HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[themilosh]

Habs players have always gotten a lot of injuries particularly drafted players.

Kostitsyn, Chipchura, Price, Leblanc, Tinordi, Galchenyuk, Juulsen, Kotkaniemi, all suffered significant injuries with awful timing.

Terry ryan, saku koivu, richard zednick, donAld audette, max patioreadyq

 

[HabzSauce]

Guhle - Savard
Matheson - Barron
Xhekaj - Norlinder
Harris - Lidstrom

Too many D! I wonder if we could swing Savard to VAN to clear up some room. They seem desperate for a RD to compliment Hughes.

Ideally we trade Harris tho. Quickly. Not sure how much higher his value can be and I see no future for him here

 

[salbutera]

Isn’t it still too early to know what Reinbacher can become or whatever Benson may turn into, for that matter?

We’re seeing how other teams were looking to move up at the draft in the hopes of landing Reinbacher. Were these other teams’s rankings, flawed?

We all know this team is missing elite scoring forwards however, I don’t like the idea of drafting for need with a 5OA. Maybe the Habs’ scouting felt there was more than enough separation between Reinbacher at the 5th slot and whoever was taken after.

As for the Jeff Petry comps, it’s one guy’s opinion. Development ain’t linear, we’ll have to wait it out.

That opinion by Gerry Fleming was based on “players (he) personally coached” as he stated emphatically

 

[Bottle Rocket]

Guhle - Savard
Matheson - Barron
Xhekaj - Norlinder
Harris - Lidstrom

Too many D! I wonder if we could swing Savard to VAN to clear up some room. They seem desperate for a RD to compliment Hughes.

Ideally we trade Harris tho. Quickly. Not sure how much higher his value can be and I see no future for him here

You don't like Kovacevic?

 

[HabzSauce]

You don't like Kovacevic?

Jeez man I totally forgot. I knew I was missing something when I had Barron at 2RD

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Kovacevic
Xhekaj - Norlinder

Barron to Laval. Lidstrom as 7D and trade Harris

 

[BaseballCoach]

Jeez man I totally forgot. I knew I was missing something when I had Barron at 2RD

Matheson - Savard
Guhle - Kovacevic
Xhekaj - Norlinder

Barron to Laval. Lidstrom as 7D and trade Harris

What is the return you want for Harris?

 

[HabzSauce]

What is the return you want for Harris?

Harris alone, is a 2nd fair?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Harris alone, is a 2nd fair?

Assume we can't get a 2nd. Do you trade him for a 4th?

 

[HabzSauce]

Assume we can't get a 2nd. Do you trade him for a 4th?

Depends. If we get lots of injuries again it's fine he can stay. But if we're healthy, I'd really hate to have to rotate them around like we did last year so they can all get ice time. i want Xhekaj playing full time this year - I value him long term for the Habs. Same goes for Norlinder but short term value. Let him develop more confidence over a whole year in the NHL so his trade value raises. And he gives Habs more options currently with his skillset vs vanilla Harris. So I value that too

I say by early December, if we're healthy, and a 4th is the best we can do for Harris, I'd do it.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Depends. If we get lots of injuries again it's fine he can stay. But if we're healthy, I'd really hate to have to rotate them around like we did last year so they can all get ice time. i want Xhekaj playing full time this year - I value him long term for the Habs. Same goes for Norlinder but short term value. Let him develop more confidence over a whole year in the NHL so his trade value raises. And he gives Habs more options currently with his skillset vs vanilla Harris. So I value that too

I say by early December, if we're healthy, and a 4th is the best we can do for Harris, I'd do it.

Do you know that he does not need to sit out here in the bikgs? Because he is waiver-exempt?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

To be fair to Laf he isn't our 1st overall pick.

I think there's something there for laf to be a solid 3rd liner, maybe a 2nd liner.

He had a solid playoffs for the Rangers 2 years ago.

Yeah, 2 goals, 9 points on 20 games, but he was effective with his play, too.

He's a player that can get 15 + goals a season.

As long as people don't associate with acquiring solely because he's "un gar de chez nous" fans could like him. He's physical but skilled.

Coming here could be a good thing, or it could be worse than staying in New York. Any other team it's pretty much a good thing.

Maybe he and Slaf divide the attention and they both can deal a little better.

Depending on the cost, I'd say it's worth the cost.

Drouin wasn’t our first overall pick either but that didn’t stop him from being the whipping boy.

Maybe we can rescue him, I don’t know. But I’m just not sure if it’s worrh the effort. He’s had a horrible camp… you’d think he’d be running with it but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

 

[HabzSauce]

Do you know that he does not need to sit out here in the bikgs? Because he is waiver-exempt?

