HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #85 - Offseason Editon

[Boss Man Hughes]

He's not getting more than a 5th rounder IMO.

Teams know that he will probably hit the waivers and could be claimed for free...

If they want him and they figure he will be claimed on waivers before their turn they may offer a low pick.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You don't agree with what The Poll? The numbers don't lie. Lukewarm at best. I'll go on to add a good number of posters knew he was never going to be a Hab so there was nothing to get excited about. The 38% who wanted him regardless made a lot of noise and spilt a lot of ink while doing it. A gazillion posts of arguments back and forth and the majority were all about the cost in assets. C'mon man we were all there. Dubois was never going to make it to free agency and the Pro Camp insisted we had to get him now or never which would have cost the assets no one wanted to pay.

I don't agree with grouping a absolute no vote with a yes vote (but UFA, no trade). Numbers are numbers but you skewed them in a flawed narrative.

There was a lot of attention on the Dubois talk for sure. I don't see a problem with it. He was interested in Montreal and he would have been a great addition for us up front. We just couldn't do the value trade the Kings offered

Friedman was 96% sure but for as much as I talked about liking the idea of adding Dubois, I was about 60-80%. Turns out my 20-40% he was not coming was true. I just don't think this was click bait... it was close to him coming home.

 

[Treb]

RW- ADAM KLAPKA 6'7'' 235 lbs.... The kid is in the Calgary org. That's the type of player I would like to see on our 4th line.

4th line... in Laval?

 

[Deleted member 257557]

You don't agree with what The Poll? The numbers don't lie. Lukewarm at best. I'll go on to add a good number of posters knew he was never going to be a Hab so there was nothing to get excited about. The 38% who wanted him regardless made a lot of noise and spilt a lot of ink while doing it. A gazillion posts of arguments back and forth and the majority were all about the cost in assets. C'mon man we were all there. Dubois was never going to make it to free agency and the Pro Camp insisted we had to get him now or never which would have cost the assets no one wanted to pay.

I will speak for myself, but hyping potential trades is good fun in itself, and the back and forth debate probably comes off as more categorical and polarized than we all are in real life. Moderate, rational opinion is a bit boring I figure and trending topics fuel themselves. I could not have cared less myself about the player before the rumours lol then I was full on the Dubois train.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I will speak for myself, but hyping potential trades is good fun in itself, and the back and forth debate probably comes off as more categorical and polarized than we all are in real life. Moderate, rational opinion is a bit boring I figure and trending topics fuel themselves. I could not have cared less myself about the player before the rumours lol then I was full on the Dubois train.

Moderate, rational discussion isn't boring for rational people.

I just jam all of the hyperbolic hot take artists into my IL

 

[sampollock]

habs still are not gritty enough... i guess we see

 

[CDN24]

If they want him and they figure he will be claimed on waivers before their turn they may offer a low pick.

Waiver priority is based on last years standings. If he hits waivers a team like the Hawks probably take him. they are slated to start with Mzarek and Sodeblom who has only 18 games NHL experience. If someone else wants him they may give a late pick on assumption that Hawks will claim him.

In theory Hawks could trade for him if they think someone else will trade for him first but hawks probably will just take the best goalie to hit waivers. there will be others too.

 

[1909]

4th line... in Laval?

He has the potential to be more than that.

 

[Treb]

He has the potential to be more than that.

Sure, but he hasn't exactly shown much yet AFAIK at soon to be 23 years old apart from being big.

 

[HuGort]

I would try hard for Pettersson at deadline. A 100 points on non playoff team.. Pretty good chance Canucks will flop this year. Their defense is weak. Pettersson with Caufield be a legend. Slide Dach to wing play him with Suzuki.

 

[Whalers Fan]

I would try hard for Pettersson at deadline. A 100 points on non playoff team.. Pretty good chance Canucks will flop this year. Their defense is weak. Pettersson with Caufield be a legend. Slide Dach to wing play him with Suzuki.

And just how are you planning on obtaining EP without trading any of those Habs players you just mentioned?

 

[BaseballCoach]

And just how are you planning on obtaining EP without trading any of those Habs players you just mentioned?

I'd hate to move him normally, but in return for an extended Petersson, perhaps given VAN's weak defence, prime years Matheson for 3 years at $4.88M makes their D two times better overall, and we can add a pick, a prospect and a roster player.

Matheson, RHP, Struble and a 2nd for an expiring contract? At least VAN gets pieces they can use.

 

[Hins77]

I'd hate to move him normally, but in return for an extended Petersson, perhaps given VAN's weak defence, prime years Matheson for 3 years at $4.88M makes their D two times better overall, and we can add a pick, a prospect and a roster player.

Matheson, RHP, Struble and a 2nd for an expiring contract? At least VAN gets pieces they can use.

Those trade proposition including Matheson need to stop. Lol. Matheson isnt seen as a really good defender around the league. At least, he is like a 3rd dman like many teams already have. I agree, he is a good one here. But the moment we become contender, Matheson is the 4th best dman, not the first like now.

 

[BLONG7]

I'd hate to move him normally, but in return for an extended Petersson, perhaps given VAN's weak defence, prime years Matheson for 3 years at $4.88M makes their D two times better overall, and we can add a pick, a prospect and a roster player.

Matheson, RHP, Struble and a 2nd for an expiring contract? At least VAN gets pieces they can use.

The Nucks would want Suzuki for starters......so we are not getting Petersson.

 

[DAChampion]

The Nucks would want Suzuki for starters......so we are not getting Petersson.

No team will offer the Nucks a Suzuki.

