There's no market for DeSmith. If there was, he would have been gone already. The Habs will place him on waivers, and some team will claim him for free. The consolitation is getting Légaré and a late second for Pitlick and Hoffman.
HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon
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How did you come up with this!?
Seriously?
Struble as the 2nd pairing D on his offside? Couldn't care less he played on his offside in the minors -- how does he become a stalworth top-4 D playing on his offside at the NHL level?
Based on what?
If this is your bottom-6 of the future:
Ylonen - Dvorak - Roy
Harvey Pinard - Kidney - Pezzetta
...something went seriously wrong, IMO, because that definitely mustn't be the bottom-6 of the present.
DAChampion
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~Yawn.
You have to make something up for players going the other way or being lost to time, in this case it was Monahan, Dach, Mailloux, Savard, Anderson, Armia, Gallagher (ETA: forgot Barron, Mesar, Engstrom). I'm sure some others would come in.
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They'd have to, because I don't see a very powerful roster from what you proposed, even with Pettersson on board. It sounds like a top-heavy lineup lacking true depth to win anything and it even still lacks the star power of other teams that can't win anything while lacking skilled depth.
You also had Monahan in your proposed aftermath of the Pettersson trade lineup.
Assuming Monahan, Dach, Mailloux, Savard and Anderson were gone, with Hughes miraculously (and happily) offloading both Armia and Gallagher, I still think you could present a stronger, more realistic lineup, before adding any others that would come in.
Up front, barring anything else coming in, you'd have to rely on prospect panning out, maybe Roy to play higher up in the lineup and add some hockey sense and two-way moxie?
Caufield - Pettersson - Roy
Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Newhook
RHP - Beck - Heineman
Kidney - Dvorak - Ylonen
I still think Montreal would need to make a trade or dip into the UFA pool to upgrade the top-6 in order to truly contend in the future.
However, on D, even with Mailloux and Savard gone, the Habs should remain strong.
However, as much as I'd like to see Guhle - Reinbacher as a future 1st pairing, Mailloux being gone tends to skew that portrait up, IMO.
It doesn't mean that Guhle-Reinbacher wouldn't be put out there, depending on game situations where the opponent needed be shut down, but, a more realistic D-Corps might look as follows, at least until Hutson proved he could handle the full time rigours of the NHL:
Matheson - Reinbacher
Guhle - Engstrom
Hutson - Xhekaj
The Matheson - Reinbacher pairing would be more offensive, IMO and the Guhle - Engstrom pairing would still have the shut down potential lost from separating Guhle from Reinbacher at even strength while the game is not on the line.
Xhekaj would certainly protect the more diminutive Hutson and playing the latter against weaker opposition would definitely provide unexpected/unprecedented offensive production from a 3rd pairing.
Of course, Hutson would also have a PP role on the point, perhaps with Reinbacher as his pairing partner then?
Caufield - Pettersson - Roy (That remains a big question mark)
Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Newhook (that remains a big question mark)
RHP - Beck - Heineman
Kidney - Dvorak - Ylonen (no clue how this line really ends up, TBH)
Matheson - Reinbacher (Reinbacher good complement to let Matheson loose)
Guhle - Engstrom (Good shut down pairing with offensive upside, nonetheless)
Hutson - Xhekaj (Good way to shelter Hutson at even strength)
I'd definitely have interest for such a lineup in Hab Land, but I still think we'd be short upfront to become a perennial contender. However, holes could likely refilled through the trade of futures at that pointer via the UFA front.
If Vancouver is forced to trade EP it would be the beginning of a rebuild since they have a weak prospect pool. Montreal '25 and '26 1sts and the Calgary 1st for starters and add some prospects like Harris, Kidney, and Roy. Don't think they would be looking for players over 23 if they are tearing it down.
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I doubt it would take six pieces but that trade sounds good.
I'd rather he clears rather than lose him for nothing, though losing him for nothing is still better than paying to honour another stupid Hughes promise.
Best case, he clears, we play three goalies, and if deSmith and/or Allen play well, Montembeault won't be greedy on an extension and one of them might get us value if a contender loses a starting goalie and wants a good solid backup for their suddenly graduated backup.
Also, playing three goalies when your extra skaters are mostly young is fine. Who needs TWO young guys in the stands (plus Armia)? One is enough.
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I'm not gonna lose sleep over DeSmith, that's for sure. Article says Habs will try to trade him and might keep 3 goalies until they can. Wouldn't be the end of the world, if it doesn't drag on too long, I guess.
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Would Kakko be interesting as a target next summer? Value will depend on his performance this year, but he'd be a great complimentary top-6 forward. RFA at the end of the year, NYR have very little cap space.
Beck + Anderson + Montreal 2024 1st round pick + Worst of Montreal or CAL 1st round pick in 2025.
One of Suzuki or Dach would end upon the wing in Montreal and it would likely be Dach with Pettersson getting Caufield and Dach as wingers, not Suzuki anymore.
Suzuki would likely develop chemistry with a winger like Roy. Newhook could be the LW on that line, but Slafkovsky likely beats him out and I'd prefer that Newhook center the third line now that Beck would be put of the picture.
Some might disagree placing so many prospects in a future lineup, but I could definitely see this as a future top-9:
Caufield - Pettersson - Dach
Slafkjovsky - Suzuki - Roy
RHP - Newhook - Anderson
The top-9 would be insulated in case of injury at C, with Dach able to step in anywhere in the lineup at that position.
Maybe even more so if Mesar makes a case for himself and joins the lineup:
Caufield - Pettersson - Dach
Slafkjovsky - Suzuki - Roy
RHP - Newhook - Anderson
Kidney - Mesar - Heineman
No way it ever works out this way with this many prospects making it to the show, never mind having an impact in the show, but why not dream about potential?
With all these mock EP trades no one seams to take into consideration what the player wants. If he’s traded next offseason, it’s going to be a sign and trade deal. He will have ultimately control over where he’s going to end up. Is Montreal contending for a cup in the next 5 years? Why would he be interested?
True. And that is why Petterson will not be a Hab. HuGo will not trade multiple proven players for him. That would only happen if it was 2-3 years down the road and several forward prospects have shown the ability to be scoring line forwards.
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We're speculating because (1) we're hockey fans and this is fun and (2) we want something to talk about.
These trade proposals take into account, and take for granted, that EP would be interested in playing in Montreal. Just like the previous PLD proposals.
I’m not convinced Vancouver would ever go the rebuild route…I suspect they would go for a Tkachuk type trade and not load up on futures..
We're not equipped whatsoever to pull up such a trade.
Buffalo, Ottawa, and Carolina probably have the elements to make such a trade IMO.
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Elias Petterson seems to be a very low key type personality, can’t envision him wanting anything to do with the hockey circus atmosphere that is Mtl
Moreover, when was the last time a 25-yr old superstar ever left his team as UFA? Nucks will find a way to get him signed, especially with the affinity Swedes have had for Van over the last 20-years
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It's fun to read about someone that will most likely never end up here, for weeks on end with the same things being repeated over and over? Sounds more like some need to go touch grass for a while.
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It’s like you’re new to these board. Lol.
After EP it’ll be another player and another after him. This is the way.
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I mean PLD is not even close to EP , totally different stratosphere of players.
Id give up the farm for EP on an extension.
Dvorak+ Harris and 2nd is still on the table for Pierre Luc Diva though
Id give up the farm for EP on an extension.
Dvorak+ Harris and 2nd is still on the table for Pierre Luc Diva though
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So is Hughes gonna do the smart thing and recoup assets from Allen ? Or is he keeping him because he's good in the room and trading CDS for nothing ?
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