HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Kobe Armstrong]

That's fair, but Gallagher is really bad. You have to add and that should tell you how much Gallagher is worthless given that you have to ADD in a deal where you receive Campbell.


Also, the one advantage with Campbell is he sucks and plays a very important position to determine whether you're good, or bad.

Should've known I was wasting my time arguing with a Habs fan who wants to lose 2 games into the season

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Should've known I was wasting my time arguing with a Habs fan who wants to lose 2 games into the season

So, finish 6 points out of the playoffs and draft like 14th is your goal ?

If you think this team is playoff worthy and a contender, then please, please whatever it is you smoke I want some, though it's gotta be some strong-ass shit, so I might die.

 

[bleuetbio]

Bring us that Pinto

 

[sampollock]

Nice how figs get 1st 3 at home

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

So, finish 6 points out of the playoffs and draft like 14th is your goal ?

If you think this team is playoff worthy and a contender, then please, please whatever it is you smoke I want some, though it's gotta be some strong-ass shit, so I might die.

I don't think they are playoff worthy. I think they could have been playoff worthy with smarter management. I cheer for them to win games. We are caught in a no man's land where we won't be bad enough for a top pick and our management has no desire to get better.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I don't think they are playoff worthy. I think they could have been playoff worthy with smarter management. I cheer for them to win games. We are caught in a no man's land where we won't be bad enough for a top pick and our management has no desire to get better.

They had a slight desire to get better.

They have a slight desire to rebuild.

They're doing both while screwing over the other.

Pick a direction.

 

[Canadiens Ghost]

I don't think they are playoff worthy. I think they could have been playoff worthy with smarter management. I cheer for them to win games. We are caught in a no man's land where we won't be bad enough for a top pick and our management has no desire to get better.

What?

 

[calder candidate]

With the news of Dach’s injury, I would definitely be on the phone with Edmonton. Habs will have a ton of cap space now, and adding assets only makes sense as the rebuild gets pushed back.

My now tweaked offer -

To Edmonton: Samuel Montembeault, Jake Evans.

To Montreal: Oilers 2024 1st round pick, Dylan Holloway, Raphael Lavoie, Jack Campbell.

Edmonton gets out of their cap jam by paying assets to take Campbell, while the Habs add players/prospects for their rebuild.

Holloway joins the club and is given a shot on the top line with Suzuki/Caufield, as he’s played with Caufield in the past and has a nice mix of size/speed and hands. Lavoie goes to the AHL and can be called up as needed.

Lines look like:

Holloway - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Newhook - Anderson
Harvey-Pinard - Monahan - Gallagher
Pearson - ____ - Ylonen

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Kovacevic
Xhekaj - Harris

Allen
Campbell

Campbell contract is 5M$ for 3 years we got a 1st for Monahan that was 6M$ for one year…
What has Holloway proved or show that he could be a core piece going and if he did way would EDM trade him since they need to cheap depth.. He was overrated in his draft year and it still following him reality is catching up.
Wasn’t Lavoie on waiver a week ago…

Edm get to dump 5M$ but there goalie situation is still questionable and Evans is not a significant upgrade to their lineup, it probably very much worth it to be able to get out of Campbell contract but it create just has much issue for Mtl not sure a late 1st and a midle 6 prospect is really with it.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

They had a slight desire to get better.

They have a slight desire to rebuild.

They're doing both while screwing over the other.

Pick a direction.

Funny because your issue with me is my issue with Habs management.

The reason we aren't the worst team in the league right now is because public enemy #1 Bergevin actually left us with enough decent young players to start a good rebuild.

Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle, Romanov, and Xhekaj are all great pieces for a rebuilding team.

HuGo came into a Godly rebuild situation. A team full of veterans with inflated values due to recent playoff success, young stars on the verge of establishing themselves, and a #1 overall draft pick. Chiarot was the only good trade they made. Toffoli was okay but they wasted the 1st rounder they got trying to be cute. They should've moved Anderson when his value was insane, and the Lehkonen trade stunk. Armia had value when they came in too.

Management is fine just letting things run their course while they have the public's good will on their side. They are hoping to hit a home run on one of these buy low trades or draft pick reaches, and so far nobody has hit.

They are not being proactive, they are being wishful.

 

[Miller Time]

Funny because your issue with me is my issue with Habs management.

The reason we aren't the worst team in the league right now is because public enemy #1 Bergevin actually left us with enough decent young players to start a good rebuild.

Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle, Romanov, and Xhekaj are all great pieces for a rebuilding team.

HuGo came into a Godly rebuild situation. A team full of veterans with inflated values due to recent playoff success, young stars on the verge of establishing themselves, and a #1 overall draft pick. Chiarot was the only good trade they made. Toffoli was okay but they wasted the 1st rounder they got trying to be cute. They should've moved Anderson when his value was insane, and the Lehkonen trade stunk. Armia had value when they came in too.

