HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[kyne]

Trading a player like Guhle at this point is repeating the same error that was made with Sergachev and McDonough. I'm hoping Hughes is smarter and less of a risk taker than Bergevin.

 

[sampollock]

They have prospect depth on defense but not so much at forward. If they had to move Zegras a top forward or forward prospect would be more useful than a defenseman.

thus everyone wanting this deal, habs lack forward young guns

 

[smirob]

I don’t think we make good trade partners with Anaheim to be honest..Zegras wouldn’t be a quantity for quality trade either, they’re fairly deep as it is

 

[yianik]

Reading about trading Guhle is making me sick to my stomach as I flash back to McDo for Gomez and Sergachev for Drouin.

We actually have 2 young guys that have top 6C ability and hopefully one is a 1C. What we don't have in the pipeline are identified 1, 2, or 3D. We have a bag full of D who are really interesting and people are projecting them as this and that, and there is lots of development to go. But while I have no problem saying Suzuki and Dach are top 6C, I cant say any of our D are top 3. My hope is that a few of them reach those heights, but which 3 if any ?

Sergachev was a blue chip D that we traded for a winger. Now Zegras is a heck of a lot more of an important target than Drouin, and he is a C. But I have no interest in potentially trading the wrong guy , and Zegras should cost a heck of a lot more than a Guhle etc. Like Guhle and Reinbacher. Yeah, no thanks.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I don’t think we make good trade partners with Anaheim to be honest..Zegras wouldn’t be a quantity for quality trade either, they’re fairly deep as it is

The Ducks aren't deep, their prospect pool is. But that's what Montreal is too. I'm not against a Zegras trade, but it would be nice to have a season where we (and management) can get an idea of what is actually on the roster right now. Because of injuries and roster turnover the last two seasons, we're less than two weeks out from game 1 and we don't even have a clear picture of who the major pairs are at forward, let alone lines. Half the roster are sophmores who haven't played full seasons.

Its hard to make the right trades for what you need when you don't even have a clear idea of what you have. Unless the trade is for truly elite talent, because we know Montreal needs that.

 

[Skip Bayless]

The Ducks aren't deep, their prospect pool is. But that's what Montreal is too. I'm not against a Zegras trade, but it would be nice to have a season where we (and management) can get an idea of what is actually on the roster right now. Because of injuries and roster turnover the last two seasons, we're less than two weeks out from game 1 and we don't even have a clear picture of who the major pairs are at forward, let alone lines. Half the roster are sophmores who haven't played full seasons.

Its hard to make the right trades for what you need when you don't even have a clear idea of what you have. Unless the trade is for truly elite talent, because we know Montreal needs that.

Well put.

 

[Bottle Rocket]

We see many of these talented players go for the equivalent of a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd. Newhook went for a late 1st, early 2nd and a prospect drafted in the 3rd. Debrincat went for that: a 1st, Kubalik (value of a 2nd), a prospect drafted in the 3rd and even a 4th. Zegras is more talented, it needs to be at least a similar package with each pick being higher.

Calgary's 1st, Beck (high second), Engstrom, probably more.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Zegras-Dach-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Roy

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Zegras-Dach-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Roy

Zegras is a C. You put Dach on wing.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Zegras is a C. You put Dach on wing.

The Ducks aren't sure he's a C, I think their plan is for him to be a W.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Zegras is a C. You put Dach on wing.

If he can’t play D, he plays wing. He’s thrive there with less responsibility

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Zegras-Dach-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Suzuki-Roy

Skill is there, size isn't really there.


Also, people got to remember the Ducks are stacked with defensive prospects, so they'd want forward prospects, or good, young current forwards.

Habs have none, so the possibility of a deal is low.

 

[sampollock]

In addition, the TVA Sports journalist created a surprise during his participation in the JiC show by evoking the possibility of a major change of course concerning the former Vancouver Canucks player. Indeed, he puts forward the idea that Tanner Pearson could be placed on waivers if the attacker fails to convince the management of the Canadian

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

In addition, the TVA Sports journalist created a surprise during his participation in the JiC show by evoking the possibility of a major change of course concerning the former Vancouver Canucks player. Indeed, he puts forward the idea that Tanner Pearson could be placed on waivers if the attacker fails to convince the management of the Canadian

Nobody will take him, so he will be sent to Laval. I think the contract buyout window is closed.

