It may have prevented us from having to extend Allen if he could have.
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He has never lived up to the hype and I doubt he ever will.
That's a very fair point but being a complete fan with zero scouting ability my gut tells me he simply isn't NHL material. I truly hope to eat my words.
It comes down to Perception and Pedigree. Monty was never supposed to amount to anything that can't be said for the highly touted Primeau. Both were given the opportunity to play and as much as people said Sam sucked his first year he did show glimpses of stellar play and combativity. I've never seen that combativity in Primeau and I never got the sense that the team performed well in front of him.
Highly touted? He was taken in the 7th round. No one thought much of him on draft day.
On this board dude. We've heard nothing but how good Primeau is going to be since we acquired him.
Oh and who was Sam's daddy?
HabzSauce
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I was thinking the exact same. Sounds like a no brainer for VAN
HuGort
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This board was electric when news broke Dubois wanted to play in Montreal. In history of message board, it was most excited fans in Montreal been about a trade. These posters loved the idea.
And yet 65% of our board voted they didn't want him at all or only as an Unrestricted Free Agent so that excitement was lukewarm at best for a large portion of our membership.
Habs Halifax
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It may have prevented us from having to extend Allen if he could have.
Allen under contract for two more years does not hurt us. The signing made sense because when we extended him, Monty was not trending as well as he is today. At that point, several in our herd were likely talking Allen/Primeau pairing.
I don't agree with this and it appears to be a twist narrative. Most wanted him but that group was divided by trade vs wait till UFA from what I remember. Can someone bump that forward? I still can't believe some are trying to downplay the impact Dubois could have provided for us.
Why are you grouping the ones who voted absolute no to the ones who voted yes but as a UFA? That makes no sense at all.
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The Habs have 4.9m if dead cap this season and will have a ton of space after Price is put on LTIR for next off-season. Could do many interesting things with about 20m+ of cap space next summer even though we will find about 2.3 (Petry retention) + 3.8 (Allen) pre-allocated.
A raise to Allen was in no way justified. Just because you don't have a good goalie in the system doesn't mean you should give a raise and two year extension to the other bad goalie in your system. If Hughes wasn't singing frere jacques he could've acquired a goalie if need be. I'm not sure what justification or rationale there is for a tanking, rebuilding team to commit to a bad goalie who is best known as a 1B and how isn't even good enough to be a 1B. I don't think there is any world where it makes sense.
Habs Halifax
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The Allen extension doesn't bother me one bit. We knew we would have cap space during that term and like I said, the plan could have been Allen and Primeau berceuse Monty was not trending well at that point. We are talking transition years bud. A 5 year deal would have not made sense
It made perfect sense & they provided the rationale.
- quality veteran leader aligned to the the org leadership group direction
- minimal cap allocation to roster goalies
- salary perfectly on par with "1B" UFA value
- reasonable expectations that he'd provide solid play & stability off ice despite anticipated losing
It's a different thing to say you don't agree with the decision (I didn't live it either) than to suggest there was no reasoning behind it.
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Ah yeah, the coveted veteran leader angle. Much like Shea Weber's Aura.
3.8m, a raise from 2.8m is not minimal
A team lacking a 1A goalie has no rationale for investing in a 1B goalie
and he didn't provide solid play at any time.
You don't agree with what The Poll? The numbers don't lie. Lukewarm at best. I'll go on to add a good number of posters knew he was never going to be a Hab so there was nothing to get excited about. The 38% who wanted him regardless made a lot of noise and spilt a lot of ink while doing it. A gazillion posts of arguments back and forth and the majority were all about the cost in assets. C'mon man we were all there. Dubois was never going to make it to free agency and the Pro Camp insisted we had to get him now or never which would have cost the assets no one wanted to pay.
You can disagree all you want, it's just silly to pretend you don't get the rationale & flat out disingenuous to suggest there wasn't one.
3.8M is on par with what a goalie with Allen's resume & age signed for within the last 2-3 seasons. That he had a sub-par first year on the deal is irrelevant to what the rationale & value of the deal was at the time it was signed.
& as much as I hated the Weber/PK trade at the time & in hindsight, to discount the positive impact Weber's leadership had on his peers is... We'll, I don't really have a polite way to describe that so I'll leave it at "I disagree with your assessment".
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According to Doucet, a well placed source texted him telling him that Jake Allen has been told he won't be traded.
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Probably due to the fact that the Habs would have to retain 50% and/or pay a team to take him. He's OK, but not at that term/hit.
He's fine here as the team doesn't have true aspirations of being good and with Tampa and Boston taking steps back, they're not terrible teams. Boston might be a non-playoff team, but it's been shown to not bet against them. Buffalo and Ottawa are going to be there fighting to take a spot. Toronto is still a regular season juggernaut and Detroit's going to be an OK non-playoff team.
No point in trying to compete with that when you're not even at Detroit's level let alone the rest.
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I guess DeSmith has told Hughes that he is not intrested at all to play for the Habs and prefers to play in USA. Hughes must be patient with him and get the most he can in a trade.
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RW- ADAM KLAPKA 6'7'' 235 lbs.... The kid is in the Calgary org. That's the type of player I would like to see on our 4th line.
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I don’t think DeSmith is in a position to make any demands. Not sure I’d make that leap but he definitely seems like the odd man out which is too bad as I’d take him over Allen. Just can’t see any team taking Allen’s mediocre numbers at his current cap and term so Habs are stuck with him.
HuGort
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Most votes must been after trade. They all hated him then. Before it was 1,000 posts a day on PLD. All it was about A heavy 30 goal scoring center, can get him cheap. This board was in love
He's not getting more than a 5th rounder IMO.
Teams know that he will probably hit the waivers and could be claimed for free...
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