HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Estimated_Prophet]

It was reported last year that the Rangers asked the Habs for a first. I don’t have a link handy. I can try to uncover it.

I guess the real question is the word "reported", as it could very well be and probably closer to likely that the initial asking price coming out of New York was a first rounder but I have never heard any real evidence that Hughes had directly inquired and the connection made in the media was purely speculative and sparked a public discussion of whether we should trade a 1st for him.

I guess it really isn't important whether Hughes inquired if the real discussion is based on ask/return from NYR's perspective as everything else in the discussion seems to line up for me.

From what I have seen from Hughes I would be surprised if he was interested in Kravtsov considering some alleged character issues. He did take on Gurianov who had issues as well but that was because nobody else would give him anything for Dadanov.

I won't be that guy and ask you for a link that I could just as easily find myself and I doubt either one of us care enough to do so anyways lol as we seem to agree on the basic principles of this transaction anyways.

You must have Cirelli confused for someone else. There's no world where he returns a goalie with retention alongside essentially 3 1st round picks in value.

Agreed, and I really like Cirelli.

 

[Wateredgarden]

39pts in 81gp is not bad for a 21 years old tbh. Even for a first overall.

 

[Runner77]

I guess the real question is the word "reported", as it could very well be and probably closer to likely that the initial asking price coming out of New York was a first rounder but I have never heard any real evidence that Hughes had directly inquired and the connection made in the media was purely speculative and sparked a public discussion of whether we should trade a 1st for him.

I guess it really isn't important whether Hughes inquired if the real discussion is based on ask/return from NYR's perspective as everything else in the discussion seems to line up for me.

From what I have seen from Hughes I would be surprised if he was interested in Kravtsov considering some alleged character issues. He did take on Gurianov who had issues as well but that was because nobody else would give him anything for Dadanov.

I won't be that guy and ask you for a link that I could just as easily find myself and I doubt either one of us care enough to do so anyways lol as we seem to agree on the basic principles of this transaction anyways.

I wish I had bookmarked the link.

Looking for it, I now see that the Rangers did ask for a 1st rounder to not only the Habs but other teams as well:

The Kravtsov asking price definitely went down because according to Canucks insider Rick Dhaliwal, the Rangers wanted a 1st round pick for Kravtsov …

LINK

The Nucks were persistent and got the Rangers to bend. Don’t know how Hughes handled the initial offer.

 

[Xirik]

Would the Habs have any interest in Holtz?

It's currently looking like he'll start the season with Hischier and Meier. That means he can't just be good he has to be great in order for him being on that line to be making any sense. Especially when Mercer has already proven he can hang with the big boys and be adaptable and still succeed on the 3rd line.

It feels like he's just a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. His hockey IQ isn't high enough to figure out where Jack hughes wants him to be and he's not a heavy enough forechecker to hang with Hischier.

Habs playstyle seems to fit Holtz more and him being on a Slaf/Dach line where those two do the heavy lifting and the puck is on Holtz stick the least amount of time sounds pretty good to me.

Thoughts on the price would be between the Calgary 2025 1st round pick or montreals 2025 2nd +3rd or 4th.

 

[26Mats]

Has RHP played this preseason? Because the few games i watched i don't remember seeing him

It's going to be interesting to see what RHP will become. MSL seems to be a believer.

 

[Mad]

I think Montreal would be the worse possible destination for Lafreniere.

Fans and media would demand him on a top line and he would instantly become bigger than the locker room itself.

That’s a lot of pressure. I’ve watched multiple Rangers games over the years, and not once I saw Alexis take control of a shift or do something worthy of his selection rank.

Unless the price is extremely low, I don’t believe it’s a good idea to bring him in.

Lafreniere has good and bad moments, but you never see him do anything like Stutzle, who would show glimpse of what he could become during his rookie season.

 

[Colezuki]

Would the Habs have any interest in Holtz?

It's currently looking like he'll start the season with Hischier and Meier. That means he can't just be good he has to be great in order for him being on that line to be making any sense. Especially when Mercer has already proven he can hang with the big boys and be adaptable and still succeed on the 3rd line.

It feels like he's just a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. His hockey IQ isn't high enough to figure out where Jack hughes wants him to be and he's not a heavy enough forechecker to hang with Hischier.

