HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[CHfan1]

July 2025 or 2026?

I ask because I notice his 3rd season was short of minimum to accrue a year (like Dach).

I’m pretty sure it’s 2025. I believe he accrued a season that year since he was out due to an injury playing in the NHL (unlike Dach who’s injury was outside the NHL).

From capfriendly:

What is an unrestricted free agent (UFA)?​

Has seven (7) Accrued Seasons where an Accrued Season is earned when the player was on the clubs active roster for 40 Regular Season games (30 if the player is a goaltender). Games missed due to a hockey related injury will count towards an accrued season in the season of the injury, plus one additional season after the injury.

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And from the CBA:

Accrued Season" means any League Year during which a Player was on a Club's Active Roster for 40 (30 if the Player is a goalie) or more Regular Season Games, provided that, for the purposes of calculating an Accrued Season under this Agreement, games missed due to a hockey-related injury incurred while on a Club's Active Roster shall count as games played for purposes of calculating an Accrued Season but only during the League Year in which the injury was incurred and a maximum of one additional season.

 

[BaseballCoach]

He's definitely overpaid. Though that is one of the factors I thought of when they signed him to that contract. On a rebuilding team, you need goalies who are decent. Who are also willing to take a beating (shots wise, lack of defense) by playing on a young team. While keeping a steady, upbeat attitude. With Allen's experience, it's almost like having a second goalie coach. If he can help some of our other young goalies. That's an added bonus right there.

But if Primeau shows well and Monty is good, and Allen sand Monty have been told they won't be traded, how does Allen mentor Primeau after we lose him to waivers?

I’m pretty sure it’s 2025. I believe he accrued a season that year since he was out due to an injury playing in the NHL (unlike Dach who’s injury was outside the NHL).

Thanks, clear now.

 

[Habs10Habs]

But if Primeau shows well and Monty is good, and Allen sand Monty have been told they won't be traded, how does Allen mentor Primeau after we lose him to waivers?

Things are different now, then when Allen originally signed the contract. Neither Monty or Primeau were quite ready to grab the reins. If Monty and Primeau show they're ready. Then there is much less of a need for Allen.

 

[Rapala]

Matheson is not a spare part, far from it. He is a highly mobile and productive d-man in his prime and at a multi-year bargain price. That being said, if other teams offer more for Petersson and his expiring contract, then they may just get him.


Were you responding to me? "Narrative" - "Flaws" - did I say anything remotely using those words?

No man I responded to the wrong post.
Regarding PLD If I recall correctly you were initially for it but your ardour soon started waning once you realized the assets plus the salary it would cost didn't make sense for our rebuild.

 

[Rapala]

That would be a spectacular robbery. I cannot imagine however Van not asking for one of our two young centers. Maybe if Monahan can play a whose season without a major injury (assuming his hips and groin are being rehabbed proactively), we might suggest Matheson and Monahan along with prospects. Unlike virtually everyone else, I think that Monahan could surprise us in that way, and he's still only 28.


I can envision a bidding war for a stratospheric talent like Pettersson.

I'll go out on a limb and say here and now we will not be in the market for EP as a RFA. If he isn't going to sign with Vancouver he likely goes as a hockey trade before TDL and there are other teams who can/will outbid us. For me we are still two seasons away from trying to make a big splash via trade or free agency. This will allow for our prospects to mature and hopefully gain value while we continue to shed the last remnants of Bergevin's folly. Only Gallagher will remain.

 

[Runner77]

I'll go out on a limb and say here and now we will not be in the market for EP as a RFA. If he isn't going to sign with Vancouver he likely goes as a hockey trade before TDL and there are other teams who can/will outbid us. For me we are still two seasons away from trying to make a big splash via trade or free agency. This will allow for our prospects to mature and hopefully gain value while we continue to shed the last remnants of Bergevin's folly. Only Gallagher will remain.

Not likely traded to the Habs but still possible.

Might depend on what other trading capital Hughes accumulates by the time EP is being discussed for a trade such that it makes for a deal that stings less than if it were done now. Of course, it’ll always sting as you have to give to get.

 

[bsl]

4th line... in Laval?

4th line... in Laval?

Re klapka. Know nothing about him but a huge bruiser on line 4 that can fight might mean jack doesn’t break his knuckles again this year. I am torn on the helmet on fighting rule though agree with the intent. Preventing concussions. Especially in falls on the head. But fighters are breaking their hands on helmets. You might start to see a lot more body punching in fights. I’m good with that.

 

[bsl]

If a guy like Pettersson is availlable, you need to ask to yourself, what could be the price for a guy like Suzuki... Would you trade Suzuki for OEL, Jett Woo, Beauvillier and a 2nd pick?

This deal is close to Matheson, RHP, Struble and 2nd pick for Pettersson.

Not even close. First rounder to start. A high one. Suzuki. And say Harris. Even that would not be enough.

 

[bsl]

I don't see a Pettersson deal that doesn't include Suzuki. The Habs have depth in certain places that it wouldn't hurt that terribly to trade for Pettersson though.

Suzuki + Beck + Xhekaj + Col 2nd

fits lots of the needs the Canucks have while not harming the Habs in the longterm

the cost may change as time goes by and the Canucks a left with less rope and if Pettersson says he will only resign with certain teams but to get him right now I think it would cost at least what I posted above.

