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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

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Ezpz said:
EP is bailing on his team if they don't improve while Nick is a great leader who seems to be fostering the culture change in our dressing room and has set the bar on not getting greedy with contracts that others have started to follow. I don't think that trade ends up balancing in our favour. EP is a good addition but he's not the piece that can win on his own, he doesn't have the mental ability.
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Who needs elite skill when we have Karakter...
 
Sterling Archer said:
Who needs elite skill when we have Karakter...
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Vancouver have elite skill and are a worse team with a lesser future than us. You need a combination of both. It is not as if Suzuki is a plug either. Before last season EP wasn't even a 70 point player and had comparable numbers to Nick with lesser defensive abilities. He's a year older than Nick despite being in the same draft, we'll see if Nick has a similar breakout playing a full season with Caufield, who is better than Kuzmenko, and Matheson on the PP, who is a much better option than what we've been running.
 
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Ezpz said:
Vancouver have elite skill and are a worse team with a lesser future than us. You need a combination of both. It is not as if Suzuki is a plug either. Before last season EP wasn't even a 70 point player and had comparable numbers to Nick with lesser defensive abilities. He's a year older than Nick despite being in the same draft, we'll see if Nick has a similar breakout playing a full season with Caufield, who is better than Kuzmenko, and Matheson on the PP, who is a much better option than what we've been running.
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EP is a ppg player on a shit team. He’s a killer on PP and PK. I love me some Suzuki but brah, not even a question.
 
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Ezpz said:
Vancouver have elite skill and are a worse team with a lesser future than us. You need a combination of both. It is not as if Suzuki is a plug either. Before last season EP wasn't even a 70 point player and had comparable numbers to Nick with lesser defensive abilities. He's a year older than Nick despite being in the same draft, we'll see if Nick has a similar breakout playing a full season with Caufield, who is better than Kuzmenko, and Matheson on the PP, who is a much better option than what we've been running.
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Petterson's career PPG even before last year's 102 point season was 0.9. Now it's 0.99. Suzuki's is 0.72. They aren't the same class of player and I've seen a lot of both. Unfortunately for Vancouver, Benning ruined their Petterson/Hughes/Demko era beyond repair with one terrible move after another.

If EP bails on the Canucks it's going to be for a competitive team, not the current Habs.
 
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Whalers Fan said:
... and I am sure that if Hughes calls up Vancouver and explains that, the Canucks will happily send EP to the Habs for a couple of B prospects and a mid round draft pick.
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The Habs can offer an excellent package without offering Suzuki.

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Nico Cauzuki said:
Kirby Dach
2024 1st round pick ( should be top 10 or 15 )
Justin Barron
Jesse Ylonen
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DAChampion said:
The Habs can offer an excellent package without offering Suzuki.

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Yes, but Dach is also a valuable piece of the Habs core (as could be that 2024 1st round pick). Some folks around here seem to be under the impression that a player like EP can be obtained without giving up significant assets. We've seen deals where either Matheson or a late 1st round pick that the team doesn't even have being offered here as the main piece in a trade.
 
Stompin Paul Peller said:
Hughes must have wanted Allen back quite bad to give him that contract. Tie up 4m in caproom in this cap tight season, on An oft-injured backup caliber goalie. Only reason I can think of is a Habs reporter was on 690 after Allen signed his extension. Said Allen good working with young goalies. I noticed uptick in Monty play and Billington was at his best when Allen was on Blues. Only reason I can think of. Not sure though.
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He's definitely overpaid. Though that is one of the factors I thought of when they signed him to that contract. On a rebuilding team, you need goalies who are decent. Who are also willing to take a beating (shots wise, lack of defense) by playing on a young team. While keeping a steady, upbeat attitude. With Allen's experience, it's almost like having a second goalie coach. If he can help some of our other young goalies. That's an added bonus right there.
 
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Riggins said:
Petterson's career PPG even before last year's 102 point season was 0.9. Now it's 0.99. Suzuki's is 0.72. They aren't the same class of player and I've seen a lot of both. Unfortunately for Vancouver, Benning ruined their Petterson/Hughes/Demko era beyond repair with one terrible move after another.

If EP bails on the Canucks it's going to be for a competitive team, not the current Habs.
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The thing is Vancouver have consistently had good line mates for him. He never had to do the lifting on his own and he's only led the team in scoring twice. Their problem isn't up front. They've got a worse D we did last year, which is saying something. It should also be noted that they play in the weakest division in the league where there a lot of guys are getting inflated numbers.