Habs playstyle seems to fit Holtz more and him being on a Slaf/Dach line where those two do the heavy lifting and the puck is on Holtz stick the least amount of time sounds pretty good to me.

Thoughts on the price would be between the Calgary 2025 1st round pick or montreals 2025 2nd +3rd or 4th.

I mean at that price I would be interested we need another potential top 6. I don’t think jersey would be though. There going for it we’re not

 

[HuGort]

No drive because he hates it there. Doesn’t diminish his talent level. Buy low opportunity if you ask me.

I wouldn't pay much for Laf. Maybe Harris and a 3rd? Looks like Norlinder will push Harris. Eventually anyway. Guhle and Matheson are locks. Engsyrom and Hutson in system. Harris going to be good player. Reminds me of young Dunn. But we have depth on D

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Lafrenière is a good third line player nothing wrong with that but it's the last thing we should be paying to acquire since our forward prospect pool is filled with third line player types IMO

 

[Egresch]

You must have Cirelli confused for someone else. There's no world where he returns a goalie with retention alongside essentially 3 1st round picks in value.

Absolutely, with his long-term contract and low production, ReHab would tear this apart. That kid was PPG player only once in his life when he was vet in OHL.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lafrenière is a good third line player nothing wrong with that but it's the last thing we should be paying to acquire since our forward prospect pool is filled with third line player types IMO

What we could do is trade one of our bottom 6F for Lafreniere and then see if MSL can turn him into a top 6F?

Today, the Rangers would expect more but one more season could change things. Could be a simple as a Ylonen for Lafreniere trade? Something like that. I'm not desperate to trade for Lafreniere but if the cost is low, we should not be saying no. We have a great coach who gets the best of out young players and if MSL can turn Lafreniere into a top 6F, it's worth the try... as long as we don't have to trade a Grade A or 1st rounder.

Harris or Ylonen for Lafreniere after this season is done? It would not be an automatic no for me

I wouldn't pay much for Laf. Maybe Harris and a 3rd? Looks like Norlinder will push Harris. Eventually anyway. Guhle and Matheson are locks. Engsyrom and Hutson in system. Harris going to be good player. Reminds me of young Dunn. But we have depth on D

I tend to agree. Some fans saying automatic no's for Lafreniere are not thinking straight. If the trade made sense to us in terms of trading from a position of strength, we should explore those options. Why? There could be a situation where MSL can turn Lafreniere into a top 6F

It's not far off vs the Dubois trade talks. Most of us said all along that were were interested but not desperate. Just because we talked about it a lot, it don't mean we were willing to trade the assets the Kings offered to get him.

 

[salbutera]

I wish I had bookmarked the link.

Looking for it, I now see that the Rangers did ask for a 1st rounder to not only the Habs but other teams as well:

The Kravtsov asking price definitely went down because according to Canucks insider Rick Dhaliwal, the Rangers wanted a 1st round pick for Kravtsov …

LINK

The Nucks were persistent and got the Rangers to bend. Don’t know how Hughes handled the initial offer.

There were also reports HuGo had no interest in Kravtsov

 

[Mrb1p]

Would the Habs have any interest in Holtz?

It's currently looking like he'll start the season with Hischier and Meier. That means he can't just be good he has to be great in order for him being on that line to be making any sense. Especially when Mercer has already proven he can hang with the big boys and be adaptable and still succeed on the 3rd line.

It feels like he's just a square peg trying to fit into a round hole. His hockey IQ isn't high enough to figure out where Jack hughes wants him to be and he's not a heavy enough forechecker to hang with Hischier.

Habs playstyle seems to fit Holtz more and him being on a Slaf/Dach line where those two do the heavy lifting and the puck is on Holtz stick the least amount of time sounds pretty good to me.

Thoughts on the price would be between the Calgary 2025 1st round pick or montreals 2025 2nd +3rd or 4th.

Lol so Holtz isnt very good and you want a first?

 

[26Mats]

Lafrenière is a good third line player nothing wrong with that but it's the last thing we should be paying to acquire since our forward prospect pool is filled with third line player types IMO

You only pay if you think he can be top 6 down the road.

