HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Miller Time]

And Hughes should try everything he can to get Askarov. Wether it passes by trading Anderson and including the assets acquired for him in the trade for Askarov OR even trading our own (protected) first. Let him cook in Laval with our stacked team, while the NHL team sucks enough to land us one of Celebrini, Catton, Eiserman…

Indeed.

If Monty doesn't show 1A ability this year, a goalie for the future that is ready to take the reigns starting next season, or no later than 25-26 season is key.

Not sure Dobbes or any of the goalies we took this year will be NHL starter material in that timeframe, so trade will need to be the avenue

 

[26Mats]

Not sure if the blue shirts still have an interest on Harris, but its about time to get a return from him.

Dvorak, Harris and Mesar would be my pitch for Laff

I'm fine with it. But we'd probably have to take back Goodrow's contract to make the salaries work.

 

[BoneHutson]

I like it. I would retain 50% on Dvo.

But I don't think Barron has that kind of value.

You only retain 50% if they keep beauvillier. Otherwise, MTL is getting screwed here.

 

[HabzSauce]

Can Harris not forge a career at least as good as Josh Gorges? Harris has as many NHL points in his first 75 games as Gorges had in his first 15 games.

Do you think he stops developing at 23 while Kovacevic is still improving at 26?

I don't mind moving Harris or any of our LHD for the right value, but there is no reason to precipitate a quick trade for a lesser return.

Josh Georges sure. like I said with more opportunity I think he's a full time NHLer.

But will he get that opportunity here? Don't think so. And how much more can he really develop especially if we send him down? Not much more in my opinion, or at least not enough to earn a full time spot.

I feel his value is at his highest currently - a 3rd. I don't think he'll ever see as much ice time with us as he got last year especially if we send him down. So does his value regress if we go that route?

I agree that we don't trade for no reason. But right now, he's just another body taking away icetime from our more valuable guys. So there is a purpose in moving him wether that be Laval or via trade

 

[salbutera]

Josh Georges sure. like I said with more opportunity I think he's a full time NHLer.

But will he get that opportunity here? Don't think so. And how much more can he really develop especially if we send him down? Not much more in my opinion, or at least not enough to earn a full time spot.

I feel his value is at his highest currently - a 3rd. I don't think he'll ever see as much ice time with us as he got last year especially if we send him down. So does his value regress if we go that route?

I agree that we don't trade for no reason. But right now, he's just another body taking away icetime from our more valuable guys. So there is a purpose in moving him wether that be Laval or via trade

I agree - contract status matters (I.e # of years to UFA), on last year of ELC. Unless his game significantly improves, which isn’t high probability at present, this is likely his highest value

 

[HabzSauce]

I agree - contract status matters (I.e # of years to UFA), on last year of ELC. Unless his game significantly improves, which isn’t high probability at present, this is likely his highest value

Thinking more about his place on the team, it actually wouldn't be a problem if he was 7D rotating in and out with Norlinder. Harris would still get 40ish games so his value likely wouldn't drop. Could possibly increase a bit. And the split load would be good for Norlinder too I feel.

So win win. Habs can take their time exploring a trade. And By summer of 2024 at the absolute latest he's gone.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Thinking more about his place on the team, it actually wouldn't be a problem if he was 7D rotating in and out with Norlinder. Harris would still get 40ish games so his value likely wouldn't drop. Could possibly increase a bit. And the split load would be good for Norlinder too I feel.

So win win. Habs can take their time exploring a trade. And By summer of 2024 at the absolute latest he's gone.

Let's not assume no injuries ever happen.

Harris is on the first year of his 2nd contract, and has FIVE more years before UFA status.

Like I said, no problem trading him, but no way would I trade him for a 4th at Xmas if no one offers more yet.

Norlinder may not be as bad as som ehere thought, but he still is not very good defensively and has less offence than Matheson, Guhle, Mailloux and possibly Reinbacher and Xhekaj. I think long-term it's Norlinder who might be best to trade for value, to a team that needs his offence more.

