HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[ZUKI]

Unless he comes very cheap I would stay away from him. He hasn't had success in the NHL because he skates slow, has a slow release, and processes the game slow

I think it's a prerogative for all the Quebec player; they should come very cheap

The reason why the Rangers want to get rid of Laf is that he isn't very good.

Forget he was a 1OA, he's generic 3rd liner now.

of course ...

I would absolutely take a flyer on Laf if it wasn't for the fact that our team is already developping Dach and Newhook as reclamation projects that need offensive opportunities.

Without even counting prospects like Heineman/Roy/Beck/RHP/Ylo, who are ready or on the cusp of a top 9 role.

We just have too many guys to evaluate as is.

The acquisition the habs need is a prime star fwd, not another reclamation project.

Last time Habs have tried to get a star fwd, it only costed Sergachev, a young dman without NHL games played.
Well ...Maybe we could get a good star with Suzuki + Mailloux or Guhle ?

 

[HuGort]

All is not lost. He still has the ability, just needs a different team. Habs would absolutely be a great for with MSL being a confidence guru.

Ranger fans say he has no drive to him. Doubt Hughes would trade for him.

 

[The Great Weal]

if the cost for Laf is right, why not. He’ll have a ton of pressure though, especially that he not coming in already as a productive player.

It could be a good opportunity but it could turn sour very very fast.

I don’t think he would have any pressure. Drouin was seen as a savior because he was traded for a recent top 10 pick and was supposed to replace and be an upgrade on Radulov by carrying the offense. Laf would be traded for like a 2nd and everyone would know he's not projected to be the go to guy when we got Suzuki/CC/Dach/Slaf.

Laf-Suzuki-CC
Newhook-Dach-Slaf
Dvorak-Monahan-Anderson
RHP-Evans-Armia/Gallagher/Pearson

 

[Sterling Archer]

Ranger fans say he has no drive to him. Doubt Hughes would trade for him.

No drive because he hates it there. Doesn’t diminish his talent level. Buy low opportunity if you ask me.

 

[sampollock]

Press on MTL would feast on this kid.
Could be JD all-over again

 

[Garry Valk]

Lafreniere would be a fantastic add for this team. Fits the timeline perfectly.

 

[HABitual Fan]

I think it's a prerogative for all the Quebec player; they should come very cheap

of course ...

Last time Habs have tried to get a star fwd, it only costed Sergachev, a young dman without NHL games played.
Well ...Maybe we could get a good star with Suzuki + Mailloux or Guhle ?

Really don't understand why you feel the need to bring where the player is from into the discussion. If he was from Ontario and had the same deficiencies as Laf has, I would only take him if the price was low as well. If you can't skate or process the game, where you were born makes no difference except in the minds of a segment of the fanbase. I would take 23 players from Quebec if they were better than what we have now, just not at any cost .

 

[Colezuki]

Lafreniere would be a fantastic add for this team. Fits the timeline perfectly.

Montreal would become The land of the 2020 misfit draftees

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Depending on the cost Laf would be an intriguing add.

He could be a solid 3rd liner who has some physical edge, 141 hits last season. Would have been 3rd, but a lot of players were hurt.

He obviously has skill to score.

The problem is, I wouldn't pay the same the Habs paid for Newhook, as I wouldn't have even paid that.

They're wingers, not potential centres and right handed dmen.

That's me, though and the Habs have a bunch of wingers already.

 

[Tuggy]

I would 100% take a chance on Laf.

But I'm not convinced the Rangers are looking to move him yet.

 

[MarkJ]

I'd welcome Pierre-L...I mean Alexis here.

 

[Runner77]

No drive because he hates it there. Doesn’t diminish his talent level. Buy low opportunity if you ask me.

I don’t see it. Rangers GM demanded a first rounder from the Habs for Kravstov last year only to ship him off to another team for a 7th rounder some short time later.

How does a demand go from a first rounder to settling for a 7th rounder? Maybe Rangers management is purposely playing hardball to satisfy ownership’s possible resentment of Gorton, who knows. The Kravstov matter may have just been an isolated interaction, I don’t know. It just feels odd.

 

[Jaynki]

We should trade for Lafreniere and have him with Suzuki and Caufield.

Apparently, Yaroslav Askarov might be available in NSH. (According to f***ing danlescoulisses).

Considering those two facts :

1. We have incredible depth on D. Matheson, Guhle, Reinbacher possibly constituing the core of our defensive group for at least the next three years and maybe more, if Matheson is extended. Considering that there is also Hutson, Mailloux, Engstrom, Norlinder, Trudeau, Struble, Xhekaj, Barron, Harris behind them.

2. And also considering that we have two sets of drafts picks in 2025.

I am extremely, extremely high on Hutson and Mailloux.

I would consider dangling Mailloux or Hutson for Askarov.

1 on 1 type of trade.

Not sure i would consider it for Lafreniere tho because even tho we have major D depth, i think there is high odds we would be loser in such a trade. I don't know what we could offer that would entice NYR.

I don’t see it. Rangers GM demanded a first rounder from the Habs for Kravstov last year only to ship him off to another team for a 7th rounder some short time later.

How does a demand go from a first rounder to settling for a 7th rounder? Maybe Rangers management is purposely playing hardball to satisfy ownership’s possible resentment of Gorton, who knows. The Kravstov matter may have just been an isolated interaction, I don’t know. It just feels odd.

I mean, they can demand what they want.

At the end of the day, they will have to settle for the highest bid they receive. Which is the real demand that count and that is determined by the buyer.

 

[Runner77]

I mean, they can demand what they want.

At the end of the day, they will have to settle for the highest bid they receive. Which is the real demand that count and that is determined by the buyer.

