HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[26Mats]

To MTL: Mathieu Joseph
To OTT: Armia 50% retained

 

[HuGort]

I got a feeling Habs will trade one of their extra first for Askarov at next draft. Similar to Dach or Newhook trades

 

[RationalExpectations]

I got a feeling Habs will trade one of their extra first for Askarov at next draft. Similar to Dach or Newhook trades

He was drafted 2020 not 2019 so it won't work.

More seriously though I don't know what NSH is doing. The Duchene buyout and Johansen trade leaves them with a lot of dead cap. But if you start rebuilding now you waste Saros Josi O Reilly good remaining years right ? On the other hand it seems they were willing to trade them at last draft so why not ?

By the way they only have one extra 1st

 

[Habs Halifax]

I would say chances are higher. What is the point for EP to stay in VAN? They will be bubble team forever because of all those terrible decisions e.g. Ekman- Larsson buyout will still cost them 4,8M in 26/27. Their prospect pool is terrible, so no bright future for EP there. Then, if he really wants out what are the teams with enough trade capital and free salary space? We are really talking around 5 teams.
We did not get PLD, because Habs mngmt was not convinced and did not want to overpay. EP is a totally different story.

Just because he might be available, it don't mean the chances would be higher he comes to the Habs. Do you have any inside sources that Pettersson would even have the Habs on his list he would extend with?

 

[morhilane]

To MTL: Mathieu Joseph
To OTT: Armia 50% retained

Habs are not going to use their last retaining slot on Armia for 2 season and Sens wants to move Joseph to clear all his cap space.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

To MTL: Mathieu Joseph
To OTT: Armia 50% retained

Sens can clear almost all of the money back save 600k. (I believe most you can save is 1.1 still when sending a player to the minors ? )

Would likely be more beneficial for the Habs to keep Armia for the time being, acquire Joseph along with pick(s) and/or prospect(s)

3rd in 2024 (they don't have a 3rd, so I guess a 2nd it would need to be. )
2nd in 2025
Stephan Halliday/ Zach Ostapchuk.
Mathieu Joseph


Halliday might be the better option as he's in college and the Habs wouldn't need to make room in the AHL for Ostapchuk. Both are big bodies with skills, which the Habs need in their system.


For

Future considerations, or a low end contract that they can bury.

I really wish it was a 1st and Joseph, but if the sens aren't willing to budge, I'd go this way.

I like Joseph, but he is overpaid and you can't help a team because you like said player, right Mr. Dubas ?

 

[26Mats]

Habs are not going to use their last retaining slot on Armia for 2 season and Sens wants to move Joseph to clear all his cap space.

We'd still have 1 remaining slot next year. not good to only have 1 with Dvo and Savard pending ufa's in 2025. But 3rd teams can be used to retain 50%, like we did with Bonino.

 

[sampollock]

man I would love for Kent to send Amria down, he sucks so bad

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm very curious if Hughes is monitoring the Pettersson and Zegras situations closely. We are deep at D and could do another Romaonv/Dach type flip. More pieces would have to be included because Pettersson and Zegras hold more value than Dach (pre trade).

I'm sure you guys talked Guhle+ before? I read that idea recently. That would be a tough call to make IMO. Guhle is not done developing and what would we have to pay Zegras? 8x $8M+.

I'm sure Hughes is keeping the phone lines of communication open. Stocking up on the D prospects and having several 1st rounders does put us in a good spot if Pettersson and/or Zegras was traded.

 

[rik schau]

man I would love for Kent to send Amria down, he sucks so bad

Sure Kent got burdened by Bergivins blunders but he has to do something to undo that mess,get creative and improve the team,that is what he's getting paid for isn't he?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I'm very curious if Hughes is monitoring the Pettersson and Zegras situations closely. We are deep at D and could do another Romaonv/Dach type flip. More pieces would have to be included because Pettersson and Zegras hold more value than Dach (pre trade).