 

[Whalers Fan]

I'd hate to move him normally, but in return for an extended Petersson, perhaps given VAN's weak defence, prime years Matheson for 3 years at $4.88M makes their D two times better overall, and we can add a pick, a prospect and a roster player.

Matheson, RHP, Struble and a 2nd for an expiring contract? At least VAN gets pieces they can use.

You are offering a bunch of spare parts for a young, two-way center who's topped 100 points. Other teams would easily top that offer.

 

[CHfan1]

No team will offer the Nucks a Suzuki.

If Pettersson puts up another 100 point season while being top 10 in Selke voting I could definitely see Vancouver getting a Suzuki plus offer from some team. That’s unless there are certain circumstances around trading him such as he only will go to one team (like DeBrincat to Detroit).

If he does get traded I think it would be around the draft next offseason which means a lot of teams would have cap space to trade for him (especially with the Cap set to increase by quite a bit).

 

[DAChampion]

If Pettersson puts up another 100 point season while being top 10 in Selke voting I could definitely see Vancouver getting a Suzuki plus offer from some team. That’s unless there are certain circumstances around trading him such as he only will go to one team (like DeBrincat to Detroit).

If he does get traded I think it would be around the draft next offseason which means a lot of teams would have cap space to trade for him (especially with the Cap set to increase by quite a bit).

Ok then in that case the Habs could offer their 2024 1st as part of a package. That will get Kent Hughes into the conversation.

 

[Rapala]

I'd hate to move him normally, but in return for an extended Petersson, perhaps given VAN's weak defence, prime years Matheson for 3 years at $4.88M makes their D two times better overall, and we can add a pick, a prospect and a roster player.

Matheson, RHP, Struble and a 2nd for an expiring contract? At least VAN gets pieces they can use.

There is absolutely nothing flawed with my narrative. Your excitement meter was evident from your first post in that thread so it's understandable if you deemed the board to have that same level of interest. The reality is the responses to the posts advocating we get him at all costs clearly showed there was nowhere near that level of excitement in a very large portion of our fan base. Do you deny that his demeanor his historical data and his intentions were all questioned from the get go? Because if so I suggest you go back and re-read the thread. If you start now maybe you can finish before training camp.
It's not just the numbers it's the content that I'm referring too. I don't think I misread anything just because I was in the lukewarm at best crowd.

 

[BaseballCoach]

You are offering a bunch of spare parts for a young, two-way center who's topped 100 points. Other teams would easily top that offer.

Matheson is not a spare part, far from it. He is a highly mobile and productive d-man in his prime and at a multi-year bargain price. That being said, if other teams offer more for Petersson and his expiring contract, then they may just get him.

There is absolutely nothing flawed with my narrative. Your excitement meter was evident from your first post in that thread so it's understandable if you deemed the board to have that same level of interest. The reality is the responses to the posts advocating we get him at all costs clearly showed there was nowhere near that level of excitement in a very large portion of our fan base. Do you deny that his demeanor his historical data and his intentions were all questioned from the get go? Because if so I suggest you go back and re-read the thread. If you start now maybe you can finish before training camp.
It's not just the numbers it's the content that I'm referring too. I don't think I misread anything just because I was in the lukewarm at best crowd.

Were you responding to me? "Narrative" - "Flaws" - did I say anything remotely using those words?

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

I'd hate to move him normally, but in return for an extended Petersson, perhaps given VAN's weak defence, prime years Matheson for 3 years at $4.88M makes their D two times better overall, and we can add a pick, a prospect and a roster player.

Matheson, RHP, Struble and a 2nd for an expiring contract? At least VAN gets pieces they can use.

That would be a spectacular robbery. I cannot imagine however Van not asking for one of our two young centers. Maybe if Monahan can play a whose season without a major injury (assuming his hips and groin are being rehabbed proactively), we might suggest Matheson and Monahan along with prospects. Unlike virtually everyone else, I think that Monahan could surprise us in that way, and he's still only 28.

No team will offer the Nucks a Suzuki.

I can envision a bidding war for a stratospheric talent like Pettersson.

 

[DAChampion]

That would be a spectacular robbery. I cannot imagine however Van not asking for one of our two young centers. Maybe if Monahan can play a whose season without a major injury (assuming his hips and groin are being rehabbed proactively), we might suggest Matheson and Monahan along with prospects. Unlike virtually everyone else, I think that Monahan could surprise us in that way, and he's still only 28.


I can envision a bidding war for a stratospheric talent like Pettersson.

Your two paragraphs contradict each other.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Your two paragraphs contradict each other.

Nonsense. The first paragraph admits that a trade based on Matheson would be a spectacular robbery, and embellishes what we might put together as a first offer starting with that player. A bidding war would force us to revise that bid, to which the second sentence of the first paragraph alludes.

 

[the]

That would be a spectacular robbery. I cannot imagine however Van not asking for one of our two young centers. Maybe if Monahan can play a whose season without a major injury (assuming his hips and groin are being rehabbed proactively), we might suggest Matheson and Monahan along with prospects. Unlike virtually everyone else, I think that Monahan could surprise us in that way, and he's still only 28.


I can envision a bidding war for a stratospheric talent like Pettersson.

Not only do I believe Monahan can stay healthy but I also believe he can reach 70 points.

Last season he was producing all by himself. That's what really stood out to me last season. Our 2nd line was entirely only him. Who knows how much more productive he could have been If he was surrounded by some competent wingers

His production wouldn't be far off from Suzuki and Caufield if he had someone to play with.

 

[DAChampion]

The Habs' trade capital will be unreal at the end of this year if both the Habs and Rocket stay healthy.

Imagine if at least four of Huston, Reinbacher, Engstrom, Mailloux, Trudeau, Struble, Harris, and Barron have good seasons.