HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Andrei79]

Despite him being a 1OA himself, you don’t tank to draft Hamrliks. That’s the problem with this picture.

We need elite players and we have drafted zero of prospects with elite upside with the 1OA and 5OA.

And what would a team do in a draft like 1992, invent an elite player ? Of the top 10 that draft, only Yashin became a star and we know the type of headaches that surrounded him. Of all the players in that draft, Hamrlik was the one with the most games. Sometimes you luck out and tank in a good year, other times it happens in years like 1992 where there aren't that many great talents, if any. The upside is high with both Slaf and Reinbacher in any case.

 

[Ezpz]

Hamrlik was also generational handsome.

 

[Miller Time]

Washington doesn't really need cap, I think theyre done competing.

The Pens would still have Yager, Pickering and a few other B/C pieces to offer without their second.

I don't think Wash is done... I think they knew this year was a tough one, but leonsis & Ovie I'm sure are eyeing a cup run before he's done.
Extending Wilson, adding Eddy & paying a pretty penny for Strome (which is all they could fit in under the cap) were all "now" moves, I think they are hoping Kuz bounces back & McMichael steps into a prominent role.

With Carlson back & Backstrom rounding back into top 6 form, turning Mantha's (who appears to be having a lackluster preseason) cap hit into something that helps I bet is their current priority.

they are down a 2nd this year, but have 3x2nd in '25, and all their 1sts.

I think we'll see them pay to offload his cap hit, and while it's the right profile for us (once season starts & Price's LTIR cap space is activated), I'm not sure his lackadaisical approach will fly unless it comes at a premium. Will the caps find another dance partner, I'm not so sure. Maybe SJ? Or a team that loses a high salary top 6 player for the season early in the year?

 

[SlafySZN]

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[Beendair Donedat]

Wade Allison on waivers - he’d be a great pickup to play on a line with Pezzetta, mullets and bodies flying everywhere. They look like they might even be related.

 

[ReHabs]

And what would a team do in a draft like 1992, invent an elite player ? Of the top 10 that draft, only Yashin became a star and we know the type of headaches that surrounded him. Of all the players in that draft, Hamrlik was the one with the most games. Sometimes you luck out and tank in a good year, other times it happens in years like 1992 where there aren't that many great talents, if any. The upside is high with both Slaf and Reinbacher in any case.

What made you think I was re-litigating the 1992 draft?

In the case of Reinbacher and this 2023 draft, there was a lot explicitly stated about the abundance of high upside players available — even at 5th. Taking one who is called the D-2, and later compared to Jeff Petry, is not encouraging and will not be well received by Habs fans no matter how many Serious Sober Fans run interference and claim this is perfectly fine.

 

[salbutera]

I wonder if the Pens would do something like Ylonen for Carter and a 2nd.

Would probably allow them to get another piece later down the line if their season is going as it should.

ZERO chance Carter waives for Mtl - it took immense cajoling for him to waive for Pit from LAK

 

[BaseballCoach]

I don't think Wash is done... I think they knew this year was a tough one, but leonsis & Ovie I'm sure are eyeing a cup run before he's done.
Extending Wilson, adding Eddy & paying a pretty penny for Strome (which is all they could fit in under the cap) were all "now" moves, I think they are hoping Kuz bounces back & McMichael steps into a prominent role.

With Carlson back & Backstrom rounding back into top 6 form, turning Mantha's (who appears to be having a lackluster preseason) cap hit into something that helps I bet is their current priority.

they are down a 2nd this year, but have 3x2nd in '25, and all their 1sts.

I think we'll see them pay to offload his cap hit, and while it's the right profile for us (once season starts & Price's LTIR cap space is activated), I'm not sure his lackadaisical approach will fly unless it comes at a premium. Will the caps find another dance partner, I'm not so sure. Maybe SJ? Or a team that loses a high salary top 6 player for the season early in the year?