A lot of this depends on dachs progression this year. If he does progress Suzuki becomes available with a solid contract. Better than nothing for nucks but Habs would have to add potential top ten first as well.

 

[Scriptor]

A lot of this depends on dachs progression this year. If he does progress Suzuki becomes available with a solid contract. Better than nothing for nucks but Habs would have to add potential top ten first as well.

I wouldn't give one of Suzuki or Dach AND Beck.

No way.

Maybe Montreal gets Pettersson in a 3-way deal with Montreal getting a later, replacement first rounder back by including Anderson?

 

[HuGort]

Meier went for less value than EP would cost because (1) he was a pending UFA, (2) he is a winger, not a center, (3) Meier is older, and (4) he didn't appear to come with an agreed upon contract extension (based on the amount of time it took NJ to re-sign him).

Sure, the Habs have the assets to make a trade for EP. However, the question is whether they are willing to pay what it will cost (probably a core piece, along with picks/prospects), and would EP even want to play in Montreal.

Why was so profound to acquire Dubois. He's one of few top picks willing to sign long term here. Straight from horses mouth in recent draft video. Hughes said, top three pick can't get those guys. Have to draft them. Likely never get another chance to trade and "sign" a top three talent. Even if have to overpay, still a deal. Because can't get them.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

A lot of this depends on dachs progression this year. If he does progress Suzuki becomes available with a solid contract. Better than nothing for nucks but Habs would have to add potential top ten first as well.

Suzuki won't be available and it would take Suzuki and another NHL player like Newhook and prospects or draft picks. Absolutely no point in doing that because they can't afford to give up 2 proven forwards. It would take too long to fill out the top 2 lines then.
It would only make sense to trade for Petterson if Vancouver takes maybe one NHL player (Dach) and futures.

 

[HuGo boss]

I'd offer dach, engstrom, top 2 protected 1st rd and salary dump (armia,Allen, gally) for extended under 10m petterson

 

[DAChampion]

The roster could look good with EP.

Slafkovsky - Petersson - Cauldield
Monahan - Suzuki - Newhook
Ylonen - Dvorak - Roy
Harvey Pinard - Kidney - Pezzetta

Guhle - Reinbacher
Matheson Struble
Hutson - Xhekaj

Fowler
Primeau

 

[The Real Timo]

When does the camp start? I am so done with all the speculations, top 25 under 25, young this, old that,... Get the shit going! Bring 'em back and start banging!

Let RHP loose!!!

 

[BaseballCoach]

No man I responded to the wrong post.
Regarding PLD If I recall correctly you were initially for it but your ardour soon started waning once you realized the assets plus the salary it would cost didn't make sense for our rebuild.

Yes, I was in favour of making an offer to the Jets and one to PLD, but each had to be reasonable.

That's how I look at every opportunity. Nothing is ever "at any cost" for me.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Re klapka. Know nothing about him but a huge bruiser on line 4 that can fight might mean jack doesn’t break his knuckles again this year. I am torn on the helmet on fighting rule though agree with the intent. Preventing concussions. Especially in falls on the head. But fighters are breaking their hands on helmets. You might start to see a lot more body punching in fights. I’m good with that.

That is the solution to the safety issue.

Five minutes for body punches (fighting). Match penalty and multi-game suspensions for punches to the head.

 

[Lockin17]

EP signed for 12.5mil x 8 years
for
Dach + Ghule + first pick 2024 (unprotected) + Farrell/Mesar

This would be what i would propose .

Still have on LHD so Ghule could be expandable
Matheson
Harris
Wifi
Hutson
Engstrom
Trudeau

Dach as well is expendable.
EP
Suzuki
Dvorak
Newhook

But to be honest i rather keep these guys .
EP is not our savior at all to me.

 

[DAChampion]

Armia, Dvorak, and a 2nd.

 

[Miller Time]

EP signed for 12.5mil x 8 years
for
Dach + Ghule + first pick 2024 (unprotected) + Farrell/Mesar

No thanks

Don't doubt he could get that kind of value... I do seriously doubt that we're better set up for a long contending window after that.

 

[Sunfyre]

Still talking about EP. Vancouver is going to make him a captain and he signs long term with them if they have a good start of the season. If they have a slow start and he wants out, it’s because he wants to win in his prime. Montreal is nowhere near competing so wouldn’t be a desired destination for him. Don’t see HuGo parting with top assets for a player who’s very likely not interested to stay long term

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I'm not interested in Elias Pettersson.

Apparently the Habs are trying to trade DeSmith.

Canadiens Looking To Move Casey DeSmith

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Armia, Dvorak, and a 2nd.

What's Vancouver adding to Pettersson ? Better be Hughes at 50%

I'm not interested in Elias Pettersson.

Apparently the Habs are trying to trade DeSmith.

Canadiens Looking To Move Casey DeSmith

Yeah, that's old ass news.

 

[bsl]

Armia, Dvorak, and a 2nd.

Hitting lobs over the net there DA? And you know it you devil

 

[Runner77]

Hitting lobs over the net there DA? And you know it you devil

DA packs a wallop. You ought to see his take on the mentally ill who post on this forum.