's a trade, ultimately, of :

A late 1st round pick + an early 2nd round pick (what we paid for Newhook) + Montembeault

-FOR-

2 late first round picks + Holloway + Campbell (poison pill)

Do that and, with all the draft capital in 2025, imagine what we can land as a young top end talent up front in a trade !?

Campbell has 4 years left at a 5M per year cap hit. 5 years is when I expected to make some serious damage in the first place. Campbell will no longer be an issue at that point.
If your goal is to help the Oilers win, mission accomplished...lol

First, why would the Habs trade back Newhook, just after getting him?

I can see the Oilers being interested in Monty, but why would the Habs trade him?
He's the only goalie they have right now with the potential to be a number one.

I'd take Holloway, but i don't think he has as much value as he once did.
Given the Oilers' situation in net, i think Holloway and Monty have about the same value at this point.

So, in your proposal, the Habs would basically take Campbell's contract for free.
The cost for the Oilers to the get rid of that contract is probably at least two (late) 1sts.

If you remove Newhook, that makes a bit more sense.
But i think the Habs want to start competing seriously in 2 years. Most of their less desirable contracts will be over by then.
I don't see them wanting to add another bad 4 year contract at this point, even if they get good assets in return.

The only way i see the Habs taking on Campbell's contract is if Gallagher goes the other way.
Of course, MTL would have to take other bad contracts to make it work cap wise, like maybe Foegele and Ceci.
But seeing the way Gally is playing right now, i don't think it's likely to happen.
 
I’d make a call to Edmonton and offer them an olive branch - for some premium assets - as it’s an open secret that Ken Holland is retiring after this year, and will want to go out with a bang.

To Edmonton: Samuel Montembeault, Jake Evans

To Montreal: Jack Campbell, Dylan Holloway, 2025 1st round pick.

Why they do it? Oilers need some cap relief and moving Campbell’s contract gives them room to make some more upgrades to the roster, while Evans helps them in their bottom 9 as a reliable forward with speed. Giving up Holloway hurts them but it’s a small price in the big scheme if it gets the Oilers to a cup.

Habs take on some major cap and term in Campbell, but are compensated nicely with a premium young talent that fits the rebuild, and another first to add to the stockpile. Allen gets moved in the off season, while Holloway comes in and gets a shot with Suzuki/Caufield as his game of speed/strength/ability would complement them nicely and he played with Caufield in college. I’d see the lines as:

Holloway - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Dach - Newhook
Harvey-Pinard - Monahan - Anderson
Pearson - Dvorak - Ylonen
Gallagher
Pezzetta

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Kovacevic
Xhekaj - Harris

Campbell
Primeau
Probably drop Evans and Holloway Oilers do it. They want to dump Campbell I would imagine. If Habs are sure Monty not their guy.
 
It's more to show we have the assets to get Askarov if we want him, without sacrificing the future core:

Matheson Reinbacher
Guhle Mailloux
Xhekaj Hutson
Kovacevic, Harris, Norlinder, Struble

Askarov
Montembault
The Habs may have assets to trade, but I don't see why Nashville would consider dealing Askarov any time soon. It's really difficult to make a trade for a player not on the market.
 
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It's more to show we have the assets to get Askarov if we want him, without sacrificing the future core:

Matheson Reinbacher
Guhle Mailloux
Xhekaj Hutson
Kovacevic, Harris, Norlinder, Struble

Askarov
Montembault
I disagree with that evaluation, Montembeault is 26 years old now with a career high of 16 wins. He doesn’t have a ton of value, other than as a cheap contract and possible potential. You could probably squeeze Lavoie out of them.


We wouldn’t be giving up much in terms of “substantial assets,” so how would you tweak it to reflect value and realistic cost they’d pay?

If I was Hughes and received a proposal consisting of Campbell + Holloway + EDM 2025 1st for Montembeault + Evans, I actually wouldn’t bother sending a counter-offer; Campbell’s contract is beyond awful.

For discussion sake however, I guess I could say: Campbell + EDM 2024 2nd + EDM 2025 1st for Allen.

Edmonton saves 1.2M AAV x 2 years with the G swap, then another full 5M AAV x 2 years, hence the (presumably late) 1st and 2nd round picks incentive.
 