Management is fine just letting things run their course while they have the public's good will on their side. They are hoping to hit a home run on one of these buy low trades or draft pick reaches, and so far nobody has hit.

They are not being proactive, they are being wishful.

Is this supposed to be a joke?

You can't be serious...

"Veterans with inflated value"??? Were you not following our league basement season where MB finally, thankfully, was let go?

 

[HuGort]

Campbell contract is 5M$ for 3 years we got a 1st for Monahan that was 6M$ for one year…
What has Holloway proved or show that he could be a core piece going and if he did way would EDM trade him since they need to cheap depth.. He was overrated in his draft year and it still following him reality is catching up.
Wasn’t Lavoie on waiver a week ago…

Edm get to dump 5M$ but there goalie situation is still questionable and Evans is not a significant upgrade to their lineup, it probably very much worth it to be able to get out of Campbell contract but it create just has much issue for Mtl not sure a late 1st and a midle 6 prospect is really with it.

Yeah, Campbell contract I wouldn't touch. Holloway some interest in but he has limited offense. Doubt he's much better than Beck will be. Lavoie I had him as non-draft, so I have no interest.

 

[ML16]

With the news of Dach’s injury, I would definitely be on the phone with Edmonton. Habs will have a ton of cap space now, and adding assets only makes sense as the rebuild gets pushed back.

My now tweaked offer -

To Edmonton: Samuel Montembeault, Jake Evans.

To Montreal: Oilers 2024 1st round pick, Dylan Holloway, Raphael Lavoie, Jack Campbell.

Edmonton gets out of their cap jam by paying assets to take Campbell, while the Habs add players/prospects for their rebuild.

Holloway joins the club and is given a shot on the top line with Suzuki/Caufield, as he’s played with Caufield in the past and has a nice mix of size/speed and hands. Lavoie goes to the AHL and can be called up as needed.

Lines look like:

Holloway - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Newhook - Anderson
Harvey-Pinard - Monahan - Gallagher
Pearson - ____ - Ylonen

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Kovacevic
Xhekaj - Harris

Allen
Campbell

This new proposal makes even less sense than your previous one; with Dach and Dvorak out, the Habs cannot afford to trade away one their few remaining Cs - and especially not swap their optimal transition G with the worst G contract league-wide! - for a package consisting of only a late 2025 1st and some underwhelming wingers.

If Dach is indeed out for the season as some postulated today*, the Habs’ even more ample cap space can be weaponized into something much more substantial - and in a way that doesn’t entail unnecessarily adding the Campbell anchor.

*If so, I guess they don’t need to add a stop-gap C (until maybe TDL 2024, if there’s a market for Monahan then) since they can run with Suzuki-Newhook-Monahan-Evans until Dvorak comes back, at which point he can take over C3 and Monahan can move back in the top-6.

 

[Destopcorner]

Just do what it takes to bring Pinto so we can forget about Dach injury... I'd give great value for this type of player, he's a sureshot 6f2 second C with great speed and IQ. We have the cap room to accomodate anybody and the assets to do a move like that.

 

[Scriptor]

If you're not offering an elite center prospect or potential franchise guy like Michkov then we're not interested.

Keep him.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

This new proposal makes even less sense than your previous one; with Dach and Dvorak out, the Habs cannot afford to trade away one their few remaining Cs - and especially not swap their optimal transition G with the worst G contract league-wide! - for a package consisting of only a late 2025 1st and some underwhelming wingers.

If Dach is indeed out for the season as some postulated today*, the Habs’ even more ample cap space can be weaponized into something much more substantial - and in a way that doesn’t entail unnecessarily adding the Campbell anchor.

*If so, I guess they don’t need to add a stop-gap C (until maybe TDL 2024, if there’s a market for Monahan then) since they can run with Suzuki-Newhook-Monahan-Evans until Dvorak comes back, at which point he can take over C3 and Monahan can move back in the top-6.

You’re probably right, I’m just throwing stuff out there, as I feel Hughes will make a move to acquire some assets now, and I felt Edmonton would be willing to pay premium prices to get out of cap hell. Im a Holloway fan and I think he would be perfect in the MSL system and thrive with Suzuki/Caufield. But maybe a young center will be the main target - Shane Pinto perhaps?

 

[Scriptor]

You must not be familiar with our prospects if you think that. I'd say we've got a top 10 with a few elite prospects (Kemell, Askarov), and a few more high potential prospects(Molendyk, Evangelista)

Our rebuild has already been underway for several years and we have 4 picks in the first two rounds this year and three next year, plus whatever trades we make at the deadline. It's clear you don't really know what you're talking about with our team.

Obviously,your evaluation of your prospects is flawed. Kemell, elite? Askarov, elite?

Just because they are your best prospects, it doesn't make them elite.

