HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Hannibal]

Id rather they add some size in the top 6. I don't care about those ten minutes a game scrub.

That i would like too. But harder to do.

At least having physical fourth liner could prevent X from fighting multiple times. And bring something else to the lineup.

 

[yianik]

Wade Allison on waivers - he’d be a great pickup to play on a line with Pezzetta, mullets and bodies flying everywhere. They look like they might even be related.

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We would have 2 of 3 musketeers.

 

[BLONG7]

Yes I would trade for a project with good pedigree if the cost was appropriate. The cost for drafting a project with questionable pedigree with the 1OA is too much for me, so I wouldn’t have drafted Slaf with the 1OA just as I wouldn’t trade a 1OA for Laf in his D+4 year. I don’t see how this is incoherent.

I think Laf’s upside means he should be considered as a target (at the right price) even if he wasn’t from Québec.

Of course I want Slafkovsky to morph into a good player, why wouldn’t I?

You are all over the place.............
You are constantly $hitting on Slaf, and the Habs for what they are doing, and yet you want another project like Laf?? Good pedigree?? He has looked below average......going into year 4
Slaf then, by your metric deserves 2 more years, and if he only produces 30 points you will be happy we have a Laf on our hands??

Let's leave Laf to the Rangers, and watch how Slaf develops into a much better player.....if he does great, if he does not, then we move on from such project, as the Rangers ma do, with their 1OA......

Why would we want TWO of those? You seem to want nothing to do with projects, but you do with Laf??? I have yet to see anything special from him....

 

[Miller Time]

If Washington wants to compete this year and next

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How about:​

Mantha
Milano
2024 1st
2025 2nd

for:​

Anderson
Evans
Ylonen

WAS gets a big winger with a harder game than Mantha, a young vet C who can defend and kill penalties and has been good in the playoffs, and a young former high 2nd rounder with NHL skating who has a shot at becoming a third liner.

Habs add draft capital and cap space starting 2024-25

I'm not crazy about Anderson at his cap hit, but, with our current group I do think he's an important fit in our top 9... not sure id part with him for less than an overpayment...

Mantha + 2nd for Ylonen (or Evans) seems about right, is a 1st & Milano for Anderson & Evans (Ylonen) enough... maybe but I'd probably push for more.

 

[26Mats]

I'm not crazy about Anderson at his cap hit, but, with our current group I do think he's an important fit in our top 9... not sure id part with him for less than an overpayment...

Mantha + 2nd for Ylonen (or Evans) seems about right, is a 1st & Milano for Anderson & Evans (Ylonen) enough... maybe but I'd probably push for more.

Anderson is looking like he may explode this year. He's been growing his game under MSL.

 

[1909]

Anderson is looking like he may explode this year. He's been growing his game under MSL.

Anderson will be fine. Keep him as a middle-six RW.

 

[Miller Time]

Anderson is looking like he may explode this year. He's been growing his game under MSL.

I'm not holding my breath... but I see that as well and wouldn't be surprised to see a career year if he stays healthy

 

[ReHabs]

What high end offensive prospect was available? We got screwed on Michkov having complications or we would’ve been able to get a Ben Smith. But there was a significant drop off after the top 5 forwards. Seven other teams passed on Benson and I’m not seeing a high end forward there either unless something changes. There were no clear cut blue chip prospects at forward available so we picked a position of need that fell in the same talent range as the players around him.

Just because other teams passed on a prospect doesn’t make being one of the dumb teams any better. There is no solidarity in failure.

And we didn’t get screwed on Michkov, it’s looking very strongly like we screwed ourselves.

They could have very well botched the rebuild entirely. This is a pessimistic view but it is entirely valid and justified given modern Habs history to have less then zero faith in prospect development going right for us.

 

[Ezpz]

Anderson is looking like he may explode this year. He's been growing his game under MSL.

Do we get complete cap relief if players explode?

 

[ReHabs]

You are all over the place.............
You are constantly $hitting on Slaf, and the Habs for what they are doing, and yet you want another project like Laf?? Good pedigree?? He has looked below average......going into year 4
Slaf then, by your metric deserves 2 more years, and if he only produces 30 points you will be happy we have a Laf on our hands??

Laf’s strengths are completely different than Slafkovsky’s strengths. Their weaknesses are completely different too.

Slafkovsky deserves many more years, I want his success.

Let's leave Laf to the Rangers, and watch how Slaf develops into a much better player.....if he does great, if he does not, then we move on from such project, as the Rangers ma do, with their 1OA......

Okay sure.

Why would we want TWO of those? You seem to want nothing to do with projects, but you do with Laf??? I have yet to see anything special from him....

It was a “buy-low” thing for a player with skills. I would buy-low on a 22 year old Jonathan Drouin as well — the problem was Bergevin paid a lot more than he should have, it was a bad bet.

The Habs bought-low with Kirby Dach and Alex Newhook. Not sure what the problem is… I’d rather see them gamble on a skilled young player than not. But I am not too fussed about Laf, I don’t particularly care about him. I’d buy low on Kakko too.

 

[1909]

Laf’s strengths are completely different than Slafkovsky’s strengths. Their weaknesses are completely different too.

Slafkovsky deserves many more years, I want his success.

Okay sure.

