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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

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BargainBinSpecial said:
Buyed low on Newhook? Excuse me! A first + second + B prospect? Guy has 2 goals in his Habs debut and he's the next McDavid......
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I’m obviously not expecting Newhook to be PPG, but the Habs did buy low on him - although to a lesser extent than in Dach’s situation, I concur.

#31OA + #37OA and a footnote (Fairbrother) is far from being a high price to pay for a RFA with reasonable top-6 upsides picked #15OA.

Truth be told, I wasn’t happy about involving both picks in that trade since I would have used one on a goalie instead it, but Fowler’s selection was a great consolation prize.
 
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Soundgarden said:
Yes, Kemell was rated 2nd for Euro skaters in the'22 draft and put up a PPG in the AHL as a teenager and then dominated in the playoffs with 8 goals in 14 games. Askarov is one of the best goalie prospects in the league along with Wallstedt and Wolf, the only rookies with better stats than him in the AHL were all 24-25.
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I had Kemell ranked 8th in my draft rankings.
 
ML16 said:
I’m obviously not expecting Newhook to be PPG, but the Habs did buy low on him - although to a lesser extent than in Dach’s situation, I concur.

#31OA + #37OA and a footnote (Fairbrother) is far from being a high price to pay for a RFA with reasonable top-6 upsides picked #15OA.

Truth be told, I wasn’t happy about involving both picks in that trade since I would have used one on a goalie instead it, but Fowler’s selection was a great consolation prize.
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It's so funny... I swear, draft picks and prospects are so over valued in here.

If we traded Guhle for a late first and a early second would people be happy about it? That's pretty much the Newhook trade.
 
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BargainBinSpecial said:
Buyed low on Newhook? Excuse me! A first + second + B prospect? Guy has 2 goals in his Habs debut and he's the next McDavid......
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late 1st pick are so overated. its a gamble. Those are the best drafted player 31st.
The best player (points) in the recent era drafted at this rank was.... Georges Laraque

NHL Players selected at the 31st draft position at hockeydb.com

All players selected with the 31st position in the NHL draft
www.hockeydb.com

We gave nothing
 
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Destopcorner said:
Just do what it takes to bring Pinto so we can forget about Dach injury... I'd give great value for this type of player, he's a sureshot 6f2 second C with great speed and IQ. We have the cap room to accomodate anybody and the assets to do a move like that.
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Speaking of Pinto, if I understand the NHL offer sheet rules* correctly, nothing actually prevents him from signing an offer sheet tomorrow if he so wishes.

Too bad the Habs don’t own their 2024 2nd - basically can’t go higher than 2.145M AAV - and thus have no chance to acquire him via such approach; the compensation would be too low (2024 3rd) for Ottawa and the AAV, too easy to match within 7 days by trading Joseph.

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Kobe Armstrong said:
Funny because your issue with me is my issue with Habs management.

The reason we aren't the worst team in the league right now is because public enemy #1 Bergevin actually left us with enough decent young players to start a good rebuild.

Caufield, Suzuki, Guhle, Romanov, and Xhekaj are all great pieces for a rebuilding team.

HuGo came into a Godly rebuild situation. A team full of veterans with inflated values due to recent playoff success, young stars on the verge of establishing themselves, and a #1 overall draft pick. Chiarot was the only good trade they made. Toffoli was okay but they wasted the 1st rounder they got trying to be cute. They should've moved Anderson when his value was insane, and the Lehkonen trade stunk. Armia had value when they came in too.

Management is fine just letting things run their course while they have the public's good will on their side. They are hoping to hit a home run on one of these buy low trades or draft pick reaches, and so far nobody has hit.

They are not being proactive, they are being wishful.
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One of the most delusional posts I've read here. Just insanely inaccurate in every regard.
 
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ML16 said:
Speaking of Pinto, if I understand the NHL offer sheet rules* correctly, nothing actually prevents him from signing an offer sheet tomorrow if he so wishes.

Too bad the Habs don’t own their 2024 2nd - basically can’t go higher than 2.145M AAV - and thus have no chance to acquire him via such approach; the compensation would be too low (2024 3rd) for Ottawa and the AAV, too easy to match within 7 days by trading Joseph.

* CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
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Definitely not offer sheeting. That has never worked out
 
Kobe Armstrong said:
Which made for a godly rebuild situation
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Yes, rebuild. Your criticisms suggest you don't quite understand what that actually entails

Slaf, Beck, Hutson, Rohrer, Barron, Dach, Newhook, Mesar, Reinbacher, Engstrom, Konyushkov, Fowler, Miller et...