Campbell has 4 years left at a 5M per year cap hit. 5 years is when I expected to make some serious damage in the first place. Campbell will no longer be an issue at that point.
By the rule of thumb of 1 first rounder per $6M of cap, Campbell should come with 3 first rounders, or two plus Holloway.

Then they add if they want other assets from us.

I just don't see Edmonton willing to do this. Maybe they hope Campbell starts playing better.

Campbell + Holloway + 2024 first + 2025 first for Montembeault + Dvorak (full salary)

They get their 1G for cheap + a responsible 3C who could thrive with them.

But man, that Campbell deal would hurt in 2 years.
A buyout after 2 years is costing around $1.7M x 4 years on the cap.
 
The Habs may have assets to trade, but I don't see why Nashville would consider dealing Askarov any time soon. It's really difficult to make a trade for a player not on the market.
Rumors are he's on the market, because they'll go with Saros.
 
Askarov would be perfect age wise to sit under the learning tree for 2023-24 in Laval, be the backup in 24-25 after Monty leaves for free agency next summer and then take the main starter role after Allen leaves for free agency at the end of his contract summer of 24-25. He would fit right into a three years planned transition.
 
Nashville might deal Askalot, but are we willing to givalot?

Young goalies are fickle things. If Nashville is ready to go with Saros indefinitely, doesn't that also say something about their evaluation of Askarov's chances to be elite?
Saros becomes a UFA in 2 years which may line up for Askarov to step in at about 23 which seems like reasonable development time.
I am not sure Nashville goes with Saros longterm.
 
Nashville might deal Askalot, but are we willing to givalot?

Young goalies are fickle things. If Nashville is ready to go with Saros indefinitely, doesn't that also say something about their evaluation of Askarov's chances to be elite?
I don't know how good Askarov is or how Nashville rate him. I've heard rumblings he's talented by inconsistent. But remember how long it took Price to be good?

My interest in Askarov is contingent on our scouting teams projecting him to be a good number 1.
 
I'm guessing a lot didn't actually watch the game, or even the highlights.

Skinner gave up 4, but only the 4th one might have been on him.

First 3 where either deflected, or it was a 2 on 0.

Edmonton needs to move out Campbell. For that, I'm not giving the Oilers much.

And by much, I mean they get Allen, Armia and a late round pick and the Habs are getting 2024 1st, 2025 1st, 2025 2nd/2026 2nd and Raphael Lavoie. Oilers take back slightly more cap than they send, so potentially send Allen at 50% for the last 2 years.

It's going to cost a lot, so I imagine Edmonton tries to ride another year with Campbell.
 
Rumors are he's on the market, because they'll go with Saros.

Sounds indeed very plausible; there were persistent rumors of Askarov + #15 were being offered for a high pick last draft.

Askarov should be waiver-exempt until about the beginning of the 2026-2027 season ; so we must bear in mind however that Nashville has no sense of urgency to trade him away; they can afford to be patient for the right deal.

Looking at their needs, the Predators seem to be especially lacking D and C prospects; Habs can’t help much with the latter, but can definitely provide quality assets in regards to the former.

And since the Habs’ already substantial draft capital over the next couple of years should be even deeper after TDL 2024, they can also likely afford to add 1-2 top-64 picks to Nashville as further incentive.

From Montreal’s POV, going with a Montembeault-Askarov would be a great transition tandem; Askarov gradually taking over G1 duties while Montembeault provides stability until Fowler or one the other G prospect emerges.
 
Thats a terrible take lmao. On top of that, Suzuki will be 29 in 5 years, thats a short window to win. The fact that you think dumping Campbell would only cost them basically Holloway is delusional at best (plus the fact that Newhooks value is already more than what we paid for him).
For starters, Suzuki will be the oldest of the young core in 5 years and entering that season -- with three years left on his current contract (Caufield will have four left) -- as a fresh, 28th-yr-old pivot in his prime. It is, in fact a perfect time for a three-year window at trying to win Montreal's 25th Stanley Cup!

Suzuki will be 28
Caufield will be 26
Dach will be 26
Slafkovsky will be 23
Roy will be 24
Holloway will be 26
Heineman will be 25
RHP will be 28
Guhle will be 25
Reinbacher will be 22
Mailloux will be 24
Hutson will be 23
Xhejkaj will be 26

I stated that I expected, all along, that Montreal would make some serious damage only in 5 years. That means, challenge for a Cup run.