If Washington wants to compete this year and next

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How about:​

Mantha
Milano
2024 1st
2025 2nd

for:​

Anderson
Evans
Ylonen

WAS gets a big winger with a harder game than Mantha, a young vet C who can defend and kill penalties and has been good in the playoffs, and a young former high 2nd rounder with NHL skating who has a shot at becoming a third liner.

Habs add draft capital and cap space starting 2024-25

 

[Hannibal]

Would love a duo of Pezzetta and Allison on our fourth line.

No more softies on our fourth line.

Armia, Ylonen, Evans, Gallagher. Digusting NHL fourth line.

 

[BLONG7]

Laf’s reputation as a dynamic playmaking winger is attractive enough to try to acquire.

His skating isn’t great but I’d hope under MSL’s loose system he could find a way to blossom.

I wouldn’t draft projects with the 1OA I’d trade for them with less important assets (like 2nd round picks etc)

Sorry, what? You wouldn't draft a project with 1OA, but you would trade for one?
What if Laf was from BC and not Que?? Does that change the narrative?

So if I am thinking about this, you are not OK with Slaf morphing into a good player, but you are OK with Laf morphing into a good player, taking longer than most #1 overall?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Wade Allison on waivers - he’d be a great pickup to play on a line with Pezzetta, mullets and bodies flying everywhere. They look like they might even be related.

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If that's Wade, he looks like Owen Tippet.

Get all 3 and have a "Brothers from different mothers, but maybe not fathers" line.

 

[DAChampion]

What if Laf was from BC and not Que?? Does that change the narrative?

Of course not.

 

[BLONG7]

Of course not.

Waiting on ReHabs to answer that...........................what could be reason then eh?

 

[nhlfan9191]

What made you think I was re-litigating the 1992 draft?

In the case of Reinbacher and this 2023 draft, there was a lot explicitly stated about the abundance of high upside players available — even at 5th. Taking one who is called the D-2, and later compared to Jeff Petry, is not encouraging and will not be well received by Habs fans no matter how many Serious Sober Fans run interference and claim this is perfectly fine.

Reinbacher was just as talented as everyone in the conversation for the 5th overall outside of Michkov who wasn’t picked for political reasons. We badly need defence and we got the best defensive prospect at this time in the draft. It’s a big plus that he’s a RHD.

 

[ReHabs]

Sorry, what? You wouldn't draft a project with 1OA, but you would trade for one?
What if Laf was from BC and not Que?? Does that change the narrative?

So if I am thinking about this, you are not OK with Slaf morphing into a good player, but you are OK with Laf morphing into a good player, taking longer than most #1 overall?

Yes I would trade for a project with good pedigree if the cost was appropriate. The cost for drafting a project with questionable pedigree with the 1OA is too much for me, so I wouldn’t have drafted Slaf with the 1OA just as I wouldn’t trade a 1OA for Laf in his D+4 year. I don’t see how this is incoherent.

I think Laf’s upside means he should be considered as a target (at the right price) even if he wasn’t from Québec.

Of course I want Slafkovsky to morph into a good player, why wouldn’t I?

 

[ReHabs]

Reinbacher was just as talented as everyone in the conversation for the 5th overall outside of Michkov who wasn’t picked for political reasons. We badly need defence and we got the best defensive prospect at this time in the draft. It’s a big plus that he’s a RHD.

I agree he wasn’t a reach at 5OA and have repeatedly defended the Habs against that criticism… but that doesn’t make him the right choice for the Habs. We badly needed high upside forward prospects two years ago, we badly needed high upside forward prospects last year, and we continue to badly need high upside forward prospects today.

Even assuming Reinbacher will develop perfectly fine and hit his upside, it seems both Hughes and Reinbacher’s Swiss coach really do not see him as a 1D. I mean, of all comparables Jeff Petry?

Drafting a Jeff Petry is a fine outcome for the 5OA but it doesn’t move the needle and won’t be the sort of player you tank a season in hopes of acquiring. Benson will soon reveal himself as a stud, and heaven knows how much Michkov can show.