That's a pretty impressive influx of young talent in 1.5yrs.
 
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Miller Time said:
Yes, rebuild. Your criticisms suggest you don't quite understand what that actually entails

Slaf, Beck, Hutson, Rohrer, Barron, Dach, Newhook, Mesar, Reinbacher, Engstrom, Konyushkov, Fowler, Miller et...

That's a pretty impressive influx of young talent in 1.5yrs.
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You listed Mesar o_O

That is a pretty bad list when you account for a 1st overall, 5th overall, and multiple other 1sts. The picks were easy to get because of the rebuild situation they came into.
 
Kobe Armstrong said:
You listed Mesar o_O

That is a pretty bad list when you account for a 1st overall, 5th overall, and multiple other 1sts. The picks were easy to get because of the rebuild situation they came into.
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Yes, Mesar. Picked 1 year ago.

Again, not sure you understand what a rebuild is... patience isn't for everyone I guess
 
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Miller Time said:
Yes, Mesar. Picked 1 year ago.

Again, not sure you understand what a rebuild is... patience isn't for everyone I guess
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You're listing a bunch of mid tier prospects as our great influx of talent. The only player who has even played well for us is Dach, and he is predictably injured again. I like Slaf and Reinbacher, but I think time will show we missed on those picks, more likely on Slaf than Reinbacher.
 
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Kobe Armstrong said:
You're listing a bunch of mid tier prospects as our great influx of talent. The only player who has even played well for us is Dach, and he is predictably injured again. I like Slaf and Reinbacher, but I think time will show we missed on those picks.
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Slaf was again identified as the #1 player from last year according to one publication...

Hutson easily goes in the first round in a re-draft, and Engstrom likely as well.

Mesar drops, Beck probably about the same.

This year's draft class is a week or two into their first post draft season, but a late D pick is leading the KHL in ice time, a rare feat for a young dman over there
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You confuse your hot takes for objective fact.
 
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Kobe Armstrong said:
Cool here is your take on Armia's value while Hughes was GM

GDT: - Trade Deadline Day: Tick Tock...

dubby is pissed at Davidson in Chicago lol
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If you are too embarrassed to click on it, the genius @Andrei79 said

"Armia and Dvorak I think have legitimate value, though in Armia's case likely not that much"

So I was still right and you are still wrong
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Yeah, really got me there with that "likely not that much value" quote lmao. I can see why you posted what you did. Delusional. "Godly rebuild" situation lol.
 
Andrei79 said:
I'm going to quote fellow poster @Kobe Armstrong as my reply:
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You also totally misquoted me, if you wanna use weird dunks at least try and be accurate. If anything our past posts prove that I was more accurate in my predictions than you were.

Here was my post on Armia:

"Can any of our bums that Bergy signed this offseason return a mid/late round pick?

. . .

Armia is a buyout candidate for sure, but I have some hope he bounces back next year when they actually have something to play for. At least if we stick his contract out for the next 2 seasons he should be worth something decent at the trade deadline, whatever."

A far cry from what you are insinuating, and I am still waiting for you to point out ANY inaccuracy in my post

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Yeah, really got me there with that "likely not that much value" quote lmao. I can see why you posted what you did. Delusional.
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"legitimate value" are you ignoring that?

You literally agree with what I said in my post that you are now disagreeing with
 
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Andrei79 said:
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Yeah, really got me there with that "likely not that much value" quote lmao. I can see why you posted what you did. Delusional. "Godly rebuild" situation lol.
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You are the delusional one. You still can't find any inaccuracies with my post
 
Kobe Armstrong said:
You also totally misquoted me, if you wanna use weird dunks at least try and be accurate. If anything our past posts prove that I was more accurate in my predictions than you were.
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The point was that you are recreating the past to fit an absurd agenda. A "godly" rebuild situation, lmao. It's a delusional premise. If you feel you were accurate that Armia had no value, then why the f*** are you saying the opposite on the same damn page of this thread ? Which is it ? This is nauseating. I'm not the one making these brutal claims of godly rebuild situations. You asked for a rebuttal, I served you with your own thoughts on the matter.
 
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The Great Weal said:
We had the worst cap situation in the league which almost handcuffed HuGo entirely. I'm very skeptical about the drafting, but I don't see anything they've done that is a complete disaster.
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I wonder how one would describe Adams's situation in Buffalo. You get there and you have an Eichel level player to trade, an incoming 1st overall, Tage Thompson, Dahlin, Cozens, Reinhart. What superlative do you use there ? Because apparently, not having a completely barren team is an ideal situation lol.
 
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