He is better than Nick but it would not be a 40 point upgrade to go from Nick Suzuki to EP on the 2022-23 Habs like many may think, hockey isn't plug and play. I think you'll see his numbers dwindle quite a bit this year as Boudreau played a very up tempo offense game and Tocchet is the complete opposite.
 
Whalers Fan said:
Petersson will be a RFA, not a UFA. There's a big difference. EP will almost certainly command a big return if Vancouver pursues a trade. Young, two-way centers with a 100 point season on the resume don't become available very often.
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Make a Meier type trade. Give up a late first, former late first, Mesar, plus a second rounder for stud 40 goal scorer. What Devil's gave up Meier.
 
Stompin Paul Peller said:
Make a Meier type trade. Give up a late first, former late first, Mesar, plus a second rounder for stud 40 goal scorer. What Devil's gave up Meier.
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That's not even close to getting it done. You are offering a late 1st, a prospect who had a down season, and a 2nd for a young, two way center with a 100 point season? Look at what it took to acquire Eichel and PLD, and then increase it.
 
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Whalers Fan said:
Matheson's at best a 2nd pairing defenseman on a decent team -- he's only on the top pair now with the Habs because their defense is so young. If he's still with the team in two years and is still on the top pair, then something went very wrong. He's also the best piece in your trade proposal. That doesn't even come close to getting EP.

And you keep mentioning EP being on an expiring contract. Any deal that is made for him is going to come with a contract extension -- it almost always does in these deals.

Would you trade away Suzuki for a 2nd pair defenseman, a B prospect, a 3rd line forward, and a 2nd round pick?
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Matheson is being seriously under-rated on this board. The league took notice last year.

That being said, my proposal was off-base because I erred in thinking Pëtersson will be UFA in 2024.

Since he is not, then my leverage assumptions were off.

Forget EP at this time.
 
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Ezpz said:
Vancouver have elite skill and are a worse team with a lesser future than us. You need a combination of both. It is not as if Suzuki is a plug either. Before last season EP wasn't even a 70 point player and had comparable numbers to Nick with lesser defensive abilities. He's a year older than Nick despite being in the same draft, we'll see if Nick has a similar breakout playing a full season with Caufield, who is better than Kuzmenko, and Matheson on the PP, who is a much better option than what we've been running.
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EP is better defensively than Suzuki… while being also a lot better offensively.
 
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Ezpz said:
EP is bailing on his team if they don't improve while Nick is a great leader who seems to be fostering the culture change in our dressing room and has set the bar on not getting greedy with contracts that others have started to follow. I don't think that trade ends up balancing in our favour. EP is a good addition but he's not the piece that can win on his own, he doesn't have the mental ability.
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No single piece can win on his own. You’re trashing this player because he was unlucky enough to be drafted by Vancouver.
 
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Just popping by to see if PLD has asked for a trade out of LA yet?


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Whalers Fan said:
That's not even close to getting it done. You are offering a late 1st, a prospect who had a down season, and a 2nd for a young, two way center with a 100 point season? Look at what it took to acquire Eichel and PLD, and then increase it.
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Those Meier trades have to be out there though. Other teams make them. Quite often. Canadiens have the caproom and extra picks and prospect to get it done
 
Stompin Paul Peller said:
Those Meier trades have to be out there though. Other teams make them. Quite often. Canadiens have the caproom and extra picks and prospect to get it done
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Some posters here always have an excuse.

No trades in the division, no trades in the conference, players don't want to be in Canada, not the right time, not enough cap space, not enough prospect depth, players like Meier and Eichel never get traded, etc.
 
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CHfan1 said:
Pettersson is still a RFA next offseason so he wouldn’t be able to leave for nothing. The earliest he can be an UFA is the 2025-26 season.
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July 2025 or 2026?

I ask because I notice his 3rd season was short of minimum to accrue a year (like Dach).
 
Stompin Paul Peller said:
Those Meier trades have to be out there though. Other teams make them. Quite often. Canadiens have the caproom and extra picks and prospect to get it done
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Meier went for less value than EP would cost because (1) he was a pending UFA, (2) he is a winger, not a center, (3) Meier is older, and (4) he didn't appear to come with an agreed upon contract extension (based on the amount of time it took NJ to re-sign him).

Sure, the Habs have the assets to make a trade for EP. However, the question is whether they are willing to pay what it will cost (probably a core piece, along with picks/prospects), and would EP even want to play in Montreal.
 
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