HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Beendair Donedat]

When was the last time Habs actually “hit something big” at the draft? Caufield? 2007 triumvirate? Before that?

Guhle - I think he has all the tools to be a number one guy in this league for a long time. A terrific skater and two way defender.

Mailloux - not without it’s blowback but he has the most offensive upside for a Dman, since that PK fella came up as a rookie. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him called up this year, even with all of his time missed. He’s the real deal.

Reinbacher - the guy most likely to be on that top pairing with Guhle. Great size, great skater, physical and sneaky good offensively. Very good first pass and great vision. I see him as a hybrid between Ryan Suter and Mattias Ekholm.

 

[DAChampion]

Slaf is entering yr 2 ELC, Lafreniere is exiting ELC and closer to UFA - market value is predicated on contract status

Your counterargument is weak.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

give me Kakko instead

 

[Captain Mountain]

So, how much would you trade to acquire another Slaf,?

I'm not sure how anyone could think that they're at all analogous outside of being 1st OA picks, but remember that going into Lafreniere's D+2 season Rangers fans wanted Caufield and Montreal's 1st for Lafreniere.

 

[That Habs Fan]

Guhle - I think he has all the tools to be a number one guy in this league for a long time. A terrific skater and two way defender.

Mailloux - not without it’s blowback but he has the most offensive upside for a Dman, since that PK fella came up as a rookie. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him called up this year, even with all of his time missed. He’s the real deal.

Reinbacher - the guy most likely to be on that top pairing with Guhle. Great size, great skater, physical and sneaky good offensively. Very good first pass and great vision. I see him as a hybrid between Ryan Suter and Mattias Ekholm.

Good post.

I see Reinbacher as a Hamrlik equivalent, which is a huge compliment as Hamrlik was an elite, very underrated dman imho.

 

[26Mats]

Definitely would be nice to move one of our young LD (Trudeau, Norlinder, Harris, or Struble) or two of them in a package for Lafreniere.

Guhle - I think he has all the tools to be a number one guy in this league for a long time. A terrific skater and two way defender.

Mailloux - not without it’s blowback but he has the most offensive upside for a Dman, since that PK fella came up as a rookie. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him called up this year, even with all of his time missed. He’s the real deal.

Reinbacher - the guy most likely to be on that top pairing with Guhle. Great size, great skater, physical and sneaky good offensively. Very good first pass and great vision. I see him as a hybrid between Ryan Suter and Mattias Ekholm.

plus Hutson, maybe Engstrom, and more.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Denisenko is available for free.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Denisenko is available for free.

A lot of worthless things are available for free..

As someone who isn't a fan of Ylonen, I take Ylonen 10 times out of 10

 

[ReHabs]

“Lafreniere looks like an undrafted player on a pro tryout in training camp. »

-Larry Brooks, New York Post

You could easily say that about Slafkovsky too. Some good plays, a lot of nothing. Doesn’t seem like he belongs on the team or the league. His player cards indicated as much — only had standout showing against Ottawa’s B team.

The only difference is Laf is literally stuck behind two very good players and Slaf has no such excuse. Laf has some good underlying stats and Slaf has no good underlying stats.

I’d take a chance on Laf just because of his pedigree.

 

[ReHabs]

Good post.

I see Reinbacher as a Hamrlik equivalent, which is a huge compliment as Hamrlik was an elite, very underrated dman imho.

Despite him being a 1OA himself, you don’t tank to draft Hamrliks. That’s the problem with this picture.

We need elite players and we have drafted zero of prospects with elite upside with the 1OA and 5OA.

 

[sampollock]

habs dont need wavier dudes. the need is through a trade down the road or dead line.

waviers are fodder for them now

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Good post.

I see Reinbacher as a Hamrlik equivalent, which is a huge compliment as Hamrlik was an elite, very underrated dman imho.

Which Hamrlik ?

The one that entered the league and was quite good offensively, but then changed how he played and became more defensively aware ?

 

[Jaynki]

You could easily say that about Slafkovsky too. Some good plays, a lot of nothing. Doesn’t seem like he belongs on the team or the league. His player cards indicated as much — only had standout showing against Ottawa’s B team.

I am probably biased to the other end of the spectrum but this feel biased a lot.

 

[HuGort]

39pts in 81gp is not bad for a 21 years old tbh. Even for a first overall.

Looking at it like that it is.

 

[nhlfan9191]

You could easily say that about Slafkovsky too. Some good plays, a lot of nothing. Doesn’t seem like he belongs on the team or the league. His player cards indicated as much — only had standout showing against Ottawa’s B team.

The only difference is Laf is literally stuck behind two very good players and Slaf has no such excuse. Laf has some good underlying stats and Slaf has no good underlying stats.

I’d take a chance on Laf just because of his pedigree.

Slafkovsky has a few years to change that. On top of that Slaf is bigger and is actually a very good skater in comparison to concrete skates Lafreniere which will always make him more valuable. If he never finds a way to reach any high end offence, there’s always going to be an opportunity to groom him into an effective NHLer at some capacity. Lafreniere looks like he just kind of exists like a Drouin. And I’m not comparing him to Drouin because they’re both French. I’m comparing them because they both just seem to float around to disappoint.