True I guess you could play him In Laval. 2nd pair for me tho I'd want Trudeau and Mailloux playing most minutes.

But if all he's worth is a 4th what's the point in holding on other than to bolster Laval? He's 23, and while he plays a smart game, he lacks size, physicality, plays no special teams and has a muffin shot. I don't see his value getting any much higher than it currently is.

I'm confident he can be a regular NHL player but he needs opportunity which he won't have here. At best with the Habs, he's bottom pairing D rotating in and out of lineup (barring injuries).

Maybe I'm dreaming in hoping for a 2nd. A 4th seems too far off as well tho so Maybe realistically, a 3rd is more fair value? I'd do it for a 3rd.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Armia + Barron +5th for someone 3rd pick

 

[HabzSauce]

Armia + Barron +5th for someone 3rd pick

Replace Barron with Harris and that would be pretty good.

I'm down to trade Barron but he has more value than that with upside still

 

[Habssince89]

Okay here's my pitch -- Barron+ for a cheap youngish C that projects or is a high-end bottom sixer. Basically a solid 3C but a lights out 4C. Obviously defensive minded. If we can get that, we've saved ourselves a lot of time searching for a strong bottom six to compete. Secondly, with Suzuki/Dach/Monahan/Newhook in the lineup already, it really creates potential for a rock solid 1-4 and help reduce the d-zone errors that lead to goals against our sub-par goaltending. Thirdly, it will insulate the glut of young forwards that are starting to populate the Habs roster over the next few seasons. And if our prospect pool eventually pushes this 4C out then we have another asset to move.

Barron could end up being a strong offenisve Dman but we can move on. I hope that Hughes goes out and acquires specific players like the one I've described. We need to be proactive and not wait for all the prospects to reach their potential to get them support. I'm not suggesting being big buyers at the TDL or anything, but we can stand to just lock down the 4C spot and start building as strong a 4th line as we can.

The remaining question would be goaltending, but that's both very hard to prescribe solutions and its histroically a strength of the habs so I'll leave it to them.

I think this deal could be done because its trading high ceiling for high floor. seems like a hockey deal could get done with some light adds?

 

[RationalExpectations]

Okay here's my pitch -- Barron+ for a cheap youngish C that projects or is a high-end bottom sixer. Basically a solid 3C but a lights out 4C. Obviously defensive minded. If we can get that, we've saved ourselves a lot of time searching for a strong bottom six to compete. Secondly, with Suzuki/Dach/Monahan/Newhook in the lineup already, it really creates potential for a rock solid 1-4 and help reduce the d-zone errors that lead to goals against our sub-par goaltending. Thirdly, it will insulate the glut of young forwards that are starting to populate the Habs roster over the next few seasons. And if our prospect pool eventually pushes this 4C out then we have another asset to move.

Barron could end up being a strong offenisve Dman but we can move on. I hope that Hughes goes out and acquires specific players like the one I've described. We need to be proactive and not wait for all the prospects to reach their potential to get them support. I'm not suggesting being big buyers at the TDL or anything, but we can stand to just lock down the 4C spot and start building as strong a 4th line as we can.

The remaining question would be goaltending, but that's both very hard to prescribe solutions and its histroically a strength of the habs so I'll leave it to them.

I think this deal could be done because its trading high ceiling for high floor. seems like a hockey deal could get done with some light adds?

First time MTL has a strong defensive pool and people are so eager to trade them. We don t know who will succeed and bust. The right side is not really deep either: Reinbacher Mailloux Barron Kovacevic (if you want to keeep him as bottom pairing guy). I would only trade Barron or Mailloux for a key piece in the top 6. Anyways the Habs will need three scoring lines given the lack of McDavid, Ovi, Crosby like players, Beck could fill 4C with no problem if offense does not develop.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Armia + Barron +5th for someone 3rd pick

I think we can get more for Barron than using him to help dump Armia.

He is a former 25th OA pick who scored 15 points in 39 games in his rookie NHL seaswn as a RHD. Waiver exempt.

Armia's contract for this year is no longer a burden once Price goes on LTIR after Monday.

One year of cap relief of $2.3M (amount of hit if we bury Armia next year). That's not enough to give up on a player with Barron's profile to date.

We need a deal to address more of our needs.

The only way I would do a deal that attaches Barron to Armia is if the pick coming back were a first. If the other team requires cap back, I would take a THIS-YEAR-only cap dump along with a B level goalie prospect still on ELC for next year.