I'm sure you guys talked Guhle+ before? I read that idea recently. That would be a tough call to make IMO. Guhle is not done developing and what would we have to pay Zegras? 8x $8M+.

I'm sure Hughes is keeping the phone lines of communication open. Stocking up on the D prospects and having several 1st rounders does put us in a good spot if Pettersson and/or Zegras was traded.

I can't imagine any GM isn't monitoring the situation

 

[actuallynotPJStock]

I got a feeling Habs will trade one of their extra first for Askarov at next draft. Similar to Dach or Newhook trades

Put me in the camp where I would do that trade, barring the extra first isn't top 10.

 

[Scriptor]

I got a feeling Habs will trade one of their extra first for Askarov at next draft. Similar to Dach or Newhook trades

Would be nice. Problem is Allen's 3.85M still valid through the season after this upcoming one.

If you can get Askarov in the upcoming offseason, you nab him, IMO, because his ELC's 925K runs through the same time period as Allen's contract. It won't change a thing and he'll likely play through his ELC in the AHL.

But, if he's ready for the NHL in his last year of that ELC, what do you do?

Three G system until the trade deadline where you try to offload Allen as a rental at half the cost (1.925M) for a backup G?

Play Askarov in Laval anyhow so you don't risk losing Mount Mambo to waivers, because you think he'll be good backup or a 1a, 1B candidate with Askarov?

I think it might cost the CAL 1st round pick+ a LHD such as Harris.

 

[actuallynotPJStock]

I'm very curious if Hughes is monitoring the Pettersson and Zegras situations closely. We are deep at D and could do another Romaonv/Dach type flip. More pieces would have to be included because Pettersson and Zegras hold more value than Dach (pre trade).

I'm sure you guys talked Guhle+ before? I read that idea recently. That would be a tough call to make IMO. Guhle is not done developing and what would we have to pay Zegras? 8x $8M+.

I'm sure Hughes is keeping the phone lines of communication open. Stocking up on the D prospects and having several 1st rounders does put us in a good spot if Pettersson and/or Zegras was traded.

I realllyyy wouldn't want to trade Guhle, he's going to be a good one for a long time. But something has to give, we need game-breaking talent up front. I am also curious what other folks think

 

[Ezpz]

He was drafted 2020 not 2019 so it won't work.

More seriously though I don't know what NSH is doing. The Duchene buyout and Johansen trade leaves them with a lot of dead cap. But if you start rebuilding now you waste Saros Josi O Reilly good remaining years right ? On the other hand it seems they were willing to trade them at last draft so why not ?

By the way they only have one extra 1st

They're not a market that can financially survive a rebuild. They're probably trying to give the veil of competing while actually rebuilding. They're relying on their scouts to hit on guys drafted in the 8-16 range. When you look at their forward group you don't really see a playoff team. Same on the back-end, the four headed dragon turned into just Josi and a washed McDonagh.

Josi is also 33. It's likely his prime is over from this season. They don't even have a remotely good enough core to compete for even a wildcard spot.

 

[BoneHutson]

I realllyyy wouldn't want to trade Guhle, he's going to be a good one for a long time. But something has to give, we need game-breaking talent up front. I am also curious what other folks think

Would be kind of lateral move to trade Guhle for a F (as skilled as Zegras is). Its true that we have a ton of really solid dmen, but none (except Reinbacher and maybe Xhekaj if he keeps improving) have Guhle's defensive skillset. The only Zegras trade that could make sense for both team imo, is one that includes MTL's next 2 1st rounder (2024 being top 5 protect, and 2025 being top 10 protect). This way, ANA bets on MTL finishing bottom 10 (due to young roster and strong division), and MTL hopes to be better with Zegras and hopefully make the playoffs. Obviously, we would have to add some great pieces, but none of Guhle, Reinbacher or Slaf.