Don’t you think the Habs should stop playing political games and psychology on themselves and start acquiring the prospected with the highest upside? It would be a refreshing change.

 

[26Mats]

Yes I would trade for a project with good pedigree if the cost was appropriate. The cost for drafting a project with questionable pedigree with the 1OA is too much for me, so I wouldn’t have drafted Slaf with the 1OA just as I wouldn’t trade a 1OA for Laf in his D+4 year. I don’t see how this is incoherent.

I think Laf’s upside means he should be considered as a target (at the right price) even if he wasn’t from Québec.

Of course I want Slafkovsky to morph into a good player, why wouldn’t I?

The most I'd give up Laff is a package including 2 of Engstrom, Harris, and Norlinder, plus a roster player at 50% retained like Pearson, or Armia. Depending on how my scouting and pro scouting teams see it, I may include Ylonen over Pearson/Armia.

 

[Sterling Archer]

The biggest issue for me with Reinbacher is that it was an offensive heavy draft and they took a D when the next draft will be D heavy and they need elite offence.

Reinbacher looks like he could be a very good D, but I don’t see a no. 1, top end level skill with him when there was that level of talent available in a forward.

 

[DAChampion]

The biggest issue for me with Reinbacher is that it was an offensive heavy draft and they took a D when the next draft will be D heavy and they need elite offence.

In my opinion that's one of the worst arguments presented.

We have no idea what's going to be available at the Habs' pick next year and it shouldn't matter.

And if there's no player the Habs' want? Trade the pick for a king's ransom.

 

[WeThreeKings]

If Allison, Sokolov and Denisenko all pass through waivers.. then Ylonen is probably safe.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I agree he wasn’t a reach at 5OA and have repeatedly defended the Habs against that criticism… but that doesn’t make him the right choice for the Habs. We badly needed high upside forward prospects two years ago, we badly needed high upside forward prospects last year, and we continue to badly need high upside forward prospects today.

Even assuming Reinbacher will develop perfectly fine and hit his upside, it seems both Hughes and Reinbacher’s Swiss coach really do not see him as a 1D. I mean, of all comparables Jeff Petry?

Drafting a Jeff Petry is a fine outcome for the 5OA but it doesn’t move the needle and won’t be the sort of player you tank a season in hopes of acquiring. Benson will soon reveal himself as a stud, and heaven knows how much Michkov can show.

Don’t you think the Habs should stop playing political games and psychology on themselves and start acquiring the prospected with the highest upside? It would be a refreshing change.

What high end offensive prospect was available? We got screwed on Michkov having complications or we would’ve been able to get a Ben Smith. But there was a significant drop off after the top 5 forwards. Seven other teams passed on Benson and I’m not seeing a high end forward there either unless something changes. There were no clear cut blue chip prospects at forward available so we picked a position of need that fell in the same talent range as the players around him.

 

[Hannibal]

If Allison, Sokolov and Denisenko all pass through waivers.. then Ylonen is probably safe.

Ylonen was always safe in waiver. Every teams have half-dozen Ylonen type of players in organisation.

 

[Hannibal]

I really wish the management team would be serious about toughen up that fourth line.

Tell my why we have to dress vanilla soft player on our fourth line that doesn’t bring anything else than our top 3 lines?

 

[Mrb1p]

I really wish the management team would be serious about toughen up that fourth line.

Tell my why we have to dress vanilla soft player on our fourth line that doesn’t bring anything else than our top 3 lines?

Id rather they add some size in the top 6. I don't care about those ten minutes a game scrub.

 

[Sterling Archer]

In my opinion that's one of the worst arguments presented.

We have no idea what's going to be available at the Habs' pick next year and it shouldn't matter.

And if there's no player the Habs' want? Trade the pick for a king's ransom.

It’s one of the worst arguments to draft an elite offensive player for a team who needs one desperately in a draft full of them only to draft a D, of which they have tons of prospects, when the next draft will be stacked with incredible D prospects and virtually no elite offensive prospects after the top 3?

I’ve heard worse arguments.