HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Kudo Shinichi]

Well that explains why he was traded for nothing

 

[neil2005]

Well that explains why he was traded for nothing

He reportedly tore it in the last week while training

 

[sampollock]

He reportedly tore it in the last week while training

Bad timing

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

He reportedly tore it in the last week while training

...he could tear a quad yawning...guy's made of Papier Mache...

 

[Skip Bayless]

Well that explains why he was traded for nothing

 

[26Mats]

...he could tear a quad yawning...guy's made of Papier Mache...

But he has come back unusually fast from his injuries in the past.

 

[Runner77]

He reportedly tore it in the last week while training

Anything to escape from taking part in the Storm Surge.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Anything to escape from taking part in the Storm Surge.

 

[Scriptor]

The NHL system allows top players to get big contracts at 21, which is all guaranteed money. Also the duration a ELC can last decreases as the player gets older. A league like the NFL they can’t even enter until they have completed their junior year of college.

These players all just signed big contracts at 21:

Kotkaniemi - 8 years $38.6 million
Tkachuk - 7 years $57.5 million
Hughes - 8 years $64 million
Hughes - 6 years $47.1 million
Svechnikov - 8 years $62 million
Heiskanen - 8 years $67.6 million.
Hischier- 7 years $50.8 million

Other things:

- The players signed this CBA

- They agreed to the 50-50 revenue split with the owners. If the salary cap goes up it just means the players are paying more back in escrow because of this

- Overall revenue in the NHL is a lot less than other big North American leagues

Yeah, but ExPat's answer to that was the NHLPA sucks and didn't help out its members? Just trying to be right has easy answers at the tip of the keyboard, even if they aren't all that sound.

Perhaps the lockout just strong-armed the talented athletes into abdicating and signing the CBA?

The players have never had it so good, with salaries at their higher ever and the league minimum wage forever increasing, but the capitalist system isn't allowed to work?

These greedy Billionaires aren't taking any risks with capital investments? They should just be exposed as much as possible regardless of the risk that the business will fail?

Like any business, cost certainty is an asset, for the owners and for the employees.

I work in Quebec in the film industry where there was two unions, one with a set hourly wage for workers in each department, beyond the department head which would negotiate his or her salary.

The other union had minimums guaranteed (which were farcical), but all salaries were individually negotiable.

Historically, negotiated salaries from the union with the guaranteed minimums were lower than the set hourly wages, a savings for the production companies over the union with the set hourly wages.

Still, the production companies preferred to do business with the union that had the set hourly wages.

Cost certainty is king because it helps set up budgets and operation funding, even of it is more expensive, in the end. You know ahead of time what it will cost and have no surprises.

 

[danyhabsfan]

Well that explains why he was traded for nothing

quite the opposite actually.

Vegas would have put him on LTIR and keep him.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Do we know if any of Byron, Drouin, or Price have been confirmed healthy for the start of camp? If any 3 of them start the season on IR it would open up cap space to sign Dach and another veteran defensemen. If not, is there a trade that could even be made to create room without attaching a fairly large sweetener or not getting rid of a good player like Vegas did with Pacioretty?

Subban, Stralman, Russell, etc could help this year imo ... One injury on defense and it's going to be rough ... Not that it isn't already.

The only thing we know at this moment is that Byron's recovery isn't going as planned. He hasn't started training yet and he said that he won't be ready for camp. Byron himself said that in an interview. And Hughes also mentioned that he doesn't think Byron will be ready at camp.

So he will likely start the year on LTIR.

Price is still an unknown. They said he will start skating and practicing in August and they might get a better idea of how his knee will react.

Drouin seems like he's healthy and ready to go.

 

[HabzSauce]

What worker’s rights soap box? I’m referring to a free market system! Players should get what they’re worth, even if they’re 21. There is no difference between a 21 year old 90pt scorer and a 29 year old 90pt scorer other than the 21 year old is artificially paid less.

