HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[CHfan1]

That roster went to cup finals year before.

The roster that went to the Finals and the roster Hughes took over were different. A lot of changes happened during the 2021 off-season. Below are some of the things that occurred during the 2021 off-season (some more significant than others):

- Weber didn’t play any more games, going on LTIR
- Price only played 5 more games after the Finals, eventually going on LTIR
- Danault left in free agency
- Perry left in free agency
- Staal left in free agency
- Tatar left in free agency
- Kotkaniemi left via offer sheet
- Byron only played 27 more games after the Finals, eventually going on LTIR
- A 1st and 2nd was traded for Dvorak
- Gallagher’s contract kicked in during the 2021-22 season, 6 years at $6.5 million AAV with a NMC
- Armia was extended at 4 years at $3.4 million AAV
- Hoffman was signed at 3 years at 4.5 million AAV

 

[Sterling Archer]

With Dach done for the year, I can't imagine a better time to go for Laff, if the Habs were at all interested. They may want to bank some more cap space and trade closer to Xmas, but Laff would fit right in with the top 6 at this point and could take cover in the team's overall suckiness to work on his game with less pressure.

 

[DAChampion]

I guess the 'Fans can't handle a rebuild' stuff was actually true.. because the minute we are in one, people want to be out of it and have 0 understanding of how long it takes to get out of one.

It's been 1.5 years, if you think that we'd be out and contending after 1.5 years of a rebuild.. you've had the wrong expectations of what rebuilds look like.

Part of the "joy" of a rebuild is getting to watch young players like Dach take a step forward.

 

[Scriptor]

With Dach done for the year, I can't imagine a better time to go for Laff, if the Habs were at all interested. They may want to bank some more cap space and trade closer to Xmas, but Laff would fit right in with the top 6 at this point and could take cover in the team's overall suckiness to work on his game with less pressure.

At what cost? What would the Rangers want back to agree to trade Lafrenière to Montreal? Who would you stick him with?

Caufield - Suzuki - Monahan
Slafkovsky - Newhook - Lafrenière
RHP - Dvorak - Anderson
Pearson - Evans - Ylonen
*Gallagher*, *Pezzetta*

Again, what would you pay up for Lafrenière?

 

[Ezpz]

I feel like trading for Joseph and a sweetener could be a better move now since Dach's ltir space alone fits it and no way Pintos sits the entire year. Joseph can be flipped when the cap rises.

 

[salbutera]

At what cost? What would the Rangers want back to agree to trade Lafrenière to Montreal? Who would you stick him with?

Caufield - Suzuki - Monahan
Slafkovsky - Newhook - Lafrenière
RHP - Dvorak - Anderson
Pearson - Evans - Ylonen
*Gallagher*, *Pezzetta*

Again, what would you pay up for Lafrenière?

Yup - all about acquisition cost

As for “who to stick him with” that’s an easy one … Suzuki/Caufield. CC is simply too soft a hockey player, as advertised, he’s a one trick pony (albeit elite shot), he’s atrocious defensively & possesses zero physicality for puck retrieval, Laf would seamlessly complement that duo IMO

 

[Deebs]

At what cost? What would the Rangers want back to agree to trade Lafrenière to Montreal? Who would you stick him with?

Caufield - Suzuki - Monahan
Slafkovsky - Newhook - Lafrenière
RHP - Dvorak - Anderson
Pearson - Evans - Ylonen
*Gallagher*, *Pezzetta*

Again, what would you pay up for Lafrenière?

I'd pay nothing. Laffy hasn't improved much in 4 years. He's a 3rd/4th liner for the rest of his career.

 

[Andy]

I feel like trading for Joseph and a sweetener could be a better move now since Dach's ltir space alone fits it and no way Pintos sits the entire year. Joseph can be flipped when the cap rises.

committing another 3 million to a bottom 6 forward until 2026?

Unless they are tossing in a 1st or top prospect to absorb the salary. I wouldn't.

I'm pretty bullish on Shane Pinto though. I would push hard to get him.

