HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[HABitual Fan]

Hugo have been active since they got in the job. Can’t imagine they’re not trying to trade some of the excess forwards to make more space on the roster and cap for the deadline.

That is the time a trade for a Lucic like player would make sense. Expiring contract on a contender that would want to move a useless high cap player like him to make room for a TDL acquisition or two. At the TDL eating an unwanted cap hit is worth much more than now. Sooner we free up cap by dealing our own guys, the better chance we have to make a TDL like this for assets.

 

[DAChampion]

That is the time a trade for a Lucic like player would make sense. Expiring contract on a contender that would want to move a useless high cap player like him to make room for a TDL acquisition or two. At the TDL eating an unwanted cap hit is worth much more than now. Sooner we free up cap by dealing our own guys, the better chance we have to make a TDL like this for assets.

Agreed, Hoffman for Lucic would be great for the Habs.

But I'm not sure if it would be great for Calgary.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Agreed, Hoffman for Lucic would be great for the Habs.

But I'm not sure if it would be great for Calgary.

If the price goes up, keep Hoffman and just take picks and futures for Lucic at the TDL, assuming that the cap hits of Drouin, Dadanov, Allen etc.. are already off the books with and no big contract coming back.

 

[Vachon23]

Agreed, Hoffman for Lucic would be great for the Habs.

But I'm not sure if it would be great for Calgary.

Hoffman and Sutter is all but a fit haha

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If there can't be trades to get cap relief, there will be a couple of names, on waivers..........thinking Armia, Drouin and probably Hoffman.
We have way too many forwards.

They don't need to trade a forward right now.
Byron will start the season on IR.
Slaf or Pezzetta could be sent down. Maybe both.

If we take 2 forwards out, that leaves us with 14 forwards, which is doable.
There's also a possibility that Monahan is still injured when the season starts.

 

[sampollock]

They don't need to trade a forward right now.
Byron will start the season on IR.
Slaf or Pezzetta could be sent down. Maybe both.

If we take 2 forwards out, that leaves us with 14 forwards, which is doable.
There's also a possibility that Monahan is still injured when the season starts.

Yup

I do think Slaf stays up though

 

[HuGort]

...Jones is still a Top Pairing Dman, just overpaid...Gallagher needs a huge bounce-back to become that Top 6 guy again...hence, no way Chicago makes that deal...

The Jones in Chicago I don't want. Going to be cancer contract next 7 years. 10 million too much gamble. Strong chance he stays bad, will kill team in future cup contender years. Gallagher will bounce back. He is only 30. You panic too quick

 

[Adam Michaels]

They don't need to trade a forward right now.
Byron will start the season on IR.
Slaf or Pezzetta could be sent down. Maybe both.

If we take 2 forwards out, that leaves us with 14 forwards, which is doable.
There's also a possibility that Monahan is still injured when the season starts.

Pez needs waivers and I don't see him clearing. I'm keeping him in Montreal as an extra.

 

[chef otto]

They don't need to trade a forward right now.
Byron will start the season on IR.
Slaf or Pezzetta could be sent down. Maybe both.

If we take 2 forwards out, that leaves us with 14 forwards, which is doable.
There's also a possibility that Monahan is still injured when the season starts.

Personally, they need to make moves in order to proceed with youth. Guys like Ylonen RHP Heineman are show time ready. Guys Like Armia, Drouin, Byron and Hoffman are not part of the solution by playing them.

 

[Ghetto Sangria]

Personally, they need to make moves in order to proceed with youth. Guys like Ylonen RHP Heineman are show time ready. Guys Like Armia, Drouin, Byron and Hoffman are not part of the solution by playing them.

They can't just trade them for nothing or send them down. UFAs like Dadonov, Drouin, and even Byron can have some value at TDL at 50%. Teams will have injuries and will have more cap space built up, with the incentive to stack the deck for a playoff run.

Nothing wrong with leaving guys like Ylonen and RHP in the AHL to play big minutes and be ready for a call-up when injuries inevitably happen.

Rebuilding doesn't just mean playing your young talent in the NHL asap all to just destroy their confidence during a losing season... they need to make the NHL when they are ready to make an impact in some way.

Having all these vets on expiring contracts is literally the perfect way to let the prospects develop, ice a shitty team, and get assets at the TDL. We're in a great position right now.

 

[BLONG7]

They don't need to trade a forward right now.
Byron will start the season on IR.
Slaf or Pezzetta could be sent down. Maybe both.

If we take 2 forwards out, that leaves us with 14 forwards, which is doable.
There's also a possibility that Monahan is still injured when the season starts.

Still, too many forwards.............I also think Slaf will stay in Montreal................so if there are no trades, we will see a couple of big names on waivers, I would think....
Pretty sure they feel Monahan is ready also.....
Changes are coming again, and the kids could very well make it hard on the team as to what to do.......
We will be better than last year, but still draft in the top 10.

 

[Habricot]

Personally, they need to make moves in order to proceed with youth. Guys like Ylonen RHP Heineman are show time ready. Guys Like Armia, Drouin, Byron and Hoffman are not part of the solution by playing them.