So all in all, I feel like this would make some sense in terms of value:

MTL: Zegras
ANA : Dvorak (they can trade him for a decent haul at the TDL if half retained)
Armia (for cap reasons)
Price (wouldn't be a burden for the ducks, and MTL needs the LTIR spot to place Gallagher when he finally have gets a career ending injury)
Barron (solid PP guy with room to grow into a top 4 D)
Farrell (skilled potential top 6, more likely top 9 PP guy)
2024 1st (MTL) top 5 protect
2025 1st (MTL) top 10 protect

 

[BaseballCoach]

Would be kind of lateral move to trade Guhle for a F (as skilled as Zegras is). Its true that we have a ton of really solid dmen, but none (except Reinbacher and maybe Xhekaj if he keeps improving) have Guhle's defensive skillset. The only Zegras trade that could make sense for both team imo, is one that includes MTL's next 2 1st rounder (2024 being top 5 protect, and 2025 being top 10 protect). This way, ANA bets on MTL finishing bottom 10 (due to young roster and strong division), and MTL hopes to be better with Zegras and hopefully make the playoffs. Obviously, we would have to add some great pieces, but none of Guhle, Reinbacher or Slaf.

So all in all, I feel like this would make some sense in terms of value:

MTL: Zegras
ANA : Dvorak (they can trade him for a decent haul at the TDL if half retained)
Armia (for cap reasons)
Price (wouldn't be a burden for the ducks, and MTL needs the LTIR spot to place Gallagher when he finally have gets a career ending injury)
Barron (solid PP guy with room to grow into a top 4 D)
Farrell (skilled potential top 6, more likely top 9 PP guy)
2024 1st (MTL) top 5 protect
2025 1st (MTL) top 10 protect

Whoa - too much and too good being given up.

I see Zegras as a talented player but not prime leader material.

I'd offer up to four assets:

Newhook or Guhle,​

Anderson or Dvorak,​

Harris or Evans and​

a 2nd round pick.​

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They can switch the 2nd to a first if they take Gallagher

 

[waitin425]

If we are taking a swing at Zegras I doubt its a quantity for quality. They will want sold NHL pieces in return.

The ask and cost would likely be.....Guhle, Mtl 2024 1st (top3) and a 2nd rounder somewhere.

IMHO that creates another hole. Addition by subtraction. Although deep at D. Guhle is one of the few who I comfortably project as top pair.

My vote.....look for other Newhooks or Dachs out there that we can capitalize on a teams cap situation.

Or....just hope that we can nail a high scoring winger in 24 or 25. Hold the course boys!

 

[BoneHutson]

Whoa - too much and too good being given up.

I see Zegras as a talented player but not prime leader material.

I'd offer up to four assets:

Newhook or Guhle,​

Anderson or Dvorak,​

Harris or Evans and​

a 2nd round pick.​

​

They can switch the 2nd to a first if they take Gallagher

I think your valuations of Guhle, Harris and Anderson are quite off here… Guhle (though Newhook looks amazing) is far more valuable. Anderson might be worth a 1st + at the TDL while Dvorak wont fetch more than a couple of seconds (still good but not Anderson good). And Harris being a young puck moving and signed cheap D, is also much more valuable than Evans (not close imo). In fact I almost switched him with Barron in my proposal, but figured RHD hold more value, so I kept him.

 

[BoneHutson]

If we are taking a swing at Zegras I doubt its a quantity for quality. They will want sold NHL pieces in return.

The ask and cost would likely be.....Guhle, Mtl 2024 1st (top3) and a 2nd rounder somewhere.

IMHO that creates another hole. Addition by subtraction. Although deep at D. Guhle is one of the few who I comfortably project as top pair.

My vote.....look for other Newhooks or Dachs out there that we can capitalize on a teams cap situation.

Or....just hope that we can nail a high scoring winger in 24 or 25. Hold the course boys!

I dont see how my proposal is seen more as quantity than quality… Those two first pick might turn out to be Catton and a mid first in a very strong 2025 class… Then, Barron isnt Guhle but hes still a young and big skating RHD who put up some decent numbers as a rookie (look at what Sandin fetched last year (a first) and with the leafs, he looked much less dominant than Barron). Then theres Farrell who for some reasons (mainly a bad rookie tournament) is now considered a bust when hes been dominating college for two years and is highly skilled.