Armia
Barron
3rd or later round pick (only if pick coming back is 2024)

1st round pick 2024 or 2025
Cap dump 2023-24 (expiring) of up to $5M
B level goalie prospect aged 18-21 by year end.

 

[26Mats]

Gurianov waived by Nashville. For the few that would have liked to see him back, he's not even sticking elsewhere.

I was ok with him back as a Laval Rocket, if after serious conversations he conveyed that 1) he knew he needed serious work on his game (i.e. he knew he's trash now) and 2) he was willing to put in the work, in the minors.

But he's a long shot anyways. Though I'm not sure he's a longer shot than guys like Simoneau, Lias Anderson, etc... including even Mesar at this point.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Okay here's my pitch -- Barron+ for a cheap youngish C that projects or is a high-end bottom sixer. Basically a solid 3C but a lights out 4C. Obviously defensive minded. If we can get that, we've saved ourselves a lot of time searching for a strong bottom six to compete. Secondly, with Suzuki/Dach/Monahan/Newhook in the lineup already, it really creates potential for a rock solid 1-4 and help reduce the d-zone errors that lead to goals against our sub-par goaltending. Thirdly, it will insulate the glut of young forwards that are starting to populate the Habs roster over the next few seasons. And if our prospect pool eventually pushes this 4C out then we have another asset to move.

Barron could end up being a strong offenisve Dman but we can move on. I hope that Hughes goes out and acquires specific players like the one I've described. We need to be proactive and not wait for all the prospects to reach their potential to get them support. I'm not suggesting being big buyers at the TDL or anything, but we can stand to just lock down the 4C spot and start building as strong a 4th line as we can.

The remaining question would be goaltending, but that's both very hard to prescribe solutions and its histroically a strength of the habs so I'll leave it to them.

I think this deal could be done because its trading high ceiling for high floor. seems like a hockey deal could get done with some light adds?

Turning a D prospect into another prime asset is the right approach but the player you describe is the wrong target in our specific circumstances. We have Beck to fill the role described.

If we are not getting a first back, we need to aim higher on any deal for a recent first-rounder still on ELC who has already paced 32 points in his rookie season last year. If it's a forward, it should be a guy capable of 40-50 points soonish.

I get taking a bit less to unload Armia, but frankly the benefit of that is not big enough to justify too much less.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I was ok with him back as a Laval Rocket, if after serious conversations he conveyed that 1) he knew he needed serious work on his game (i.e. he knew he's trash now) and 2) he was willing to put in the work, in the minors.

But he's a long shot anyways. Though I'm not sure he's a longer shot than guys like Simoneau, Lias Anderson, etc... including even Mesar at this point.

If we want to take a flyer on him it would be after he clears waivers, by doing a minor league deal. Example: Stephens for Gurianov.

Or, we send a very long-shot prospect like Mysak.

 

[26Mats]

If we want to take a flyer on him it would be after he clears waivers, by doing a minor league deal. Example: Stephens for Gurianov.

Or, we send a very long-shot prospect like Mysak.

It may be worth doing Tanner Pearson 50% retained for AHL Gurianov, if for no other reason than to give Ylonen and Heineman more ice time.

But Pearson at 50% retained has value, as opposed to Gurianov who has none. Pearson should get a draft pick at the deadline.

 

[salbutera]

Never expected much from Ylonen… and he delivered that to perfection this preseason.

Heineman’s been a disappointment, probably why he’s already in his 3rd NHL org

 

[Sterling Archer]

Never expected much from Ylonen… and he delivered that to perfection this preseason.

Heineman’s been a disappointment, probably why he’s already in his 3rd NHL org

Really? I think Heineman has been really good. Engaged physically, has had some good looks at the net and has speed to burn. Easily outperformed Ylonen, Armia etc. I’d say he’s made it difficult for Habs to cut him at this point and has earned a roster spot. Whether he gets it due to the logjam at forward, Armias contract and waiver issues, is another question. But I’d happily give him a spot on the team, whether it’s now or later in the season, he will he playing with the Habs.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

Never expected much from Ylonen… and he delivered that to perfection this preseason.

Heineman’s been a disappointment, probably why he’s already in his 3rd NHL org

No on the contrary it appears Heineman was specifically requested by the two teams who traded for him.

I liked his camp. He was able to play in many situations, including a physical edge to his game. He's not just a one trick pony with an elite shot.

I don't mind if he goes to Laval to begin the season, but if we didn't have guys like Armia and Gally blocking the way I think he would have a better chance at staying up.

 

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