Actually I think its the opposite, its guys like RHP and Ylonen that need to force them to make moves not the other way around where you need to make moves to give them some room.

 

[Vachon23]

The Jones in Chicago I don't want. Going to be cancer contract next 7 years. 10 million too much gamble. Strong chance he stays bad, will kill team in future cup contender years. Gallagher will bounce back. He is only 30. You panic too quick

and Jones is only turning 28 in 1 month and even on a bad season with a bad team, he still had 50 pts (Only Suzuki had more pts then him last season with the Habs).

 

[Sterling Archer]

Actually I think its the opposite, its guys like RHP and Ylonen that need to force them to make moves not the other way around where you need to make moves to give them some room.

I say let camp decide who plays and who doesn’t.

 

[Runner77]

I say let camp decide who plays and who doesn’t.

We don’t need camp.

Didn’t you know that who plays and who gets traded, is decided on this forum?

 

[Sterling Archer]

We don’t need camp.

Didn’t you know that who plays and who gets traded, is decided on this forum?

How silly of me lol.

 

[XpmX]

Hughes must absolutely become an ally of Jarmo Kekalainen in a possible Patrick Kane trade.

We have seen in the past that Jarmo Kekalainen is not afraid to do whatever it takes to put together the best possible lineup. The Duchesne trade and the retention of Panarin and Brobosky's rights in 2019 are an example of this.

Hughes could do as he did with Calgary, offer to take a salary thorn out of Kekalainen's side in return for the future.

Here's the deal:

Montreal:
Corson Ceulemans (19 years old, 2021 round 1 #25, Right Def, 6'2'')
Gustav Nuquist (32 years old, last year of contract, 5.5M salary)

Columbus:
Future Considerations

And yes, another ally in the CH organization chart!
Poor Biron, he won't be able to play until March 2023, after the trade deadline

 

[Captain Mountain]

Hughes must absolutely become an ally of Jarmo Kekalainen in a possible Patrick Kane trade.

We have seen in the past that Jarmo Kekalainen is not afraid to do whatever it takes to put together the best possible lineup. The Duchesne trade and the retention of Panarin and Brobosky's rights in 2019 are an example of this.

Hughes could do as he did with Calgary, offer to take a salary thorn out of Kekalainen's side in return for the future.

Here's the deal:

Montreal:
Corson Ceulemans (19 years old, 2021 round 1 #25, Right Def, 6'2'')
Gustav Nuquist (32 years old, last year of contract, 5.5M salary)

Columbus:
Future Considerations

And yes, another ally in the CH organization chart!
Poor Biron, he won't be able to play until March 2023, after the trade deadline

There are much cheaper paths to Columbus getting Kane and Nyquist is not a thorn type contract, he can still play at a high level.

Columbus also wouldn't make a trade like that until the deadline, at which point the math changes.

 

[XpmX]

There are much cheaper paths to Columbus getting Kane and Nyquist is not a thorn type contract, he can still play at a high level.

Columbus also wouldn't make a trade like that until the deadline, at which point the math changes.

With all due respect @ Capitain Moutain, with a PROJECTED CAP SPACE of $416,667, Columbus no longer has the salary cap room to acquire Patrick Kane and his 10.5M salary without making several salary moves.

I understand your reasoning that it would be easier for them to wait until the trade deadline before thinking about integrating Kane.

However, the downside of this strategy will be that many other teams will also have this strategic advantage which will increase the acquisition cost significantly.

Buying now at a high price by being the only buyer and requiring salary dumping
or
Possibly buy (like 07% chance) at the 2023 trade deadline

It depends more on a management style than an absolute answer.
And in analyzing Columbus' management style over the years, you see a management that attacks years head on.

Columbus 2022-2023 would rely on offensive stars =

J. Gaudreau
P. Laine
P. Kane
Voracek
Werenski

And to show you the management style of Columbus, they did not hesitate to literally GIVE Bjorkstrand, author of 57pts including 28 goals, to sign Johnny Hockey. I don't think Gustav is a big loss for them if they can get their hands on P. Kane )

 

[Weltschmerz]

With all due respect @ Capitain Moutain, with a PROJECTED CAP SPACE of $416,667, Columbus no longer has the salary cap room to acquire Patrick Kane and his 10.5M salary without making several salary moves.

I understand your reasoning that it would be easier for them to wait until the trade deadline before thinking about integrating Kane.

However, the downside of this strategy will be that many other teams will also have this strategic advantage which will increase the acquisition cost significantly.

Buying now at a high price by being the only buyer and requiring salary dumping
or
Possibly buy (like 07% chance) at the 2023 trade deadline

It depends more on a management style than an absolute answer.
And in analyzing Columbus' management style over the years, you see a management that attacks years head on.

Columbus 2022-2023 would rely on offensive stars =

J. Gaudreau
P. Laine
P. Kane
Voracek
Werenski

And to show you the management style of Columbus, they did not hesitate to literally GIVE Bjorkstrand, author of 57pts including 28 goals, to sign Johnny Hockey. I don't think Gustav is a big loss for them if they can get their hands on P. Kane )

They don't really need the habs if they want to deal for Kane, could just send Nyquist plus futures to chicago.