No issue with that. Just that the discrepancy between an initial demand and the ultimate deal agreed to tends to be a lot closer than was the case for Kravstov.

I don’t know if the Rangers also asked a first rounder for him to other teams. I only remember that what they sought from the Habs was reported. Maybe it’s just a market thing. Would like to see how future interactions are handled.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I don’t see it. Rangers GM demanded a first rounder from the Habs for Kravstov last year only to ship him off to another team for a 7th rounder some short time later.

How does a demand go from a first rounder to settling for a 7th rounder? Maybe Rangers management is purposely playing hardball to satisfy ownership’s possible resentment of Gorton, who knows. The Kravstov matter may have just been an isolated interaction, I don’t know. It just feels odd.

Who said they demanded a 1st? You don’t go from a first to a seventh, so wherever you heard they asked for a first sounds like they were off base.

 

[The Real Timo]

I would 100% take a chance on Laf.

But I'm not convinced the Rangers are looking to move him yet.

I would take a chance on Drouin. Do it, Hughes!!!

 

[HabzSauce]

I would take a chance on Drouin. Do it, Hughes!!!

We gotta see if he's ok first, he got decked by Benn

 

[ZUKI]

Really don't understand why you feel the need to bring where the player is from into the discussion. If he was from Ontario and had the same deficiencies as Laf has, I would only take him if the price was low as well. If you can't skate or process the game, where you were born makes no difference except in the minds of a segment of the fanbase. I would take 23 players from Quebec if they were better than what we have now, just not at any cost .

I am a member of this forum since 2003. That's more than enough to learn these patterns ; the local discount to sign, the cheap price to pay, the " not another Drouin to please the medias ", " not another Desharnais who will take the spot of X " and it goes on ....

Of course it's a minority, but every time there is someone to bring one of the patterns in the conversation. It used to be frustrating for me. Now i think it's absolutely funny how few fans bring the same narrative over and over for years

In the end, you said it yourself ; " where you were born makes no difference except in the minds of a segment of the fanbase. "

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I am a member of this forum since 2003. That's more than enough to learn these patterns ; the local discount to sign, the cheap price to pay, the " not another Drouin to please the medias ", " not another Desharnais who will take the spot of X " and it goes on ....

Of course it's a minority, but every time there is someone to bring one of the patterns in the conversation. It used to be frustrating for me. Now i think it's absolutely funny how few fans bring the same narrative over and over for years

In the end, you said it yourself ; " where you were born makes no difference except in the minds of a segment of the fanbase. "

And it makes a difference to the french media who will fawn over any french player no matter how useless they are.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

No issue with that. Just that the discrepancy between an initial demand and the ultimate deal agreed to tends to be a lot closer than was the case for Kravstov.

I don’t know if the Rangers also asked a first rounder for him to other teams. I only remember that what they sought from the Habs was reported. Maybe it’s just a market thing. Would like to see how future interactions are handled.

Was this offer ever confirmed by the Habs or just media speculation? I know that speculation or false claims by the media often become fact over time on this board if they are repeated enough.

I have no doubt that the Rangers would ask for a first rounder but we also don't know if they lowered their asking price to the Habs and that was not reported. Do we even know for certain that HuGo wanted him at any price? Considering the final return on their asset it would stand to reason that it is exceedingly more likely that they offered Kravtsov for 2nd, 3rd, 4th round picks etc to other teams before having to settle for a 7th.

I think the dichotomy of initial demand/ultimate return in this case is a combination of multiple factors including him being Russian and perhaps concerns of him not willing to change his habits as he can always go home as he has done before. There was also early/pre season hope that he might turn the corner but that was quickly extinguished by demonstrating the same old problems shortly into the regular season. The 1st round ask was likely selling hope and the mystery of upside that might be burgeoning just below the surface ready to be unveiled. The final return came after Kravtsov was unable to justify any reasonable hope of that upside becoming reality at the NHL level in the foreseeable future.Combine attitude questions with an inability to play with pace thus far in his career despite an impressive set of physical tools other than foot speed and you can understand why there was such a discrepancy between asking price and return of a player with his pedigree.

You can understand why the Rangers might have thought that they had a shot at collecting a first rounder yet it is also understandable why they eventually dumped him for a 7th which ended up being his market value due to all sorts of mitigating factors, not the least of which was that he was a distraction in New York and the organization just didn't want any part of his circus any more.

 

[ZUKI]

And it makes a difference to the french media who will fawn over any french player no matter how useless they are.

That is a very prejudicial assessment. There are a lot of peoples working for the french medias, they don't share the exact same points of view, most of them aren't blinded by the wish to get more local players as Réjean Tremblay is. What about the english medias then ? I won't go there because i don't use the words " french or english medias" as if it is a single person. Not a nice try here

 

[Runner77]

Who said they demanded a 1st? You don’t go from a first to a seventh, so wherever you heard they asked for a first sounds like they were off base.

It was reported last year that the Rangers asked the Habs for a first. I don’t have a link handy. I can try to uncover it.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Thia board trying to find quality into Lafrenière gameplay . Bro got the KK treatment. I wouldn't even give RHP for him

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I wonder about potentially taking a flyer on Kole Lind as a waiver claim. Seems to have put his game together after a 30-30/just under 100 PIM mark in the AHL last year.

Decent size, good skater, physical, not afraid to drop the gloves and obviously has some offensive talent.

Even it’s just as an AHL player for Laval, I think I’d take a long look.

 

[BergevinBurner]

I would still try and get Cirelli out of Tampa, using a combo of

Montembeault/Allen (retained) + Beck + Harris/Mailloux + CGY 1st/2nds

You must have Cirelli confused for someone else. There's no world where he returns a goalie with retention alongside essentially 3 1st round picks in value.