HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Hins77]

Matheson is not a spare part, far from it. He is a highly mobile and productive d-man in his prime and at a multi-year bargain price. That being said, if other teams offer more for Petersson and his expiring contract, then they may just get him.


Were you responding to me? "Narrative" - "Flaws" - did I say anything remotely using those words?

If a guy like Pettersson is availlable, you need to ask to yourself, what could be the price for a guy like Suzuki... Would you trade Suzuki for OEL, Jett Woo, Beauvillier and a 2nd pick?

This deal is close to Matheson, RHP, Struble and 2nd pick for Pettersson.

 

[Xirik]

I don't see a Pettersson deal that doesn't include Suzuki. The Habs have depth in certain places that it wouldn't hurt that terribly to trade for Pettersson though.

Suzuki + Beck + Xhekaj + Col 2nd

fits lots of the needs the Canucks have while not harming the Habs in the longterm

the cost may change as time goes by and the Canucks a left with less rope and if Pettersson says he will only resign with certain teams but to get him right now I think it would cost at least what I posted above.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I don't see a Pettersson deal that doesn't include Suzuki. The Habs have depth in certain places that it wouldn't hurt that terribly to trade for Pettersson though.

Suzuki + Beck + Xhekaj + Col 2nd

fits lots of the needs the Canucks have while not harming the Habs in the longterm

the cost may change as time goes by and the Canucks a left with less rope and if Pettersson says he will only resign with certain teams but to get him right now I think it would cost at least what I posted above.

I’d be fine having a top two of Peterson and Dach. Wouldn’t happen but I’m fine with that.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

The Habs' trade capital will be unreal at the end of this year if both the Habs and Rocket stay healthy.

Imagine if at least four of Huston, Reinbacher, Engstrom, Mailloux, Trudeau, Struble, Harris, and Barron have good seasons.

Probability is OK, but if 4 are trending well the Habs pretty much need to hold them still.

 

[DAChampion]

Probability is OK, but if 4 are trending well the Habs pretty much need to hold them still.

No, because I didn't mention Guhle, Matheson, Savard, and Xhekaj.

If four of the prior group are trending well, Hughes will be able to make an awesome trade.

 

[BaseballCoach]

If a guy like Pettersson is availlable, you need to ask to yourself, what could be the price for a guy like Suzuki... Would you trade Suzuki for OEL, Jett Woo, Beauvillier and a 2nd pick?

This deal is close to Matheson, RHP, Struble and 2nd pick for Pettersson.

Matheson is ten times better tha OEL. Literally.

RHP is more valuable at 2 x $1.1M than Beauvillier.

Also, Suzuki is not on an expiring contract and signalling that he is not coming back (assuming that would be the case with EP).

 

[Hins77]

Matheson is ten times better tha OEL. Literally.

RHP is more valuable at 2 x $1.1M than Beauvillier.

ALso, Suzuki is not on an expring contract and signalling that he is not coming back (assuming that would be the case with EP).

Starter for EP is something like. First pick + A prospect like Lane Hutson. After that, you could add your matheson and the rest of package that you want…

 

[BaseballCoach]

Starter for EP is something like. First pick + A prospect like Lane Hutson. After that, you could add your matheson and the rest of package that you want…

A doable trade will not be possible until VAN managemnt comes to grips with the fact that EP is leaving next summer.

That leaves them with two options: getting a rental price or getting a price reduced by the fact that the acquiring team has to pay a fortune to extend him.

The package I am suggesting is miles better than a rental price. If there is a team willing to pay more than i suggested for the chance to sign EP to a UFA-value deal, I'd be surprised.

If I'm the Vancouver GM, the only reason to not take the deal I proposed right now is that the hope to extend him may still be there.

 

[Hins77]

A doable trade will not be possible until VAN managemnt comes to grips with the fact that EP is leaving next summer.

That leaves them with getting a rental price or getting a price reduced by the fact that the acquiring team has to pay a fortune to extend him.

I would pay a fortune to get a 24 years old, 100 pts/year as a manager. And if this is not me that would pay the price, it gonna be another one. The moment you pay the fortune, Vancouver is willing accept the cap dump like Armia

 

[Miller Time]

Those trade proposition including Matheson need to stop. Lol. Matheson isnt seen as a really good defender around the league. At least, he is like a 3rd dman like many teams already have. I agree, he is a good one here. But the moment we become contender, Matheson is the 4th best dman, not the first like now.

I agree that the EP trade proposal with Matheson from BC was ridiculously lopsided in our favor, but your response seems to undervalue Matheson...

Where is this evidence that he "isn't seen as a really good defender around the league"?

I can think of a dozen teams he'd easily be a top 2 dman on... and if he builds on last year's strong play, he'll cement himself as an absolute bargain at his <5M cap hit for 2 more yrs after this season.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I agree that the EP trade proposal with Matheson from BC was ridiculously lopsided in our favor, but your response seems to undervalue Matheson...

Where is this evidence that he "isn't seen as a really good defender around the league"?

I can think of a dozen teams he'd easily be a top 2 dman on... and if he builds on last year's strong play, he'll cement himself as an absolute bargain at his <5M cap hit for 2 more yrs after this season.

Of course a trade like that helps Montreal, but it helps Vancouver too, if it is true he is leaving next summer for nothing.

 

[CHfan1]

Of course a trade like that helps Montreal, but it helps Vancouver too, if it is true he is leaving next summer for nothing.

Pettersson is still a RFA next offseason so he wouldn’t be able to leave for nothing. The earliest he can be an UFA is the 2025-26 season.

