HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[John B]

Hughes hasn't been on the job for long, so we don't have enough of a precedent to guess what his next moves will be, but one thing he said last year after the Toffoli trade is that he doesn't want the market to dictate his moves, he wants to dictate the market.

So I can definitely see Hughes be proactive and get it started a little earlier.

I hope he does get started a little earlier. I know cap space is tight for teams in the first half of the season, but if there's an opportunity to make a move he has to be all over it. Especially if it involves one of the Habs more unattractive contracts. I also don't think he should wait to move some of the expiring contracts either. When injuries hit other teams (especially ones that are having a rough start, but were planning on contending) he needs to offer up these expiring deals at 50% retained to see if he get a good haul. He could even take a semi-bad short term contract back for a better return.

 

[Lockin17]

Chicago could just move Seth Jones and retain some salary for a boatload of futures, instead of taking on Gallagher's salary...

Like what ??
Keep in mind we are rebuilding .

 

[26Mats]

Like what ??
Keep in mind we are rebuilding .

What do you mean like what?

I don’t think Hoffman could be traded for future considerations at this point (same goes for Armia, Drouin, Byron, and Gallagher). The Habs would have to add a sweetener to move on, which I can’t see Hughes doing. Too many of these lowlights for him:

Hoffman is Drouin level with turnovers

What a cast of wingers our predecessor GM assembled. And the contracts he gave them...

 

[Lockin17]

I would love to have a other first round pick 2023.
Who would be a target for this ?
AVS
Carolina
Rangers
Pittsburg
Washinton

Maybe some players surronding Dvorak - Edmondson - Evans - Allen - Dadonov tradeline ?
Prospect like : Ylonen -Struble -Mysak -Tuch - Norlinder
Picks : 3 x 4rd pick 2023

 

[Sterling Archer]

Seth Jones for Gallagher. Who says no?

No ides why Chicago, who's in the midst of a complete tear down, including trading younger, more productive assets than Gally, would ever even conceive of trading for him, much less for their best, young D who scored 51 points last year.

Gally is a cap dump at this point unless he has stellar season and can get back to his former form. Not impossible but age, miles on his body and rebuilding team are all working against him. If anyone can power through it, it's him, just not a scenario right now.

 

[Lockin17]

What do you mean like what?

for a boatload of futures, instead of taking on Gallagher's ??? your say

 

[Runner77]

I really don’t see a timeline for when Hughes may or may not pull moves. Some people claimed he was on vacation just before he traded for Monahan.

Hughes is on all the time. No one knows when or who he’ll be after. If something in his wheelhouse lands on his lap, he’ll go for the kill. Insiders can’t figure him out.

He’s efficiently unpredictable. He’s not looking for the spotlight or to make a splash. He’s a lounge lizard operating with the efficacy of a surgeon. Keeping all of us guessing is all part of the process.

 

[26Mats]

for a boatload of futures, instead of taking on Gallagher's ??? your say

I think Seth Jones with say 50% of futures could be traded for a very good package. Chicago would then have to eat about 5M AAV in salary, as opposed to eating 6.5M AAV for useless Gallagjer - and they get the package from the Seth Jones trade. So it would make no sense for Chicago to trade us Seth Jones for Gallagher. But as one poster said, this explanation didn't even need to be given to such a proposal.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I think Seth Jones with say 50% of futures could be traded for a very good package. Chicago would then have to eat about 5M AAV in salary, as opposed to eating 6.5M AAV for useless Gallagjer - and they get the package from the Seth Jones trade. So it would make no sense for Chicago to trade us Seth Jones for Gallagher. But as one poster said, this explanation didn't even need to be given to such a proposal.

Retaining 50% of 9.5m for 7 years would be by far the craziest retention deal in league history, zero chance the Blackhawks would consider eating that.

2m is the most I could see Chicago retaining and that's still way too much money for too long IMO. They would still get a very nice package for Jones at 7.5-8.5.

I think if the Blackhawks didn't have to eat any salary, they would trade him for nothing though.

 

[Runner77]

I think if the Blackhawks didn't have to eat any salary, they would trade him for nothing though.

They did trade DeBrincat and Dach for first rounders in a weak draft. That was probably just an appetizer.

 

[26Mats]

Retaining 50% of 9.5m for 7 years would be by far the craziest retention deal in league history, zero chance the Blackhawks would consider eating that.