If he can’t play D, he plays wing. He’s thrive there with less responsibility

He definately can't play D........

 

[BoneHutson]

We see many of these talented players go for the equivalent of a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd. Newhook went for a late 1st, early 2nd and a prospect drafted in the 3rd. Debrincat went for that: a 1st, Kubalik (value of a 2nd), a prospect drafted in the 3rd and even a 4th. Zegras is more talented, it needs to be at least a similar package with each pick being higher.

Calgary's 1st, Beck (high second), Engstrom, probably more.

Barron
Farrell
2024 first (top 5 protect)
2025 first (top 10 protect)
Armia (for cap)
Price (because he wouldnt be a burden to ANA since LTIR. We need the LTIR spot for when Gally inevitably gets a career ending injury)

Skill is there, size isn't really there.


Also, people got to remember the Ducks are stacked with defensive prospects, so they'd want forward prospects, or good, young current forwards.

Habs have none, so the possibility of a deal is low.

Monahan-Suzuki-Caufield
Zegras-Dach-Slaf
Roy-Newhook-Anderson
RHP-Evans-Gally

Thats an awesome and well balaced top 9. Size is well distributed also. One softer or smaller player on each line.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Barron
Farrell
2024 first (top 5 protect)
2025 first (top 10 protect)
Armia (for cap)
Price (because he wouldnt be a burden to ANA since LTIR. We need the LTIR spot for when Gally inevitably gets a career ending injury)


Monahan-Suzuki-Caufield
Zegras-Dach-Slaf
Roy-Newhook-Anderson
RHP-Evans-Gally

Thats an awesome and well balaced top 9. Size is well distributed also. One softer or smaller player on each line.

That's 3 players over 6'0.

Dach is really promising, but he still sucks at faceoffs. Like really bad at them.

4th line would need to be revamped

 

[morhilane]

Dach is really promising, but he still sucks at faceoffs. Like really bad at them.

Since when is 62% sucking at faceoff? That's Dach faceoff % from yesterday game.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Since when is 62% sucking at faceoff? That's Dach faceoff % from yesterday game.

Yeah and his career faceoff % is 35.1%.
1 game > whole career clearly

This is why I would play him at wing or have a player like Monahan on his line to take faceoffs

 

[Blame the referee]

Zegras and Luneau
For
Slafkovsky and Guhle?

I’d do that in a heartbeat

 

[Runner77]

Yeah and his career faceoff % is 35.1%.
1 game > whole career clearly

This is why I would play him at wing or have a player like Monahan on his line to take faceoffs

I seem to recall that Dach improved significantly at faceoffs as the season ensued last year. Hopefully I’m remembering correctly.

 

[salbutera]

I seem to recall that Dach improved significantly at face offs as the season ensued last year. Hopefully I’m remembering correctly.

Wasn’t Manny Malhotra canned by Leafs? Would think he’d be a good pickup as org faceoff development coach

 

[MasterMatt25]

Zegras and Luneau
For
Slafkovsky and Guhle?

I’d do that in a heartbeat

Does Anaheim still have the other Guhle?

 

[morhilane]

Yeah and his career faceoff % is 35.1%.
1 game > whole career clearly

This is why I would play him at wing or have a player like Monahan on his line to take faceoffs

Thinking Dach never improved at faceoffs and won't improve at them further so he shouldn't play center or take them is being blind to his development. The only reason his career average is that low is because of his post-injury season in Chicago and being thrown to the wolves at 18 years old where he got both 32% and 33% season.

His other two seasons were at 40% and 38% last season after a slow start (his avg from Jan to end of season was slightly over 40%).

And you can't improve faceoffs by not taking them.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Everyone talking about trading Guhle in here should be flogged.

We have seen what trading our best young defenseman for magic beans has gotten us on multiple occasions. Which is why we don’t do this ever again.

Guhle is going to be a special player for us and our de facto number one on the blueline. He is our Shea Weber - a horse that is miserable to play against. We don’t trade a player like that, for a guy like Trevor Zegras.

 

[salbutera]

Zegras is simply the “bling” Habs fans have so desperately been seeking…