So the way I see it, my trade includes 3 first (Barron) (including a first that has 50/50 chance to be top 10), a solid F prospect, a solid veteran that could fetch something decent at the TDL (Dvorak), a short term cap dump to make money work, and Prices contract which wont be a huge burden for ANA (since LTIR).

Though I must say, Im only doing this trade if Zegras really wants to play for us and agrees to sign the same contract as his good friend (aka Caufield).

 

[waitin425]

I dont see how my proposal is seen more as quantity than quality… Those two first pick might turn out to be Catton and a mid first in a very strong 2025 class… Then, Barron isnt Guhle but hes still a young and big skating RHD who put up some decent numbers as a rookie (look at what Sandin fetched last year (a first) and with the leafs, he looked much less dominant than Barron). Then theres Farrell who for some reasons (mainly a bad rookie tournament) is now considered a bust when hes been dominating college for two years and is highly skilled.

So the way I see it, my trade includes 3 first (Barron) (including a first that has 50/50 chance to be top 10), a solid F prospect, a solid veteran that could fetch something decent at the TDL (Dvorak), a short term cap dump to make money work, and Prices contract which wont be a huge burden for ANA (since LTIR).

Though I must say, Im only doing this trade if Zegras really wants to play for us and agrees to sign the same contract as his good friend (aka Caufield).

Fair points....I just think they will want the best sure thing piece possible. I don't even know what their needs are. But, they are at the end of their rebuild, so the would likely ask for the closest player we have to a one for one deal. I just don't see it.

 

[BoneHutson]

Fair points....I just think they will want the best sure thing piece possible. I don't even know what their needs are. But, they are at the end of their rebuild, so the would likely ask for the closest player we have to a one for one deal. I just don't see it.

Yeah, but if they trully reach a point where they have to trade him (if he asks out or something), then I cant see another team offering the type of player youre talking about… So theyd likely have to accept the best value (in picks/prospects) which IMO would be my deal (hard to beat considering the potential high first picks).

 

[RationalExpectations]

I'm very curious if Hughes is monitoring the Pettersson and Zegras situations closely. We are deep at D and could do another Romaonv/Dach type flip. More pieces would have to be included because Pettersson and Zegras hold more value than Dach (pre trade).

I'm sure you guys talked Guhle+ before? I read that idea recently. That would be a tough call to make IMO. Guhle is not done developing and what would we have to pay Zegras? 8x $8M+.

I'm sure Hughes is keeping the phone lines of communication open. Stocking up on the D prospects and having several 1st rounders does put us in a good spot if Pettersson and/or Zegras was traded.

MTL has nothing that would interest ANA they have the best prospect pool in the league and are not going to want Anderson instead of Zegras.

If Pettersson leaves VAN it will be because he does not think they ll be able to compete right now, why would he want to sign long term in MTL especially if significant pieces are moved the other way in the trade, making MTL weaker?

 

[salbutera]

MTL has nothing that would interest ANA they have the best prospect pool in the league and are not going to want Anderson instead of Zegras.

If Pettersson leaves VAN it will be because he does not think they ll be able to compete right now, why would he want to sign long term in MTL especially if significant pieces are moved the other way in the trade, making MTL weaker?

I get that fans expect players to think “winning is all that matters”… and matters more from what I’ve seen as players get older and see the end approaching but it’s first & foremost busine$$ & lifestyle preference

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

MTL has nothing that would interest ANA they have the best prospect pool in the league and are not going to want Anderson instead of Zegras.

If Pettersson leaves VAN it will be because he does not think they ll be able to compete right now, why would he want to sign long term in MTL especially if significant pieces are moved the other way in the trade, making MTL weaker?

They have prospect depth on defense but not so much at forward. If they had to move Zegras a top forward or forward prospect would be more useful than a defenseman.