HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[MXD]

But if you're a relative or friend of a player who was 2000 miles away when this incident is said to have occured, you probably appreciate a witchhunt being averted.

That's about where Victor Mete was, and he isn't being annoyed in the slightest.

 

[BaseballCoach]

That's about where Victor Mete was, and he isn't being annoyed in the slightest.

What about the sentence I wrote after that one?

 

[BaseballCoach]

I really hope Habs go hard for Pettersson trade if he stays unhappy in VAN. Price would be high and probably one of Slaf/Dach/Newhook needs to included. Plus something like Harris, 1st and additional prospect or two. Or maybe VAN asks for Anderson/Dvorak to provide some instant players.

I'd do Newhook, Anderson, Harris and a 2nd.

 

[CHfan1]

I'd do Newhook, Anderson, Harris and a 2nd.

I would too but I doubt Vancouver would, especially if Pettersson has another season like last season (39 goals, 102 points, 7th in Selke voting).

 

[MXD]

What about the sentence I wrote after that one?

I deleted what I was writing since it would've been offtopic.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I deleted what I was writing since it would've been offtopic.

I mean, what if a player was in the hotel in his room sleeping?

 

[MXD]

I mean, what if a player was in the hotel in his room sleeping?

That has absolutely nothing to do with the question I initially asked, regarding Pierre Dorion and one player on the Ottawa Senators roster who was also on the WJC 2018 roster and who has been linked quite a few times with the investigation, as to whether the first thought the second would be off the cap for the 2023-2024 NHL season, which would go a decent way to explain his roster moves in the offseason.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Sergachev for Drouin was awful, and McDonagh for Gomez (not a winger) was also terrible.

However the idea here would be to target a FIRST liner 5 years younger than Gomez was, and way better than Drouin was. A guy who has already put up way more than 53 points like Drouin had, and with more GOALS in him.

Not that it would even work, but trading value for an Elias Pettersson or equivalent talent is a whole different proposition than 19 year old Sergachev for Drouin.

Regardless, I''m not trading Guhle (for an elite winger). Hughes will have other young Dmen to deal for needs up front but i personally wouldn't deal Guhle.

 

[The Great Weal]

Regardless, I''m not trading Guhle. Hughes will have other young Dmen to deal for needs up front but i personally wouldn't deal Guhle.

Not trading Guhle for Pettersson would be dumb. Guhle would have to become a top 5 dman in the league for that trade to bite us in the ass.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Not trading Guhle for Pettersson would be dumb. Guhle would have to become a top 5 dman in the league for that trade to bite us in the ass.

yes for Peterson; sorry was referencing the idea of trading him for a winger, even if he was considered elite.
wingers are far easier to find than Dmen and C's

 

[sampollock]

Petterson is not coming to MTL
PLD stuff all over again

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

MTL : Harris + Farrell + Calgary first pick 2025 + Kidney
for
OTT : Batherson + Joseph

Batherson could complete the CC-Suzuki trio as a RW
Joseph is a Cap dumb at this point , almost worth a first pick to get rid of him
OTT needs cap space
MTL , needs to shed some cap after this , maybe trade Dvorak for a 2nd pick or Armia with a 2nd pick for future.

Sens signed Batherson long-term to be apart of the core.

 

[Xirik]

I can't wait for the Islanders to realize they are a structurally bad team and are up for trading Barzal. Just as I shivered and excitement at thinking of Hughes and Slaf playing together, I would get the same feeling if Barzal and Slaf were together.

A S;af/Dach/Anderson line would do pretty good to but it felt like the coach didn't want that last year.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Regardless, I''m not trading Guhle (for an elite winger). Hughes will have other young Dmen to deal for needs up front but i personally wouldn't deal Guhle.

I respect that confidence in Guhle, but if he has even a 30% chance of becoming elite, I would not be averse to trading him plus affordable other assets for a guy who is already elite and has a 90% chance of remaining so.

Sens signed Batherson long-term to be apart of the core.

I agree, it makes no sense for them to trade Batherson just to be rid of Joseph.

 

[The Great Weal]

Eventually, something's gotta give about our prospects. If you wait too long, you risk losing them for nothing (potentially Ylonen) since they eventually get outplayed by one of the many other prospects.

 

[Mad]

I found the way!

We can do it with $11k to spare. I posted it earlier.

Is it the post with including Evans in a trade for Joseph ?

Is there a team with a player currently on LTIR who should come off of it, while they have a big expiring contract they would like to dump?

Looking through the league I don’t really see one, most teams that acquire players on LTIR make that acquisition fully knowing those players won’t come back.

There could definitely be one in the future as some contenders need to deal with things in a short amount time. Most of the time those type of deals happen in between seasons.

Eventually, something's gotta give about our prospects. If you wait too long, you risk losing them for nothing (potentially Ylonen) since they eventually get outplayed by one of the many other prospects.