I agree that Montreal should be challenging for a playoff spot after two more years (this one and the next one) -- that's three years from now, not after this season, meaning two years from now.

That's after contracts to Dvorak, Armia and Savard are off the books and after, in my proposed scenario, Montreal has added 5 more 1st round picks, 3 more 2nd round picks and 3 more 3rd round picks, or, most likely, used some these to acquire an impactful, young forward or two and a starting G via the trade route and the UFA front..

Look at the age bracket of the core listed above. Are you actually delusional enough to think we would challenger a Cup run before Year 5 from now (this season included), or after four more seasons have passed?

For the holy love of whatever, ou oldest D will be Xhekaj at 26 -- And that's the least impactful of the five core Ds that we will have, likely a #5 on the pecking order, if not a #6.

We don't even have a bead on who'll be the starting G for a Cup run!? It won't be Montembeault, I'm positive of that.

Our forward group will just be recently in their prime, or just entering it.

Those expecting a team that is ready for full glory as soon as next year, in some cases, or the year after are forgetting development of youngsters takes time and that experience often needs to kick in before they have a genuine Cup-winning impact at the NHL level.

What's a terrible take is expecting this team to be ready to contend before four more years have gone by!

My take gives Newhook because Evans is worth nothing and Montembeault is worth only slightly more, plus, I'm asking for an extra 1st round pick, compared to the original proposal, togo along with Holloway.

I think Holloway may well copout as an excellent power forward type, but not necessarily an elite version of that.He'dbe an eventual replacement for Anderson (in year 5 from now), either to go along with Heinemann in that role, or to be that instead of Heineman who would have failed to become that with the Habs.

My goal is to have loads of draft capital over the next two seasons, but not to simply draft and develop, risking to always chase the Cup window, where current players with talent are on the downswing as future drafted players with upside are only starting to perform at Cup-winning levels.

I expect Hughes to package some veterans (maybe Anderson in the 2025 offseason),prospects that are talented, but redundant and higher draft picks to add an elite scorer by 2025 and, necessarily, a younger version of that because the core of this team will stile couple foyers away from truly maturing into contender mode.

Hughes will also draft players that will accompany the team's upward swing and, as they develop, reinforce the ageing core at cheaper cap hits.

That's how Huighes can deliver on the promise of presenting a perennial contender over a longer time frame.

Not through wishful thinking where fans believe everything will magically come together in short order with still inexperienced NHLers that aren't generationnal talents.

Montreal has not been in the playoffs forty years now and likely won't be for two more years. None of the current younger players outside of Suzuki and Caufield will have experienced the playoffs and learnt from adversity faced in the postseason.

As we saw many times in the past, good teams need to lose before knowing how to win in the playoffs. It happened with dynasties such as the Oilers, even with Gretzky and the stellar supporting cast on that roster. It happened with TB, just recently. It happened with Colorado.It happened with Pittsburgh and Crosby, earlier in his career. It happened with Ovechkin's Capitals, and soon, and so on.

Montreal might make the playoffs in three years, two years if they are extremely lucky, but it won't be contending before year 5.

The division and conference is much too stacked right now for that to happen. With PIT, WAS and BOS likely nearing (if not already in) rebuild mode by Year 5 from now, despite other currently rebuilding or emerging teams being a challenge, Montreal will have a clearer path forward to the Cup finals.

TB will also be ageing and, to a somewhat lesser degree, so will Colorado as competition in the other conference.

Perfect storm, as Montreal becomes a mature, but still rather young roster.

I only indulged fortune in this stupid scenario where we would get anything from Edmonton for Evans and Montembeault, while agreeing to taken four years of Campbell's contract, but my expectations for there being no contention status before five years from now is based solid analysis, not some pipe dream.

But, a lot of things still need happen for that to be true. Lots of work for Hughes, but still a lot of assets coming up over the next two off-season, before any other are even acquired; three first round picks, two 2nd round picks, four 3rd round picks -- and I'm not counting multiple 4ths, multiple 5ths and multiple 7ths over those two drafts.
 
Sounds indeed very plausible; there were persistent rumors of Askarov + #15 were being offered for a high pick last draft.

Askarov should be waiver-exempt until about the beginning of the 2026-2027 season ; so we must bear in mind however that Nashville has no sense of urgency to trade him away; they can afford to be patient for the right deal.