2m is the most I could see Chicago retaining and that's still way too much money for too long IMO. They would still get a very nice package for Jones at 7.5-8.5.

I think if the Blackhawks didn't have to eat any salary, they would trade him for nothing though.

I don't think they retain 50% either. The point is, as crazy as that would be, it wouldn't be as crazy as trading seth Jones for Gallagher. That was the point.

 

[Sterling Archer]

They did trade DeBrincat and Dach for first rounders in a weak draft. That was probably just an appetizer.

They would LOVE to trade Kane and Toews but have to work with them to make that happen.

Given what they paid for him and term, I don't think they'd be as motivated to move him unless they got a shit load back. They paid Boqvist, two 1st and a 2nd to get him. They're not trading him for Gally and they're certainly not going to retain on his deal.

Unless they get the same or better back, I don't see them trading him anytime soon. Jones also fits their rebuild

 

[sampollock]

so many with forwards, Kent need to make a deal or waviers?

 

[Runner77]

so many with forwards, Kent need to make a deal or waviers?

Opportunities will come. There are always injuries and unexpected turn of events that prompt trade talk.

 

[StCaufield]

Monahan is not what he once was but Pezzetta?

Lol well he can skate without a walker but yeah just making a point

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

so many with forwards, Kent need to make a deal or waviers?

...on the Mains there's a discussion about an article posing the possibility of Lucic moving on from Calgary...would HuGo do Lucic + a pick for Hoffman, as Calgary needs another scorer in that Top 6 and their top-end defense can at least make up for Hoff's defensive deficiencies...

 

[Canadienna]

...on the Mains there's a discussion about an article posing the possibility of Lucic moving on from Calgary...would HuGo do Lucic + a pick for Hoffman, as Calgary needs another scorer in that Top 6 and their top-end defense can at least make up for Hoff's defensive deficiencies...

I doubt CGY wants to/can move another 1st. Which i would want if we're taking Lucic (barring getting one of their top prospects).

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I doubt CGY wants to/can move another 1st. Which i would want if we're taking Lucic (barring getting one of their top prospects).

...to move Hoffman, I'd take Lucic back...the more I think about it, the more I don't even think HuGo would need a pick sweetener to do it...

 

[MXD]

...to move Hoffman, I'd take Lucic back...the more I think about it, the more I don't even think HuGo would need a pick sweetener to do it...

I'm doing cartwheels at the idea of this trade, which.... probably means it's totally unrealistic.

Like I wouldn't be opposed in giving a lower pick or a B prospect to make this happen because we aren't having the contract space to accomodate everyone. And that's another way of sayinig : I'm eagerly offering a lower pick or a B prospect.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I think if the Blackhawks didn't have to eat any salary, they would trade him for nothing though.

Why would the hawks who basically gave up 3 top 10 picks to acquire Jones and then signed him to his contract, want to give him up for nothing 1 year after?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Why would the hawks who basically gave up 3 top 10 picks to acquire Jones and then signed him to his contract, want to give him up for nothing 1 year after?

Have you paid attention to any of the moves the Blackhawks made this offseason?

If they could walk away from the deal right now they would

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

i love that we have first dips on waivers could end up picking up a young player or goalie

 

[John B]

...to move Hoffman, I'd take Lucic back...the more I think about it, the more I don't even think HuGo would need a pick sweetener to do it...

I agree. If Habs make that deal Lucic could be retained at 50% at the deadline to a contender. I don't think Calgary would do it though. Sutter would probably strangle Hoffman after his first shift.

 

[CHfan1]

...to move Hoffman, I'd take Lucic back...the more I think about it, the more I don't even think HuGo would need a pick sweetener to do it...

I’m not sure why the Flames would do that though, they are only saving $750,000 in cap space this season on that deal to take on $4.5 million next season. I also don’t believe Hoffman would play in the Flames’ top 6. I think Huberdeau, Lindholm, Toffoli, Kadri, Mangiapane, and Coleman are locked in there.

I also can’t see Montreal being on Lucic’s 10 team trade list.

From the Habs perspective my reaction to the Habs getting rid of Hoffman but taking on Lucic would be:

I’m just happy the Oilers offered him more than Bergevin did in 2016.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Have you paid attention to any of the moves the Blackhawks made this offseason?

If they could walk away from the deal right now they would

They got assets back for the players they traded.
Absolutely nothing suggests the hawks would give up a very good but overpaid defenseman for nothing just to get cap space back.