 

[Scriptor]

You’re probably right, I’m just throwing stuff out there, as I feel Hughes will make a move to acquire some assets now, and I felt Edmonton would be willing to pay premium prices to get out of cap hell. Im a Holloway fan and I think he would be perfect in the MSL system and thrive with Suzuki/Caufield. But maybe a young center will be the main target - Shane Pinto perhaps?

I think both your targets -- Holloway and Pinto -- will top out as borderline 2nd line players, but be excellent 3rd line players that can still contribute on both sides of the puck come playoff time.

Holloway - Pinto - Anderson, for example, would be a tough line to play against.

 

[Soundgarden]

Obviously,your evaluation of your prospects is flawed. Kemell, elite? Askarov, elite?

Just because they are your best prospects, it doesn't make them elite.

Yes, Kemell was rated 2nd for Euro skaters in the'22 draft and put up a PPG in the AHL as a teenager and then dominated in the playoffs with 8 goals in 14 games. Askarov is one of the best goalie prospects in the league along with Wallstedt and Wolf, the only rookies with better stats than him in the AHL were all 24-25.

 

[Scriptor]

Yes, Kemell was rated 2nd for Euro skaters in the'22 draft and put up a PPG in the AHL as a teenager and then dominated in the playoffs with 8 goals in 14 games. Askarov is one of the best goalie prospects in the league along with Wallstedt and Wolf, the only rookies with better stats than him in the AHL were all 24-25.

Not elite.

Never said they were bad, though.

 

[Soundgarden]

Not elite.

Never said they were bad, though.

Agree to disagree, many of us think Kemell has elite potential and Askarov has franchise potential.

 

[Scriptor]

Agree to disagree, many of us think Kemell has elite potential and Askarov has franchise potential.

Fans...

I sure wish that on you.Just think you're wearing fan goggles and, of course, other fans will agree with you...

All par for the course.

 

[ReHabs]

Funny because your issue with me is my issue with Habs management.

The reason we aren't the worst team in the league right now is because public enemy #1 Bergevin actually left us with enough decent young players to start a good rebuild.

Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle, Romanov, and Xhekaj are all great pieces for a rebuilding team.

HuGo came into a Godly rebuild situation. A team full of veterans with inflated values due to recent playoff success, young stars on the verge of establishing themselves, and a #1 overall draft pick. Chiarot was the only good trade they made. Toffoli was okay but they wasted the 1st rounder they got trying to be cute. They should've moved Anderson when his value was insane, and the Lehkonen trade stunk. Armia had value when they came in too.

Management is fine just letting things run their course while they have the public's good will on their side. They are hoping to hit a home run on one of these buy low trades or draft pick reaches, and so far nobody has hit.

They are not being proactive, they are being wishful.

The Lehkonen and Toffoli trades were bad, in hindsight. Very bad. Holding onto Anderson and giving Allen a raise + extension is inexplicably bad. And I don't for a moment think Hughes had an impossible cap situation -- he had nothing to spend it on and had no desire to improve the team in the first place.

All Hughes is doing is burning goodwill and patience. The next GM after him will come into a hostile environment where the fans will be rightfully cagey about wasting season after season while the GM whistles Frere Jacques hoping for his magic means to sprout.

Oh well. Let's see what he manages to do now.

 

[HuGort]

Yes, Kemell was rated 2nd for Euro skaters in the'22 draft and put up a PPG in the AHL as a teenager and then dominated in the playoffs with 8 goals in 14 games. Askarov is one of the best goalie prospects in the league along with Wallstedt and Wolf, the only rookies with better stats than him in the AHL were all 24-25.

I had Kemell ranked 8th in my draft rankings.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

After seeing the Habs buy low on Dach and, to a lesser extent, on Newhook, not far fetched I think to entertain the idea that Lafrenière could be a reasonable trade target next summer; would indeed fit the « cost-controlled-RFA-with-top-6-upsides-but-a-somewhat-underwhelming-NHL-debut » yearly addition M.O.

If the price for Lafrenière is not too steep (Harris/Barron + 2nd?) and the Habs draft a better forward with their 2024 1st round pick, the addition of both during the offseason - along with the plausible graduation of Roy, Reinbacher and Hutson, should spread media attention enough to ease everyone in…

Buyed low on Newhook? Excuse me! A first + second + B prospect? Guy has 2 goals in his Habs debut and he's the next McDavid......

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah, Campbell contract I wouldn't touch. Holloway some interest in but he has limited offense. Doubt he's much better than Beck will be. Lavoie I had him as non-draft, so I have no interest.

I agree.

Holloway is a decent middle 6F IMO. Not a sure shot top 6F but he's a hard worker like Heineman is. Good prospect or young NHL player but he's not grade A. More like a B+ type.

Oilers 1st would be nice but it's most likely 20+. Even after their bad start.

Lavoie is a bottom 6F at best... if he makes the NHL. We have loads of these types and Lavoie's skating is not good enough.

Not worth taking on Campbell for 3 more years after this season.