Looking at their needs, the Predators seem to be especially lacking D and C prospects; Habs can’t help much with the latter, but can definitely provide quality assets in regards to the former.

And since the Habs’ already substantial draft capital over the next couple of years should be even deeper after TDL 2024, they can also likely afford to add 1-2 top-64 picks to Nashville as further incentive.

From Montreal’s POV, going with a Montembeault-Askarov would be a great transition tandem; Askarov gradually taking over G1 duties while Montembeault provides stability until Fowler or one the other G prospect emerges.
Askarov could well be a good trade target for the Habs in trying to ensure a solid starting G situation in the nearer future.

However, again, IMO,Montreal still has four years to develop a starting G, or acquire one that is already developed to be a starting G, either via the trade route, or through free agency by that time.

I would not pay a ransom for Askarov who, IMO, while athletic and talented, is more difficult to project in time because he is not the prototypical robotic, pure form G. He's more instinctive and reliant on his reflexes than would be a Price-like version of a G.

Upside would be more like Dominic Hasek, let's say, but there are no guarantees he reaches that level of play.

It seems logical to offer up anyone from our D depth not named Guhle, Reinbacher, Hutson, Mailloux or Xhekaj and a 2nd round pick for Askarov (COL's likely later pick in 2024 would be a great give for us).

From Barron, Harris, Kovacevic, Engstrom, Struble, Trudeau and that Russian D now playing over 24-minutes a night in the KHL, I'm sure the Prerds would find something of their liking.
 
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Four D prospects!? Are you nuts?
Nashville would refuse that kind of deal. A legit first Goalie as prospect is more valuable than any of those dman. I like the potential what could become Engstrom, Barron, kony and Trudeau. But i doubt any of them would be top 2 and top 4? Maybe engstrom and barron. For askarov, they will ask Hutson over those 4 dman.
 
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Nashville would refuse that kind of deal. A legit first Goalie as prospect is more valuable than any of those dman. I like the potential what could become Engstrom, Barron, kony and Trudeau. But i doubt any of them would be top 2 and top 4? Maybe engstrom and barron.
Happy you know what Preds would accept or not, but I didn't say this was a deal Nashville would drool over. It's what I would be willing to give up for Askarov because we aren't rushed to get that #1 G yet. Four years to acquire and develop one through the draft, if it's not one already in the organization.
 
Happy you know what Preds would accept or not, but I didn't say this was a deal Nashville would drool over. It's what I would be willing to give up for Askarov because we aren't rushed to get that #1 G yet. Four years to acquire and develop one through the draft, if it's not one already in the organization.
In fact, I don’t know what Nashville ask for Askarov. But he is considdered as A prospect, first goalie.
If Reinbacher is considered as first pair dman, A prospect. I would be pissed off to see been traded vs 4 dman prospect
 
Nashville fan here to answer all your Askarov questions! So, Askarov is our top prospect we value him very highly. We will not listen to any offers of quantity over quality so a proposal of:
To MTL: Askarov

To NAS: Engstrom + Barron + Bogdan konyushkov+ Trudeau + Primeau

We have the assets to get Askarov, perhaps even without giving up one of Guhle, Xhekaj, Hutson, Mailloux, and Reinbacher. Is he the guy though?
has many pieces Nashville has those types of prospects already and can easily get more of them without dealing our best prospect.

Rumors are he's on the market, because they'll go with Saros.

He is not. We were willing to deal Askarov and our 1st last year to move up to draft Carlsson, Fantilli, Smith or Michkov. If you're not offering an elite center prospect or potential franchise guy like Michkov then we're not interested.
Nashville would refuse that kind of deal. A legit first Goalie as prospect is more valuable than any of those dman. I like the potential what could become Engstrom, Barron, kony and Trudeau. But i doubt any of them would be top 2 and top 4? Maybe engstrom and barron. For askarov, they will ask Hutson over those 4 dman.
Correct.
 
We have lot of trade chip but team looking to win will be interested in players that can help them now they don’t need mid round picks or B prospect. We have Monahan that can boost a top 9 and we have Savard that can be a depth D. Our best asset might be our cap space to help team like Toronto, Vegas, Dallas, Colorado, Edmonton, NJ, NYR the issues I not sure there are many high profile UFA moving at the TDL.
 
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