It will happen sooner than later. Some players will likely force management’s hand to make a move.

 

[DAChampion]

Eventually, something's gotta give about our prospects. If you wait too long, you risk losing them for nothing (potentially Ylonen) since they eventually get outplayed by one of the many other prospects.

Right now Ylonen is the only "urgent" case.

I'll assume some spots open up at this year's deadline.

 

[Scriptor]

Guhle for Pettersson is a no brainer, but,it also depends on what else apart from Guhle would need to be going the other way for that deal to happen.

Montreal would still potentially have Matheson, Hutson, Engstrom, Xhekaj, Harris and Trudeau on the left side.

They'd then have mighty strong C-line.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Is it the post with including Evans in a trade for Joseph ?

Sort of, but not exactly my point. I was saying we could waive Joseph himself, plus Evans and Allen on paper for a day as part of the "big shuffle".

No one will take Allen on waivers - nochance. My point mentioning trading Evans is to deal with those who fear losing Evans on waivers. I say no problem, because if we were willing to trade Evans for Joseph in order to get an Ottawa first (remember this is probably a mid-first round at worst), we should be willing to lose him on waivers if the deal were Joseph and a first for nothing.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Is it the post with including Evans in a trade for Joseph ?



Looking through the league I don’t really see one, most teams that acquire players on LTIR make that acquisition fully knowing those players won’t come back.

There could definitely be one in the future as some contenders need to deal with things in a short amount time. Most of the time those type of deals happen in between seasons.



It will happen sooner than later. Some players will likely force management’s hand to make a move.

The Sens can buyout Joseph for a million dollars spread over 4 years next season. I think that’s a much cheeper option for them then to give away assets.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Right now Ylonen is the only "urgent" case.

I'll assume some spots open up at this year's deadline.

Spots plural - how? Defencemen don't count for Ylonen's opportunities. Monahan sounds like the type of veteran with juice left that Hughes wants to have around if healthy, and is untradeable if not.

That leaves Pearson as the only expiring contract that might be moved.

All the other candidates often mentioned for a trade or replacement are guys with term, expiring in:

2025 - Dvorak, Evans, Armia, Pezzetta​

2027 - Anderson, Gallagher​

They don't usually move at the deadline.

Toffoli was a one-off and actually before the deadline.

Lehkonen actually had no term left, was RFA for just one more year, and was looking at a significant raise. Other than Ylonen of course, we have no forwards on the roster who are RFAs after this season. RHP is signed for two years.

The Sens can buyout Joseph for a million dollars spread over 4 years next season. I think that’s a much cheeper option for them then to give away assets.

If they wait out this year, the total cap cost is $6.6M spread over 5 years including this year.

 

[DAChampion]

Toffoli was a one-off and actually before the deadline.

What a disingenuous counter argument. My point stands regardless of whether or not Hughes makes a trade on deadline day or a month before. It doesn't matter. Hughes will make the trades when he can.

Spots plural - how?

Hughes might be motivated to make trades at the deadline for many reasons. To acquire second rounders for one, to free up cap space for another, or two liberate roster spots for young players. That last reason by the way can be reason enough to trade a player for less than market value. Hughes also has 1 remaining retention spot.

I think the following could be gone by the deadline. Not necessarily on deadline day, they might be gone three weeks before, I know the distinction is important to you:

Pearson
Dvorak
Monahan
Anderson
Evans
Ylonen
RHP

Armia and Gallagher are also moveable in the context of larger packages.

 

[NewEraGM]

I love Guhle but yes id package him up so quickly for Peterssen.

Guhle + MTL 1st 2024 + (cap/money in the form of other roster players) for a SIGNED Peterssen

Our Centre lineup immediately becomes deep with EP40, Suzuki and Newhook as a 1-2-3.

We’d still have a ton of depth on defense

 

[Habs Halifax]

Petterson is not coming to MTL
PLD stuff all over again

Much lower odds vs PLD. Nice to talk about but with Dubois, it was like 20-40% chance. With Pettersson, it's like 1-5%.

I love Guhle but yes id package him up so quickly for Peterssen.

Guhle + MTL 1st 2024 + (cap/money in the form of other roster players) for a SIGNED Peterssen

Our Centre lineup immediately becomes deep with EP40, Suzuki and Newhook as a 1-2-3.

We’d still have a ton of depth on defense

I think it would cost more than Guhle and our 1st. Hard to say what our 1st ends up being at the TDL and how good of a bump up Guhle performs this year. Things can change and usually does. What if Pettersson is back to 60-80 pts range and Guhle puts up 45 pts and 12 goals?

 

[BergevinBurner]

Pettersson to Montreal isn't happening. If I'm the Canucks I'd be asking for Guhle+Dach+futures or Suzuki++ to even consider it.

We're talking about a 24 year old center that just put up a 100+ point season. Guhle would be the first of many pieces required to fetch a player like that.