 

[Captain Mountain]

With all due respect @ Capitain Moutain, with a PROJECTED CAP SPACE of $416,667, Columbus no longer has the salary cap room to acquire Patrick Kane and his 10.5M salary without making several salary moves.

I understand your reasoning that it would be easier for them to wait until the trade deadline before thinking about integrating Kane.

However, the downside of this strategy will be that many other teams will also have this strategic advantage which will increase the acquisition cost significantly.

Buying now at a high price by being the only buyer and requiring salary dumping
or
Possibly buy (like 07% chance) at the 2023 trade deadline

It depends more on a management style than an absolute answer.
And in analyzing Columbus' management style over the years, you see a management that attacks years head on.

Columbus 2022-2023 would rely on offensive stars =

J. Gaudreau
P. Laine
P. Kane
Voracek
Werenski

And to show you the management style of Columbus, they did not hesitate to literally GIVE Bjorkstrand, author of 57pts including 28 goals, to sign Johnny Hockey. I don't think Gustav is a big loss for them if they can get their hands on P. Kane )

Due respect, Montreal doesn't have the cap flexibility Chicago does in the first place. There are other teams that can make this work better.

Columbus also trade Bjorkstrand in part because they didn't want to have to pay to move Nyguist. Because he's still good and an expiring contract.

Its just not a trade idea that's remotely realistic.

 

[ngc_5128]

With all due respect @ Capitain Moutain, with a PROJECTED CAP SPACE of $416,667, Columbus no longer has the salary cap room to acquire Patrick Kane and his 10.5M salary without making several salary moves.

I understand your reasoning that it would be easier for them to wait until the trade deadline before thinking about integrating Kane.

However, the downside of this strategy will be that many other teams will also have this strategic advantage which will increase the acquisition cost significantly.

Buying now at a high price by being the only buyer and requiring salary dumping
or
Possibly buy (like 07% chance) at the 2023 trade deadline

It depends more on a management style than an absolute answer.
And in analyzing Columbus' management style over the years, you see a management that attacks years head on.

Columbus 2022-2023 would rely on offensive stars =

J. Gaudreau
P. Laine
P. Kane
Voracek
Werenski

And to show you the management style of Columbus, they did not hesitate to literally GIVE Bjorkstrand, author of 57pts including 28 goals, to sign Johnny Hockey. I don't think Gustav is a big loss for them if they can get their hands on P. Kane )

All they need to do is demote 1.8 mil of salary to start the season, and that will give them enough accumulated cap room at the deadline to take Kane with either no retention, or very little. It shouldn't be an issue if Tarasov is healthy, as I doubt they carry 3 goalies all year, and either send down one of their waiver eligible guys, like Blakenburg, or a tweener like Gaunce.

 

[tazsub3]

Due respect, Montreal doesn't have the cap flexibility Chicago does in the first place. There are other teams that can make this work better.

Columbus also trade Bjorkstrand in part because they didn't want to have to pay to move Nyguist. Because he's still good and an expiring contract.

Its just not a trade idea that's remotely realistic.

Chicago dont want to add salary, heck they traded a young star for money reasons , so dont see them wanting the cap dumps

 

[Captain Mountain]

Chicago dont want to add salary, heck they traded a young star for money reasons , so dont see them wanting the cap dumps

They didn't trade him for money reasons, they traded him because they're tanking, don't expect to be good within the next 5 years and got a top 10 pick + back.

 

[Bell Centre Hotdog]

They can't just trade them for nothing or send them down. UFAs like Dadonov, Drouin, and even Byron can have some value at TDL at 50%. Teams will have injuries and will have more cap space built up, with the incentive to stack the deck for a playoff run.

Nothing wrong with leaving guys like Ylonen and RHP in the AHL to play big minutes and be ready for a call-up when injuries inevitably happen.

Rebuilding doesn't just mean playing your young talent in the NHL asap all to just destroy their confidence during a losing season... they need to make the NHL when they are ready to make an impact in some way.

Having all these vets on expiring contracts is literally the perfect way to let the prospects develop, ice a shitty team, and get assets at the TDL. We're in a great position right now.

I agree with this. I expect all vets stay with the club. Ylonen/Heineman/ RHP will get looks during the year if injuries. These young guys will get plenty of minutes in the AHL and hopefully be winning down there.

Then come deadline, the likes of Drouin, Byron, Dadonov, Allen, possibly even Monahan(depending on the type of bounce back year and if it's worth while extending) all go out the door for potential futures and sell them potentially at their highest values when teams get desperate for the playoffs at the TDL.

Them the kids coming up from a winning team in the Laval, will get their chance to be plugged in, with decent minutes compared to what they have the AHL with minor reduction in ice time to keep them motivated with the remaining young guys on the team.

Come the offseason guys are one year left deals could then look to be dealt like Edmundson and Hoffman.