HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[DAChampion]

Pettersson to Montreal isn't happening. If I'm the Canucks I'd be asking for Guhle+Dach+futures or Suzuki++ to even consider it.

We're talking about a 24 year old center that just put up a 100+ point season. Guhle would be the first of many pieces required to fetch a player like that.

If Petersson doesn't want to stay in Vancouver or Keller doesn't want to stay in Arizona, then they become available and likely for less than their actual wins over replacement value. Notice PLD was traded for less than his value.

It's also the case that the Habs 2024 1st and maybe the rights to Calgary's pick are both worth a lot more than the usual "1st, top-10 protected" available in these kinds of trades.

A package of:

Habs 2024 1st
Rights to Calgary's 1st
Barron or Mailloux or Matheson
Mesar or Kidney or Ylonen or Beck or Newhook or Anderson

Has a good chance of being the best package available.

 

[BaseballCoach]

What a disingenuous counter argument. My point stands regardless of whether or not Hughes makes a trade on deadline day or a month before. It doesn't matter. Hughes will make the trades when he can.



Hughes might be motivated to make trades at the deadline for many reasons. To acquire second rounders for one, to free up cap space for another, or two liberate roster spots for young players. That last reason by the way can be reason enough to trade a player for less than market value. Hughes also has 1 remaining retention spot.

I think the following could be gone by the deadline. Not necessarily on deadline day, they might be gone three weeks before, I know the distinction is important to you:

Pearson
Dvorak
Monahan
Anderson
Evans
Ylonen
RHP

Armia and Gallagher are also moveable in the context of larger packages.

I agree with you that the exact timing (Jan or March) is not a major deal, I was being a bit picky I guess.

In all fairness, my take on it is that I don't see anyone like Toffoli, a 30ish player with value that is not part of our plans going forward. Anderson?? For some people, maybe, but I think the actual Habs brass DOES see him in their future.

I already mentioned Pearson as being a candidate, and I explained why I don't think they will move Monahan, not after having heard Hughes lately talking about having some greybeards around to help the youngsters. A healthy Monahan virtually doubles our offensive threats.

Ylonen was the subject of the conversation at one point, meaning spots may open up FOR HIM. And so I started to look at realisticaly how many trades we might make sending away forwards, that could open a spot for him.

While RHP is not an untouchable for me, I don't think he is a really obvious 2024 deadline target. I see him as more likely to be used in a package to acquire a targeted star player next offseason, and it's a longshot.

Evans and Dvorak are potential trade pieces, perhaps, but I think the likelihood is much higher in the summer with one year to go, and if not, at the 2025 deadline.

Overall, I am less sure than many others here, that there will be lots of movement in-season this year.

But hey, I've been wrong before. Just because we were quiet at the last TDL and I think the same will happen again, doesn't mean Hughes might not pull the proverbial rabbit out of his hat.

 

[BaseballCoach]

If Petersson doesn't want to stay in Vancouver or Keller doesn't want to stay in Arizona, then they become available and likely for less than their actual wins over replacement value. Notice PLD was traded for less than his value.

It's also the case that the Habs 2024 1st and maybe the rights to Calgary's pick are both worth a lot more than the usual "1st, top-10 protected" available in these kinds of trades.

A package of:

Habs 2024 1st
Rights to Calgary's 1st
Barron or Mailloux or Matheson
Mesar or Kidney or Ylonen or Beck or Newhook or Anderson

Has a good chance of being the best package available.

I think high talent is worth trading some value for.

I'd be willing to trade Hutson as the biggest piece in a trade for Keller and Guhle as the key piece to acquire Petersson.

I'm not sure the other side would do those trades, but we could still add lesser pieces to make the offers more attractive. Is there a fit? Who knows, but no harm in exploring.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Pettersson to Montreal isn't happening. If I'm the Canucks I'd be asking for Guhle+Dach+futures or Suzuki++ to even consider it.

We're talking about a 24 year old center that just put up a 100+ point season. Guhle would be the first of many pieces required to fetch a player like that.

The first one is fair. Well, they oth are, but I can't imagine someone gives up an established player that's still young and signed for Pettersson.

If Pettersson does ask for a trade, Vancouver should rebuild and should be asking for futures and roster player with a year, or two left who has value that they can deal for more futures.

 

[Mad]

The Sens can buyout Joseph for a million dollars spread over 4 years next season. I think that’s a much cheeper option for them then to give away assets.

Buy out window is closed, they would have to wait till the end of playoffs for that. Problem is Senators need space right now for Pinto.

I don’t even believe they would deal with the Habs right now and any reported price is just rumours for now.

 

[Takeru]

No matter the type of package that VAN would prefer, if Pettersson is available there's almost no one that should be untouchable.