 

[Kwikwi]

Id trade a retain Anderson (to match salaries and CGY 1st to them. For Laf
Anderson at 29 and laf, 22 in 6 days,

Having tons of pick means 2 things. More chances to hit something big and also you get into the Ottawa situation (Thomson, Sokolov (even Montreal) where kids donc have room. Barron, Harris, Ylonen to name a few.

They want to win now they could use the pick to get something else

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Id trade a retain Anderson (to match salaries and CGY 1st to them. For Laf
Anderson at 29 and laf, 22 in 6 days,

Having tons of pick means 2 things. More chances to hit something big and also you get into the Ottawa situation (Thomson, Sokolov (even Montreal) where kids donc have room. Barron, Harris, Ylonen to name a few.

They want to win now they could use the pick to get something else

You'd have to retain 50% of Anderson to get salaries close and Anderson at 50% retained is worth more than Laf nevermind the 1st.

 

[sampollock]

“Lafreniere looks like an undrafted player on a pro tryout in training camp. »

-Larry Brooks, New York Post

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

“Lafreniere looks like an undrafted player on a pro tryout in training camp. »

-Larry Brooks, New York Post

Yeah, at this point I think I’d just stay away.

 

[Jaynki]

Thia board trying to find quality into Lafrenière gameplay . Bro got the KK treatment. I wouldn't even give RHP for him

You know we would trade RHP for Laf AINEC

 

[Kwikwi]

You'd have to retain 50% of Anderson to get salaries close and Anderson at 50% retained is worth more than Laf nevermind the 1st.

We have the habit to overate our players. Anderson is not more than a 3rd liner in any team that want to be serious. Mid to late 1st picks as well.

Lets funnel the age and let them grow together.
Lafreniere is confused, like Caufield was with Ducharme.

 

[CTrain10]

We have the habit to overate our players. Anderson is not more than a 3rd liner in any team that want to be serious. Mid to late 1st picks as well.

Lets funnel the age and let them grow together.
Lafreniere is confused, like Caufield was with Ducharme.

The league also has a habit of overvaluing Power Forwards. The Rangers would do it 1for1 if we retained cap.

 

[salbutera]

Id trade a retain Anderson (to match salaries and CGY 1st to them. For Laf
Anderson at 29 and laf, 22 in 6 days,

Having tons of pick means 2 things. More chances to hit something big and also you get into the Ottawa situation (Thomson, Sokolov (even Montreal) where kids donc have room. Barron, Harris, Ylonen to name a few.

They want to win now they could use the pick to get something else

When was the last time Habs actually “hit something big” at the draft? Caufield? 2007 triumvirate? Before that?

 

[Captain Mountain]

Id trade a retain Anderson (to match salaries and CGY 1st to them. For Laf
Anderson at 29 and laf, 22 in 6 days,

Having tons of pick means 2 things. More chances to hit something big and also you get into the Ottawa situation (Thomson, Sokolov (even Montreal) where kids donc have room. Barron, Harris, Ylonen to name a few.

They want to win now they could use the pick to get something else

The issue there is the retention. Anderson at 50% is straight up more valuable than Lafreniere. Gambling on potential upside is worth considering, but for all his flaws Anderson is one of a few true power forwards in the league and if Montreal was to make the decision to offer him at 50% (which is incredibly unlikely) for 4 seasons, then his value would be massive.

 

[Kwikwi]

When was the last time Habs actually “hit something big” at the draft? Caufield? 2007 triumvirate? Before that?

The issue there is the retention. Anderson at 50% is straight up more valuable than Lafreniere. Gambling on potential upside is worth considering, but for all his flaws Anderson is one of a few true power forwards in the league and if Montreal was to make the decision to offer him at 50% (which is incredibly unlikely) for 4 seasons, then his value would be massive.

It is somewhat but it wont make them bulge. Lafreniere had more points than Anderson. And Anderson doesnt bring much more than tunnel vision speed and leadership.

I would go as cheap as possible for the gamble. Just dont think picks are enough. They need a RW, they have 3 LW and Laf is the 3rd one.

Other thing that could happen is to grad a RW for them in a 3 way.
Grab Boeser than ship them at 50%

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I just get the sense that Laf would come here and be the new whipping boy. LafatSlaf would become the new term here as both guys would get ripped