My guess is if Pettersson were to get traded it would come with a long term contract extension for the team that’s trading for him. Of course, if he puts up another 100 point plus season the AAV will be really high on that next contract ($11 million + is my guess).

 

[Miller Time]

Of course a trade like that helps Montreal, but it helps Vancouver too, if it is true he is leaving next summer for nothing.

If they shop him around, I'd be floored if the offer you proposed is even in the ballpark of the value he gets moved for.

EP is an RFA, not a UFA... Has no injury issues/concerns & has had a more productive career start than Eichel had. The nucks will get something on par or better than what the Sabres got (Krebs, Tuch, protected 1st, 2nd). Matheson, Strubble, RHP & a 2nd doesn't come close to the value they will seek, and get imo.

 

[CHfan1]

If they shop him around, I'd be floored if the offer you proposed is even in the ballpark of the value he gets moved for.

EP is an RFA, not a UFA... Has no injury issues/concerns & has had a more productive career start than Eichel had. The nucks will get something on par or better than what the Sabres got (Krebs, Tuch, protected 1st, 2nd). Matheson, Strubble, RHP & a 2nd doesn't come close to the value they will seek, and get imo.

Eichel also required surgery after he got traded as well. He also wanted a type of surgery Buffalo didn’t want to approve. The team trading for him had to be ok with the surgery Eichel wanted to have. This would have played a part in his trade value.

 

[Hins77]

I agree that the EP trade proposal with Matheson from BC was ridiculously lopsided in our favor, but your response seems to undervalue Matheson...

Where is this evidence that he "isn't seen as a really good defender around the league"?

I can think of a dozen teams he'd easily be a top 2 dman on... and if he builds on last year's strong play, he'll cement himself as an absolute bargain at his <5M cap hit for 2 more yrs after this season.

To my opinion, I see Matheson as an offensive second pairing Dman. As Jeff Petry was for us back in the days.. and Personnally, I take 29 years old Jeff Petry over 29 years old Mike Matheson. My opnion is not to say Matheson is a bad player. I value him as a 3rd dman like we we were valuing Petry back in the day. This is how I appreciate the player. But, the moment we put Matheson on package for Pettersson, non sense is starting to me.

 

[DiglettDangles]

Of course a trade like that helps Montreal, but it helps Vancouver too, if it is true he is leaving next summer for nothing.

Elias Pettersson (the star center, not the D prospect) is RFA next summer, which explains why your offer is perceived low.
Also the rumour is that depending on next season results he will either sign short term or long term - nowhere was it mentioned he's thinking of holding out.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

No, because I didn't mention Guhle, Matheson, Savard, and Xhekaj.

If four of the prior group are trending well, Hughes will be able to make an awesome trade.

Savard and Matheson are ones that will be moved out.

 

[HuGort]

And just how are you planning on obtaining EP without trading any of those Habs players you just mentioned?

We should have a bunch of first picks by deadline. Monahan, Savard, Anderson could be moved by then.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Matheson is not a spare part, far from it. He is a highly mobile and productive d-man in his prime and at a multi-year bargain price. That being said, if other teams offer more for Petersson and his expiring contract, then they may just get him.

Matheson's at best a 2nd pairing defenseman on a decent team -- he's only on the top pair now with the Habs because their defense is so young. If he's still with the team in two years and is still on the top pair, then something went very wrong. He's also the best piece in your trade proposal. That doesn't even come close to getting EP.

And you keep mentioning EP being on an expiring contract. Any deal that is made for him is going to come with a contract extension -- it almost always does in these deals.

Would you trade away Suzuki for a 2nd pair defenseman, a B prospect, a 3rd line forward, and a 2nd round pick?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

We should have a bunch of first picks by deadline. Monahan, Savard, Anderson could be moved by then.

Monahan would need to be pretty much healthy for the first time in a long time.

Savard would need to play well and no guarantee he's dealt.

No guarantee Anderson is dealt.

Vancouver would likely want the Habs 1st in the deal for him and he's EASILY worth the Habs first at any position.

I'd have to imagine Dach would go back in this deal.

Unless the nucks lose him they sell everyone, in which case they're still getting the Habs 1st, plus any extra 1sts, Hutson, Beck, etc for Pettersson and Hughes.

That's just a big trade at that point

 

[Whalers Fan]

We should have a bunch of first picks by deadline. Monahan, Savard, Anderson could be moved by then.

Don't count on any of them being moved, or that they return 1st round picks. We heard the same last season with Monahan, Edmundson, and Dadanov, and for various reasons none of them returned anything worthwhile.

If you want to "go hard" after EP, as you stated, that means including something that's going to hurt -- either Suzuki or Dach -- along with other pieces.

 

[HuGort]

Don't count on any of them being moved, or that they return 1st round picks. We heard the same last season with Monahan, Edmundson, and Dadanov, and for various reasons none of them returned anything worthwhile.

If you want to "go hard" after EP, as you stated, that means including something that's going to hurt -- either Suzuki or Dach -- along with other pieces.

No, he be UFA, not command top return.

 

[Weltschmerz]

No team will offer the Nucks a Suzuki.

Canes would

 

[Whalers Fan]

No, he be UFA, not command top return.

Petersson will be a RFA, not a UFA. There's a big difference. EP will almost certainly command a big return if Vancouver pursues a trade. Young, two-way centers with a 100 point season on the resume don't become available very often.

 

[Ezpz]

EP is bailing on his team if they don't improve while Nick is a great leader who seems to be fostering the culture change in our dressing room and has set the bar on not getting greedy with contracts that others have started to follow. I don't think that trade ends up balancing in our favour. EP is a good addition but he's not the piece that can win on his own, he doesn't have the mental ability.