This isn't a PLD situation where the upgrade is marginal if we have to expend our young roster players. We're talking about a 24yo PPG center coming off a 100pts season. We have nothing approaching that at the moment, neither do we have anyone expected to come even close to that level.

I like Suzuki, Dach and co, but if they're part of the price to pay to get a top 5-10 NHL center, I wouldn't cry over it.
Adding to the fact that we allegedly have the abundance of assets both in picks/prospects to make up for the quantity given in a trade.

 

[ReHabs]

Suzuki + Mailloux + CGY1st + Farrell

Gimme Pettersson.

 

[Egresch]

Much lower odds vs PLD. Nice to talk about but with Dubois, it was like 20-40% chance. With Pettersson, it's like 1-5%.

I would say chances are higher. What is the point for EP to stay in VAN? They will be bubble team forever because of all those terrible decisions e.g. Ekman- Larsson buyout will still cost them 4,8M in 26/27. Their prospect pool is terrible, so no bright future for EP there. Then, if he really wants out what are the teams with enough trade capital and free salary space? We are really talking around 5 teams.
We did not get PLD, because Habs mngmt was not convinced and did not want to overpay. EP is a totally different story.

 

[CHfan1]

I would say chances are higher. What is the point for EP to stay in VAN? They will be bubble team forever because of all those terrible decisions e.g. Ekman- Larsson buyout will still cost them 4,8M in 26/27. Their prospect pool is terrible, so no bright future for EP there. Then, if he really wants out what are the teams with enough trade capital and free salary space? We are really talking around 5 teams.
We did not get PLD, because Habs was not convinced and did not want to overpay. EP is a totally different story.

If Pettersson were to get traded I don’t expect it to be this season. It will most likely be at or near the draft next offseason. With the Cap going up I would expect most teams would have enough cap space at that time to make room for Pettersson.

 

[Egresch]

If Pettersson were to get traded I don’t expect it to be this season. It will most likely be at or near the draft next offseason. With the Cap going up I would expect most teams would have enough cap space at that time to make room for Pettersson.

I agree with timing, but cap goes up by 4M, you need 10+ for EP. Most teams do not even have good trade capital to consider such move.

 

[CHfan1]

I agree with timing, but cap goes up by 4M, you need 10+ for EP. Most teams do not even have good trade capital to consider such move.

If the Cap goes up to $87.5 million currently 19 teams have $20 million or more in cap space in 2024-25 (I know it depends on how many players they have to sign) but that gives an indication of how many teams have the cap space to sign him. Teams would find room to trade for and sign someone like Pettersson.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Pettersson to Montreal isn't happening. If I'm the Canucks I'd be asking for Guhle+Dach+futures or Suzuki++ to even consider it.

We're talking about a 24 year old center that just put up a 100+ point season. Guhle would be the first of many pieces required to fetch a player like that.

Agreed, can't see EP going for much less than his value on an offer sheet, equivalent of 4 first round picks. So start with the Montreal next 2 firsts and add the Calgary pick and a Guhle if you want Van to listen. There are many teams like Columbus, Detroit, Arizona that need a top center that will do it if you don't.

 

[HABitual Fan]

I agree with you that the exact timing (Jan or March) is not a major deal, I was being a bit picky I guess.

In all fairness, my take on it is that I don't see anyone like Toffoli, a 30ish player with value that is not part of our plans going forward. Anderson?? For some people, maybe, but I think the actual Habs brass DOES see him in their future.

I already mentioned Pearson as being a candidate, and I explained why I don't think they will move Monahan, not after having heard Hughes lately talking about having some greybeards around to help the youngsters. A healthy Monahan virtually doubles our offensive threats.

Ylonen was the subject of the conversation at one point, meaning spots may open up FOR HIM. And so I started to look at realisticaly how many trades we might make sending away forwards, that could open a spot for him.

While RHP is not an untouchable for me, I don't think he is a really obvious 2024 deadline target. I see him as more likely to be used in a package to acquire a targeted star player next offseason, and it's a longshot.

Evans and Dvorak are potential trade pieces, perhaps, but I think the likelihood is much higher in the summer with one year to go, and if not, at the 2025 deadline.

Overall, I am less sure than many others here, that there will be lots of movement in-season this year.

But hey, I've been wrong before. Just because we were quiet at the last TDL and I think the same will happen again, doesn't mean Hughes might not pull the proverbial rabbit out of his hat.

As I said before, we don't have many players to move due to either contract length or salary ( with only one retention spot left ) that are appealing at the TDL. This also limits the opportunities to gain assets in brokering a deal as the 3rd team retaining salary so it leaves only the opportunity to trade for bad expiring contracts from teams needing to clear cap for upgraded at the TDL with whatever cap room we have for picks or prospects.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I have no idea why people are talking about Peterson when we’re clearly going to get Stamkos.