It was a “buy-low” thing for a player with skills. I would buy-low on a 22 year old Jonathan Drouin as well — the problem was Bergevin paid a lot more than he should have, it was a bad bet.

The Habs bought-low with Kirby Dach and Alex Newhook. Not sure what the problem is… I’d rather see them gamble on a skilled young player than not. But I am not too fussed about Laf, I don’t particularly care about him. I’d buy low on Kakko too.

Trading for Kakko or Laf would seem like Gorton wants to mop up his previous mistakes. He already signed Lias Andresson, and Kravstov is back in the KHL. Let's cross our fingers now and hope that Slaf and Reinbacher won't be huge busts as those.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

Gurianov waived by Nashville. For the few that would have liked to see him back, he's not even sticking elsewhere.

 

[Habs Icing]

I remember him being so good at the WJC, I have to believe there's more in him.

I was going to post the same thing.. When he came back from the injury that looked serious, he took that Canadian team, put it on his back and brought home the gold. I haven't really seen him in NHL but I'm having problems reconciling that player at the WJC with the one being discussed in this thread.

 

[le_sean]

Anderson will be fine. Keep him as a middle-six RW.

Or trade him for a ransom. He’s never been consistent but that type of player profile is very coveted in this league. Habs could get multiple good pieces for him.

 

[Miller Time]

Or trade him for a ransom. He’s never been consistent but that type of player profile is very coveted in this league. Habs could get multiple good pieces for him.

With the cap increase news for next season, if Anderson has a good year I'd imagine there would be some very big offers made next summer. That 5.5M becomes much easier to fit in with the cap going up 4-6M.

 

[ReHabs]

With the cap increase news for next season, if Anderson has a good year I'd imagine there would be some very big offers made next summer. That 5.5M becomes much easier to fit in with the cap going up 4-6M.

The other thing with Anderson is his age, he is 29 now and will be 30 by the end of the season. Is it fair to him to spend his few remaining years of prime power on a hopeless team? Move him to a contender for his own sake, as much as anybody else he deserves a shot at another Cup run.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

The other thing with Anderson is his age, he is 29 now and will be 30 by the end of the season. Is it fair to him to spend his few remaining years of prime power on a hopeless team? Move him to a contender for his own sake, as much as anybody else he deserves a shot at another Cup run.

It all depends on Anderson himself. If he can have a very good season, there are good chances many team would be interested, otherwise there won't be any demand for him.

 

[DAChampion]

The other thing with Anderson is his age, he is 29 now and will be 30 by the end of the season. Is it fair to him to spend his few remaining years of prime power on a hopeless team? Move him to a contender for his own sake, as much as anybody else he deserves a shot at another Cup run.

A very good point.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Anderson is looking like he may explode this year. He's been growing his game under MSL.

Sadly heard this one the last 2 years

 

[Notabaguette]

Keep Anderson we are competing in 2 years and need vets

 

[Runner77]

I agree he wasn’t a reach at 5OA and have repeatedly defended the Habs against that criticism… but that doesn’t make him the right choice for the Habs. We badly needed high upside forward prospects two years ago, we badly needed high upside forward prospects last year, and we continue to badly need high upside forward prospects today.

Even assuming Reinbacher will develop perfectly fine and hit his upside, it seems both Hughes and Reinbacher’s Swiss coach really do not see him as a 1D. I mean, of all comparables Jeff Petry?

Drafting a Jeff Petry is a fine outcome for the 5OA but it doesn’t move the needle and won’t be the sort of player you tank a season in hopes of acquiring. Benson will soon reveal himself as a stud, and heaven knows how much Michkov can show.

Don’t you think the Habs should stop playing political games and psychology on themselves and start acquiring the prospected with the highest upside? It would be a refreshing change.

Isn’t it still too early to know what Reinbacher can become or whatever Benson may turn into, for that matter?

We’re seeing how other teams were looking to move up at the draft in the hopes of landing Reinbacher. Were these other teams’s rankings, flawed?

We all know this team is missing elite scoring forwards however, I don’t like the idea of drafting for need with a 5OA. Maybe the Habs’ scouting felt there was more than enough separation between Reinbacher at the 5th slot and whoever was taken after.

As for the Jeff Petry comps, it’s one guy’s opinion. Development ain’t linear, we’ll have to wait it out.

 

[themilosh]

I'm not holding my breath... but I see that as well and wouldn't be surprised to see a career year if he stays healthy*

*It's crazy how this disclaimer has crept into almost every prediction on our players...

 

[DAChampion]

*It's crazy how this disclaimer has crept into almost every prediction on our players...

Habs players have always gotten a lot of injuries particularly drafted players.

Kostitsyn, Chipchura, Price, Leblanc, Tinordi, Galchenyuk, Juulsen, Kotkaniemi, all suffered significant injuries with awful timing.

 

[therocket9]

Keep Anderson we are competing in 2 years and need vets

Not competing in 2 years not competing until they get a #1 goalie.

 

[26Mats]

Sadly heard this one the last 2 years

I was a big time Anderson hater, until last year.

He turned things around and it has continued in the preseason. We'll see if he's really improved himself. He is the type that worked on his game. Even the 20 goal 15 assist guy was a product of a lot of work, compared to what he was when he was drafted. He's the type to work relentlessly on his game.