 

[Sterling Archer]

At what cost? What would the Rangers want back to agree to trade Lafrenière to Montreal? Who would you stick him with?

Caufield - Suzuki - Monahan
Slafkovsky - Newhook - Lafrenière
RHP - Dvorak - Anderson
Pearson - Evans - Ylonen
*Gallagher*, *Pezzetta*

Again, what would you pay up for Lafrenière?

I try not to deal with what the cost is and trade values. Hughes would have a much better grasp of that then I or any one not in constant communication with other GMs could ever have. I imagine his stock has dropped and mid 1st rounder plus would be his approximate value, but I don't know what it would take one way or another. Habs also have a surplus of D, prospects and picks, so I'm sure they have the assets to get him.

I'd put him on the top line at first for 5-10 games to see how he gels with Cole and Nick. If there's not chemistry there, drop him to 2nd line with Slaf and Newhook.

Laff Suzuki Caufield
or
Laff Newhook Slaf

 

[therocket9]

I guess the 'Fans can't handle a rebuild' stuff was actually true.. because the minute we are in one, people want to be out of it and have 0 understanding of how long it takes to get out of one.

It's been 1.5 years, if you think that we'd be out and contending after 1.5 years of a rebuild.. you've had the wrong expectations of what rebuilds look like.

Rebuilds work if you get a top 3 pick every year not if you are drafting 10th or 12th at some point it becomes more important to have young players get playoff experience than draft non generational players and have a losing culture.

 

[Simarino]

I dont really understand how the freakin LTIR work but with Price and Dach on it for the season, i guess it gives the option for Hughes to take some indesirable contract that finish after this season in return of prospects or picks??

 

[Scriptor]

If we did acquire Lafrenière, it would have to be for something like a young D and CAL's 1st round pick, or Anderson at 2.75M - 3M, plus tweaking the trade to make the salaries fit.

Montreal would become that much younger, but not insanely so.

I put Lafrenière on a second line with Slafkovsky and Newhook toggle him more ice time than in New York, but less responsibilities than by playing with Caufield and Suzuki in a first line role against the opponents' best players.

That and playing Caufield andSuzuki with a veteran like Monahan best addresses the continued development of Caufield, Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Newhook AND Lafrenière.

Next year, or by the trade deadline, if we move Monahan, Lafrenière could be considered to play with Caufield and Suzuki, although, ultimately, the ideal candidate should come to be Slafkovsky, if the hockey IQ proves to be a match (that could stile a few years off, though, as Slafkovsky gains more experience and matures into his large frame).

Caufield - Suzuki - Monahan
Slafkovsky - Newhook - Lafrenière
RHP - Dvorak - Roy (if Anderson traded for Lafrenière)
Pearson - Evans - Ylonen
*Gallagher*, *Pezzetta*

Caufield and Suzuki get the winger that can help them take the next step forward, Lafrenière plays on his off side to maximize exploiting his shot. Roy comes up from Laval with less pressure in a two-way, 3rd line role. Win-Win-Win.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Rebuilds work if you get a top 3 pick every year not if you are drafting 10th or 12th at some point it becomes more important to have young players get playoff experience than draft non generational players and have a losing culture.

Rebuilds work if you are patient and let the process play out and not try to Detroit Red Wing yourself out of it without elite talent.

It's 1.5 years. This is year 2 of the actual designed rebuild.

Part of the "joy" of a rebuild is getting to watch young players like Dach take a step forward.

Yes, it is but this isn't a simulation where you can turn injuries off

 

[Captain Mountain]

You'll see many claim the rebuild started in 2018 as a excuse for their impatience.

I always said: a rebuild is as long as it takes to get a #1D and a starter goalie...

Its a WILD way to frame that, but if it was actually a rebuild in 2018 (it wasn't), then it was one of the worst executed rebuilds in modern NHL history.

I'm not sure a starting goaltender is part of rebuild (because you don't need one to win), but its really surprising how many people are starting at the "I don't like watching a bad team/rebuilding team" and then looking to blame anyone and everyone to try to assuage those feelings.