 

[HuGort]

I would say chances are higher. What is the point for EP to stay in VAN? They will be bubble team forever because of all those terrible decisions e.g. Ekman- Larsson buyout will still cost them 4,8M in 26/27. Their prospect pool is terrible, so no bright future for EP there. Then, if he really wants out what are the teams with enough trade capital and free salary space? We are really talking around 5 teams.
We did not get PLD, because Habs mngmt was not convinced and did not want to overpay. EP is a totally different story.

Habs need the big bobber down the middle. That 100 point center. All Cup teams have them. Nathan MacKinnon, Jack Eichel, Stamkos. Going to cost an arm and leg to trade for one now. Why I was such an advocate last season on weaken the team where it was such a good draft for star centers.

 

[Egresch]

Agreed, can't see EP going for much less than his value on an offer sheet, equivalent of 4 first round picks. So start with the Montreal next 2 firsts and add the Calgary pick and a Guhle if you want Van to listen. There are many teams like Columbus, Detroit, Arizona that need a top center that will do it if you don't.

Of course, his value will be very, very high, but I do not see many team who can tick all the boxes:
- Will be contender in near future
- Has enough cap space
- Has enough assets for a trade
- Is in need of top line center and is willing to pay a lot

BUF, OTT, CBJ, NJD, ANA all have elite centers in team/prospect pool. I see Habs, DET, ARI, CHI as most suitable candidates. Nobody wants to go to ARI unless they sort out things, CHI just started with rebuild, they have several intriguing prospects, but most of them will need 3-5 years to make NHL impact.
So I see Habs and Detroit as main candidates that can tick all the boxes. Maybe also teams like Seattle, Carolina or Boston might get involved.

 

[ReHabs]

Of course, his value will be very, very high, but I do not see many team who can tick all the boxes:
- Will be contender in near future
- Has enough cap space
- Has enough assets for a trade
- Is in need of top line center and is willing to pay a lot

BUF, OTT, CBJ, NJD, ANA all have elite centers in team/prospect pool. I see Habs, DET, ARI, CHI as most suitable candidates. Nobody wants to go to ARI unless they sort out things, CHI just started with rebuild, they have several intriguing prospects, but most of them will need 3-5 years to make NHL impact.
So I see Habs and Detroit as main candidates that can tick all the boxes. Maybe also teams like Seattle, Carolina or Boston might get involved.

It would be very interesting if Boston picks up Pettersson and continues on, going from strength to strength.

Or maybe the Rangers. They don’t shy away from doing what it takes to improve the team.

 

[Egresch]

It would be very interesting if Boston picks up Pettersson and continues on, going from strength to strength.

Or maybe the Rangers. They don’t shy away from doing what it takes to improve the team.

Honestly, it would take a miracle for any of them to land Pettersson. Both teams are tight on cap and they do not have a lot of trading chips to be in the game. Boston has zero prospects and Rangers are so tight with cap they will not be able to keep their RFAs (Kakko, Lafreniere, Miller). And all their big contracts have NMC clause.

 

[DAChampion]

A year from now is a better time to acquire Petersson than today.

The value of the Habs and Calgary's draft pick will go up, and hopefully many of the Habs prospects will have good seasons. For example Mailloux and Barron likely have marginal value now, but imagine if they both have good seasons.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Of course, his value will be very, very high, but I do not see many team who can tick all the boxes:
- Will be contender in near future
- Has enough cap space
- Has enough assets for a trade
- Is in need of top line center and is willing to pay a lot

BUF, OTT, CBJ, NJD, ANA all have elite centers in team/prospect pool. I see Habs, DET, ARI, CHI as most suitable candidates. Nobody wants to go to ARI unless they sort out things, CHI just started with rebuild, they have several intriguing prospects, but most of them will need 3-5 years to make NHL impact.
So I see Habs and Detroit as main candidates that can tick all the boxes. Maybe also teams like Seattle, Carolina or Boston might get involved.

He will want a team that is a contonder now, he will be 25 time is ticking.

 

[BLONG7]

EP has put his team in a real bind.............I hate when players do this through the media.
His BS will follow the Nucks all year.
What would you guys think of Suzuki or CC if they had done that to the Habs?

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

I have no idea why people are talking about Peterson when we’re clearly going to get Stamkos.

You made a little mistake, it's Malkin we're going to get !

 

[Gustave]

You made a little mistake, it's Malkin we're going to get !

It's BOTH!!

 

[BaseballCoach]

Suzuki + Mailloux + CGY1st + Farrell

Gimme Pettersson.

No, the idea is to add Petersson to Suzuki.

Much as I like the guy, Dach could be avaiable for this purpose, but not Suzuki and not Caufield.

 

[Egresch]

He will want a team that is a contonder now, he will be 25 time is ticking.

You are 25 and signing a big 8 year contract. Would you pick Boston when you know they can compete next couple seasons or would you pick Habs when you wait one more year and you will get 5 years of being a true contender_