All the “solutions” you propose involve or require a talented player not playing in the NHL. What if he doesn’t want to play in a 5000 seat college arena? He just doesn’t play in the NHL until his rights expire? That’s ridiculous.

The NHL is the only show in the world. No other league compares. It should be liberated not restricted.

So what's the point of the draft then?

Imagine Arizona drafting Bedard in this timeline, and then watching him leave in 3 years to go play with a contender.

What a waste of a 1st overall pick season that would be for AZ

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Drouin seems like he's healthy and ready to go.

...out the door, with any luck...

 

[ReHabs]

So what's the point of the draft then?

Imagine Arizona drafting Bedard in this timeline, and then watching him leave in 3 years to go play with a contender.

What a waste of a 1st overall pick season that would be for AZ

Arizona will have three years to improve their prognosis, play good hockey, and convince Bedard to stay. Why should he be stuck there for 7+?

 

[ReHabs]

I don't know, when these players reach free agency, they make it rain. How do you explain KK's 8 year deal then?

He didn’t sign it as a genuine UFA, it was an extenuating circumstance given the complicated nature of a RFA Offersheet.

What’s important to keep in mind is Carolina can buy-out his contract and since he’s under a certain age, they will pay only 1/3 of the salary owed over double the time. I think his buyout would be less than 1m a year.

If you want to bring up exceptional cases we can bring up PL Dubois who does not want to stay in Winnipeg but is forced to for at least one more year. His only other options were to force a trade (he tried, didn’t materialize as he has no action he could take) or to not sign his QO and not play hockey and not get paid at all.

 

[Kojo]

Did PLD actually ever say that he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg or is this more speculative BS?

 

[Habs10Habs]

Patches LITR'd all season. Back for the playoffs.

The Jerk's sign Kadri. I'll give it an H10H 5

 

[ReHabs]

Did PLD actually ever say that he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg or is this more speculative BS?

He told WPG management he wants to hit UFA. Not that he doesn't want to play in WPG but he won't sign past his RFA years.

Seems like a really nice system that a player gets smeared for wanting to play where he wants.

 

[General Fanager]

He told WPG management he wants to hit UFA. Not that he doesn't want to play in WPG but he won't sign past his RFA years.

Seems like a really nice system that a player gets smeared for wanting to play where he wants.

Playing where he wants isn't a problem. Announcing it 2 years away from UFA status is a dirt bag move. His value took a hit and will only get worse as he gets closer to UFA.

Fans in Winnipeg will be on him for 2 years now and you can forget any kind of marketing for this guy. Any kind of sponsorships are done and you can say the same for jersey sales etc. He screwed The Jets....bad

 

[ReHabs]

Playing where he wants isn't a problem. Announcing it 2 years away from UFA status is a dirt bag move. His value took a hit and will only get worse as he gets closer to UFA.

Fans in Winnipeg will be on him for 2 years now and you can forget any kind of marketing for this guy. Any kind of sponsorships are done and you can say the same for jersey sales etc. He screwed The Jets....bad

WPG wants a long-term contract, he does not want a long-term contract.

WPG wants to trade him to someplace that'll want him on a long-term contract, he does not one a long-term contract.

He has no other options than to announce his desire against a long-term term contract. That's the whole problem! He's a dirtbag for not wanting to sign his rights away against his will?

 

[Sterling Archer]

Playing where he wants isn't a problem. Announcing it 2 years away from UFA status is a dirt bag move. His value took a hit and will only get worse as he gets closer to UFA.

Fans in Winnipeg will be on him for 2 years now and you can forget any kind of marketing for this guy. Any kind of sponsorships are done and you can say the same for jersey sales etc. He screwed The Jets....bad

Don’t see how giving the team a two year heads up is a dirtbag move. Stringing them on and than walking away at the eleventh hour leaving them with nothing a la Tavares, Gaudreau etc. is a dirt bag move.