 

[BLONG7]

You could easily say that about Slafkovsky too. Some good plays, a lot of nothing. Doesn’t seem like he belongs on the team or the league. His player cards indicated as much — only had standout showing against Ottawa’s B team.

The only difference is Laf is literally stuck behind two very good players and Slaf has no such excuse. Laf has some good underlying stats and Slaf has no good underlying stats.

I’d take a chance on Laf just because of his pedigree.

You would take a chance, on another project??

 

[Miller Time]

Guhle - I think he has all the tools to be a number one guy in this league for a long time. A terrific skater and two way defender.

Mailloux - not without it’s blowback but he has the most offensive upside for a Dman, since that PK fella came up as a rookie. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him called up this year, even with all of his time missed. He’s the real deal.

Reinbacher - the guy most likely to be on that top pairing with Guhle. Great size, great skater, physical and sneaky good offensively. Very good first pass and great vision. I see him as a hybrid between Ryan Suter and Mattias Ekholm.

Hutson, Roy & Engstrom all have potential to hit top line/pair if not elite status as pros. A lot of growth and commitment still to go, but each have shown signs of that kind of potential

 

[ReHabs]

You would take a chance, on another project??

Laf’s reputation as a dynamic playmaking winger is attractive enough to try to acquire.

His skating isn’t great but I’d hope under MSL’s loose system he could find a way to blossom.

I wouldn’t draft projects with the 1OA I’d trade for them with less important assets (like 2nd round picks etc)

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I wish I had bookmarked the link.

Looking for it, I now see that the Rangers did ask for a 1st rounder to not only the Habs but other teams as well:

The Kravtsov asking price definitely went down because according to Canucks insider Rick Dhaliwal, the Rangers wanted a 1st round pick for Kravtsov …

LINK

The Nucks were persistent and got the Rangers to bend. Don’t know how Hughes handled the initial offer.

That is kind of what I thought as I have yet to come across any real evidence of Montreal pursuing Kravtsov or them asking Montreal for a first. Obviously discussions took place with Vancouver as a deal was eventually consumated.

This is not to say that Hughes did not inquire as I have no evidence of that although the burden of proof always lies on the party making the claim that an event happened. To be clear I don't think you are making anything up as I have been the victim of conflating comments and events in the past only to be proven wrong. I am not even suggesting that you are conflating old information/memory but it is just a variable among many others including the possibility that I missed Hughes/Gorton/MSL etc saying that he/they had inquired which is the only form of proof that is actually acceptable. Anything coming from "insiders" (who rarely actually are insiders) other than direct quotes is just speculation.

I am not saying that I think it happened or that I don't believe it happened. I just haven't seen any compelling evidence that it happened and one of my closest friends is a huge Rangers fan and any news of this would have certainly sparked a debate between us as he was a huge Kravtsov supporter early on and I had my doubts lol.

As for the topic that segued into this one.....I would strongly consider acquiring Lafreniere if he interviewed well prior to the transaction. I think people are giving up way too soon on him.

 

[ZUKI]

I'm not sure how anyone could think that they're at all analogous outside of being 1st OA picks, but remember that going into Lafreniere's D+2 season Rangers fans wanted Caufield and Montreal's 1st for Lafreniere.

I remember that as a Habs fan, i want Lafrenière d+2 for Gallagher. D+ 20. Straight.
Reality or wishes = GMs or Fans, so i don't give a shit at the Rangers fans wishes

 

[Mrb1p]

I wonder if the Pens would do something like Ylonen for Carter and a 2nd.

Would probably allow them to get another piece later down the line if their season is going as it should.

 

[Miller Time]

I wonder if the Pens would do something like Ylonen for Carter and a 2nd.

Would probably allow them to get another piece later down the line if their season is going as it should.

With their '24 1st gone and their '25 2nd already ours, not sure they'd be looking to swap bottom 6 & pay a 2nd for ~2.4M in cap room... losing that 2nd would make leveraging that cap space to go shopping that much harder, they might as well keep the vet & the pick and wait till later in the year to leverage injury & pro rated cap room I'd imagine.

Mantha in Wash or Myers in Van strike me as more likely targets for cap vs pick type swap in the early part of the season at least

 

[Mrb1p]

With their '24 1st gone and their '25 2nd already ours, not sure they'd be looking to swap bottom 6 & pay a 2nd for ~2.4M in cap room... losing that 2nd would make leveraging that cap space to go shopping that much harder, they might as well keep the vet & the pick and wait till later in the year to leverage injury & pro rated cap room I'd imagine.

Mantha in Wash or Myers in Van strike me as more likely targets for cap vs pick type swap in the early part of the season at least

Washington doesn't really need cap, I think theyre done competing.

The Pens would still have Yager, Pickering and a few other B/C pieces to offer without their second.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I wonder if the Pens would do something like Ylonen for Carter and a 2nd.

Would probably allow them to get another piece later down the line if their season is going as it should.

NMC for Carter, so that likely dies there.

 

[Andrei79]

You could easily say that about Slafkovsky too.

Absolutely not.