And maybe Harris can be a smart, reliable 6th-7th for many years. Like Gorges.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

If the Canadiens trade Montembeault, I wonder what he returns? 1M expiring UFA contract.

 

[HabzSauce]

Let's not assume no injuries ever happen.

JHNarris is on the first yer of his 2nd contract, and has FIVE more years before UFA status.

Like I said, no problem trading him, but no way would I trade him for a 4th at Xmas if no one offers more yet.

Me neither. Only in the scenario of healthy team would I do a 3rd by xmas. And even that would sting.

Thinking about it now tho even with full health, you're right we can hold on. No need to force it

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

If the Canadiens trade Montembeault, I wonder what he returns? 1M expiring UFA contract.

Actually a pretty good return, a second at most. Lots of teams are looking for a good goalie and Monty has proven himself here. However, he's just that, good, not exceptional.

 

[Kimota]

Would you guys do Brendan Gallagher for injury prone Shawn Couturier? Gally has 4 years left at 6.5/per and Cout has 6 years left at 7.7. At least Cout could contribute.

 

[Ligue]

Would you guys do Brendan Gallagher for injury prone Shawn Couturier? Gally has 4 years left at 6.5/per and Cout has 6 years left at 7.7. At least Cout could contribute.

That would be a case of asking the doctors which of the two is most likely to LTIRetire and I would want that one. At the moment I think Gally is a good bet to end up on LTIR before the end of his contract.

 

[Habricot]

Would you guys do Brendan Gallagher for injury prone Shawn Couturier? Gally has 4 years left at 6.5/per and Cout has 6 years left at 7.7. At least Cout could contribute.

I would!

I like all these Laf suggestions but I would mach rather see this team reach for a Shane Pinto or Askarov to move this franchise forward.

 

[MasterD]

Would you guys do Brendan Gallagher for injury prone Shawn Couturier? Gally has 4 years left at 6.5/per and Cout has 6 years left at 7.7. At least Cout could contribute.

I would, just because Couturier is much easier to turn around and trade. He's a much better hockey player at this point.

 

[ReHabs]

Isn’t it still too early to know what Reinbacher can become or whatever Benson may turn into, for that matter?

We’re seeing how other teams were looking to move up at the draft in the hopes of landing Reinbacher. Were these other teams’s rankings, flawed?

We all know this team is missing elite scoring forwards however, I don’t like the idea of drafting for need with a 5OA. Maybe the Habs’ scouting felt there was more than enough separation between Reinbacher at the 5th slot and whoever was taken after.

As for the Jeff Petry comps, it’s one guy’s opinion. Development ain’t linear, we’ll have to wait it out.

I don’t think Reinbacher was a reach at 5OA. I think for the Habs at 5OA with the prospects still on the board, it’s perfectly fair to think the Habs should’ve gone with another prospect.

Obviously we have to wait it out. He seems like he has a lot of tangible, game-changing upside to come. Jeff Petry (without the inconsistency) is a true first pairing dman. Michkov, Benson, Leonard, Dvorsky, etc also have very high upside.

 

[Scriptor]

Let's not assume no injuries ever happen.

Harris is on the first year of his 2nd contract, and has FIVE more years before UFA status.

Like I said, no problem trading him, but no way would I trade him for a 4th at Xmas if no one offers more yet.

Norlinder may not be as bad as som ehere thought, but he still is not very good defensively and has less offence than Matheson, Guhle, Mailloux and possibly Reinbacher and Xhekaj. I think long-term it's Norlinder who might be best to trade for value, to a team that needs his offence more.

And maybe Harris can be a smart, reliable 6th-7th for many years. Like Gorges.

Unfortunately, I don't think your Gorges comparison holds up. Harris is not Gumby like Gorges was and his one flaw is his inability to play in physical matchups. When Toronto decided to single him out and play physical against Harris, he was invisible the ice.