Can’t ask for more than what PLD did in terms of honesty and giving them ample time to make a move and collect assets for him.

 

[General Fanager]

WPG wants a long-term contract, he does not want a long-term contract.

WPG wants to trade him to someplace that'll want him on a long-term contract, he does not one a long-term contract.

He has no other options than to announce his desire against a long-term term contract. That's the whole problem! He's a dirtbag for not wanting to sign his rights away against his will?

Don’t see how giving the team a two year heads up is a dirtbag move. Stringing them on and than walking away st the eleventh hour leaving them with nothing a la Tavares, Gaudreau etc. is a dirt bag move.

Can’t ask for more than what PLD did in terms of honesty and giving them ample time to make a move and collect assets for him.

If you took the time to read my post I said wanting out isn't a problem, telling The jets isn't a problem. Going public IS a problem. He tanked his value and that's probably why he wasn't traded already.

His agent came out and said he wants to be a Hab. You think any other team will give major assets to get him knowing he will/might bail in 2 years? Or you think The Habs will pay major assets when they know that they can get him for free in 2 years?

He tried to force his way out of Winnipeg and it didn't work and now he had to settle for less money and its a PR nightmare. I hope he is ready cause Jets fans will boo him for 2 years.....

 

[Habs Icing]

But he has come back unusually from his injuries in the past.

Unusually how? Dressed like a boy scout? Wearing football gear? Pretending to be a Chippendale dancer?

 

[ReHabs]

If you took the time to read my post I said wanting out isn't a problem, telling The jets isn't a problem. Going public IS a problem. He tanked his value and that's probably why he wasn't traded already.

His agent came out and said he wants to be a Hab. You think any other team will give major assets to get him knowing he will/might bail in 2 years? Or you think The Habs will pay major assets when they know that they can get him for free in 2 years?

He tried to force his way out of Winnipeg and it didn't work and now he had to settle for less money and its a PR nightmare. I hope he is ready cause Jets fans will boo him for 2 years.....

He said he wants to hit UFA and can imagine himself playing in a variety of places including Montreal. If that tanks his trade value in your option, I have to ask if you think players are slaves who need to be wherever they're told to be?

You use terms like "bail" when in fact it is the opposite: he will play his contract to expiration (ie NOT bail) and then try his hand as an unrestricted free agent. It cannot possibly be simpler than that.

That people will be mad at him and harass him and character assassinate him is the problem. Players have zero recourse until they're UFA and even when they're UFA they get hounded and harassed and character assassinated for hitting UFA incorrectly.

 

[Sterling Archer]

If you took the time to read my post I said wanting out isn't a problem, telling The jets isn't a problem. Going public IS a problem. He tanked his value and that's probably why he wasn't traded already.

His agent came out and said he wants to be a Hab. You think any other team will give major assets to get him knowing he will/might bail in 2 years? Or you think The Habs will pay major assets when they know that they can get him for free in 2 years?

He tried to force his way out of Winnipeg and it didn't work and now he had to settle for less money and its a PR nightmare. I hope he is ready cause Jets fans will boo him for 2 years.....

He didn't just walk into a press huddle and volunteer the answer either. Jets wanted him to sign long term and when asked what was going on he said he didn't want to sign beyond his RFA years. Hardly a nefarious act. Once the cat was out of the bag, his agent said he'd like to play for Montreal. Again, I'm not seeing "dirtbag" move here. Players do way more, and much worse all the time and no one says boo about it. Wanting to play for your childhood team made Tavares a hero in Toronto and media lauded him for how amazing he was, meanwhile, he told Lamoriello not to trade him at the deadline because he wanted to sign long term with the Isles only to turn around and walk leaving Isles with their dick in their hands. That was a dirt bag move. Even Petry asking for a trade to a US team which hits closer to home. I didn't hear any one call him a dirtbag. Sure you're not happy with it but most just wanted to move him for the best package. PLD, I think you're exaggerating it immensely.