 

[Scriptor]

I dont really understand how the freakin LTIR work but with Price and Dach on it for the season, i guess it gives the option for Hughes to take some indesirable contract that finish after this season in return of prospects or picks??

Actually, by keeping Price the regular IR and placing Dach on LTIR, I think this leaves 7.1375M to let Cap space accrue throughout the year (for a big facilitating position at the trade deadline and to avoid paying potential bonuses next season).

Great situation for the Habs and awful situation for the Habs (with Dach's serious injury).

 

[morhilane]

Its a WILD way to frame that, but even if it was actually a rebuild in 2018, then it may have been the worst executed rebuild in NHL history.

There was no rebuild in 2018, but some fans think that's when it started because that's when the team started to sucks in their mind.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Actually, by keeping Price the regular IR and placing Dach on LTIR, I think this leaves 7.1375M to let Cap space accrue throughout the year (for a big facilitating position at the trade deadline and to avoid paying potential bonuses next season).

Great situation for the Habs and awful situation for the Habs (with Dach's serious injury).

I don't believe you can accrue cap space when using LTIR.

 

[Habbietat]

Rebuilds work if you are patient and let the process play out and not try to Detroit Red Wing yourself out of it without elite talent.

It's 1.5 years. This is year 2 of the actual designed rebuild.

2 high draft picks = 2 years of rebuilding

 

[Scriptor]

I don't believe you can accrue cap space when using LTIR.

Read carefully. 10.5M for Price on regular IR. The Cap hit for Dach -- on LTIR -- won't let you accrue Cap space, but it covers any Cap leeway you might need this season.

 

[therocket9]

Rebuilds work if you are patient and let the process play out and not try to Detroit Red Wing yourself out of it without elite talent.

It's 1.5 years. This is year 2 of the actual designed rebuild.



Yes, it is but this isn't a simulation where you can turn injuries off

Rebuilds work if you sink to the bottom and get Crosby,Malkin,Fleury and Ovechkin,Backstrom and Toews and Kane.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Read carefully. 10.5M for Price on regular IR. The Cap hit for Dach -- on LTIR -- won't let you accrue Cap space, but it covers any Cap leeway you might need this season.

I did? "I think this leaves 7.1375M to let Cap space accrue throughout the year (for a big facilitating position at the trade deadline and to avoid paying potential bonuses next season)"

Montreal already has cap space leeway they may need this season.

 

[morhilane]

I did? "I think this leaves 7.1375M to let Cap space accrue throughout the year (for a big facilitating position at the trade deadline and to avoid paying potential bonuses next season)"

Montreal already has cap space leeway they may need this season.

Montreal need accrued space for the performance bonus. They have a $1,170,000 cap penalty this season because of no accrued cap space last year to "pay" those bonus.

 

[JoelWarlord]

That roster went to cup finals year before.

No it didn't. The roster in place in January 2022 compared to June 2021 was missing its former franchise goalie, #1 defenceman, #1 center, #1 left wing, #3 center, 3rd line LW, two key parts of its strong fourth line, and another top 4 defenceman (Edmundson) was injured almost the entire year and nowhere close to his 2021 playoffs level of play when he was in the linuep. The reinforcements amounted to Dvorak, Hoffman, and Savard. On top of that, Petry who was our #2D and became our #1D declined significantly, and Gallagher who was the 1RW on the matchup line with Danault was pretty much ground to dust by that point.

I don't mean to "blame" Bergevin for every single one of those departures, but the 2021 playoff roster had very little resemblance to the 21-22 roster.

 

[LaP]

2 high draft picks = 2 years of rebuilding

A rebuild usually takes around 5 years. There's still at least 2 years left. Kids who pan out at 18 are extremely rare. There's many years where there's not a single one in an entire draft. They usually take around 3+ years to reach their offensive prime and a good 5+ years to reach their defensive prime.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Montreal need accrued space for the performance bonus. They have a $1,170,000 cap penalty this season because of no accrued cap space last year to "pay" those bonus.

Montreal is using the LTIR pool, they can't "accrue" cap space.