He can't win physical battles for the puck or defend the front of his net, even if he does have a clear understanding of his defensive assignments in his own one (something Barron lacks).

Harris will always be picked apart by opponents as the weaker link of a defensive pairing, even if he is shielded by the coach when establishing the pairings.

I'd rather a decent OA D with more size and physical domination.

I'd take Xhekaj before Harris and, although Harris might have superior hockey sense, I doubt we would come out on the losing end.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Unfortunately, I don't think your Gorges comparison holds up. Harris is not Gumby like Gorges was and his one flaw is his inability to play in physical matchups. When Toronto decided to single him out and play physical against Harris, he was invisible the ice.

He can't win physical battles for the puck or defend the front of his net, even if he does have a clear understanding of his defensive assignments in his own one (something Barron lacks).

Harris will always be picked apart by opponents as the weaker link of a defensive pairing, even if he is shielded by the coach when establishing the pairings.

I'd rather a decent OA D with more size and physical domination.

I'd take Xhekaj before Harris and, although Harris might have superior hockey sense, I doubt we would come out on the losing end.

I understand what you ae saying. However, if you think Harris is vulnerable to pressure and net front presence, Lane Hutson will be ten times moreso. So there goes one of the LHD that you think will block Harris out.

I don't think we should make permanent judgments about a 23 year old D who has not played a full season's worth of games yet, based on a few shifts. Heck, Kovacevic was 25 last year and was exposed under pressure so many times ......

Back to Gorges, it was precisely his ability to defend despite his lack of strength that improved from ages 22-23 when we got him to 26-27 when he had become a top-4 Dman and leader.

We don't need Harris to become a 4D to have value. He can be a third-pairing guy who moves the puck fairly well.

Trading him is not an issue, he is certainy not an "untouchable". Howsever, I would want to see a return of a second or more. He was drafted in the 3rd round and is definitely way better than that in a re-draft of his year. The five years of control before UFA status kicks in is important too.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Would you guys do Brendan Gallagher for injury prone Shawn Couturier? Gally has 4 years left at 6.5/per and Cout has 6 years left at 7.7. At least Cout could contribute.

No. Couturier is more broken, with MUCH more term (seven years, not six) and a higher cap hit, and almost the same age as Brendan.

Having Couturier on the books for Suzuki money and Suzuki term is way too risky.

 

[therocket9]

Would you guys do Brendan Gallagher for injury prone Shawn Couturier? Gally has 4 years left at 6.5/per and Cout has 6 years left at 7.7. At least Cout could contribute.

Gallagher is 100% being bought out in the summer.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Gallagher is 100% being bought out in the summer.

why , he's bound to Robidas Island.

He's 1 injury away from LITR

 

[Rob Sense]

why , he's bound to Robidas Island.

He's 1 injury away from LITR

I hear Robidas Island is beautiful this time of year!

 

[Whalers Fan]

Gallagher is 100% being bought out in the summer.

Isn't the buyout on Gallagher's contract really ugly?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Isn't the buyout on Gallagher's contract really ugly?

Yes.

The only remedy to his contract is him going to Robidas Island.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Gallagher is 100% being bought out in the summer.

100% seems like alot for something thats not going to happen whatsoever

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Would you guys do Brendan Gallagher for injury prone Shawn Couturier? Gally has 4 years left at 6.5/per and Cout has 6 years left at 7.7. At least Cout could contribute.

Depends. Sean Couturier hasn't played a game in a while.

It's also 7 years for Couturier.

I would, just because Couturier is much easier to turn around and trade. He's a much better hockey player at this point.

Only if Couturier comes in and plays well. He's missed a lot of time. If he comes back and he can be a 50 point two-wY centre, then that's a win for the flyers and can be dealt.

Both have NMC, so even if the teams entertained that, I doubt either player waives.