HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[BargainBinSpecial]

this is what all the armchair GMs think will happen, we just get PLD for nothing in 2 years! crazy talk.. Huberdeau just maxed out with Calgary, I guarantee he had no intentions of being traded there, or even wanting to play there, but when the team goes max - players sign.

PLD is on the precipice of being a highly valuable commodity - now is the absolute time to get him (even if contract needs to be negotiated in Jan). Not only will he have a break out year as he legit is a star player --- if we wait, he is not going to sign for under $7M x $7 - which is what we can get for him now.

think about it - the cap is going to go up soon... salaries are "About" to bump up... getting a PLD for 7-7.5 x 7 will be a steal.

Let's say hypothetically that he has that breakout year to secure financial independence and doesn't live up to that potential (think Drouin here), we will all thank HuGo for not pulling the trigger in a few years. Even if the Habs somehow magically acquire him, it doesn't mean he will sign for 7 years @ 7.5 mil. caphit before season start. He might take the Habs to the cleaners, forcing them to trade him again. Also, what assets do the Habs have right now to obtain him? Caufield, Suzuki, Norlinder, Slaf, Guhle, Barron? This is your future core right here. Sometimes, the best moves are the ones you don't make.

I think the Habs have lots to ponder about right now, including finding ways to rid themselves of huge contracts. Gotta put your priorities first. I personally see nothing special about Dubois.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Source? Because the reporting afterwards was that he wasn't happy with Florida after being traded but was happy to feel wanted by Calgary.

No source but countless reports on the Internet. Every one of these so called subject matter experts twist their story for some clickbait. After all, it's their job. I tend to read between the lines and make my own opinion after following up on 3 or 4 stories.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Don't twist what reporters said they said he wasn't happy with how the trade happened he never said anything negative about Calgary.

Players dissing their new teams is really unprofessional. I mean, your new employer paid a hefty price to get you. The only advantage these players have is that their contract is somehow guaranteed or at least 2/3rds of it, 1/3 for the rookies, but then again. Paccioretty is definately the worst example, criticizing his former teams often, and I am so happy BargainBin didn't fudge this one up.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Playing where he wants isn't a problem. Announcing it 2 years away from UFA status is a dirt bag move. His value took a hit and will only get worse as he gets closer to UFA.

Fans in Winnipeg will be on him for 2 years now and you can forget any kind of marketing for this guy. Any kind of sponsorships are done and you can say the same for jersey sales etc. He screwed The Jets....bad

Fans in Winnipeg need to ask themselves why so many players don't want to stay in Winnipeg.

- Evander Kane asked for a trade every off-season for like 3 years.

- Byfuglien opted to simply leave.

- Trouba wanted out. He even held out before being signed in November after the season started. In fact, he held out 2 years before he would be a UFA (the exact same place PLD is in now, except PLD didn't hold out).

- Murat Ates (Winnipeg's beat writer) has said that both Laine and Roslovic asked for trades.

Now they have PLD simply letting them know he has no interest in signing long term with them.

At some point, it's not the players. There is something wrong with that organization that makes a lot of their impact players want to leave.

 

[neil2005]

Here's the latest garbage rumour from a non-credible source.

 

[Andrei79]

Here's the latest garbage rumour from a non-credible source.

Ah yes, according to infos I just received, from...uh...*looks at notes*... Gone Orea ? Yeah, he sounds solid.

 

[HomaridII]

That guy is just using this to start up random crap.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

That guy is just using this to start up random crap.

99.9% of those idiots just use rumours already out there to spout their shit and dummies here posted it like "I dOnT kNoW iF tHiS gUy I'vE nEvEr HeArD oF hAs AnY cReD bUt... "

Then people run with it for 15 pages like bunch of goofs.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Here's the latest garbage rumour from a non-credible source.

Who’s playing center for Isles?

 

[Noble]

Oh get f***ed "Scouting Review"

"Selon des info" is synonymous with "pulled out of my ass". Swear to god every rumor that has ever started with that sentence has been 100% utter bullshit.

 

[SlafySZN]

Maxim Guerin is so funny

 

[Hins77]

Fans in Winnipeg need to ask themselves why so many players don't want to stay in Winnipeg.

- Evander Kane asked for a trade every off-season for like 3 years.

- Byfuglien opted to simply leave.

- Trouba wanted out. He even held out before being signed in November after the season started. In fact, he held out 2 years before he would be a UFA (the exact same place PLD is in now, except PLD didn't hold out).

- Murat Ates (Winnipeg's beat writer) has said that both Laine and Roslovic asked for trades.

Now they have PLD simply letting them know he has no interest in signing long term with them.

At some point, it's not the players. There is something wrong with that organization that makes a lot of their impact players want to leave.

If I would be them, I would only draft western hockey player. Or just try to sign them long term early on their career, I don’t know. I don’t think the management is a problem. I just think, when an hockey player is living in Winnipeg and travel throught the America in California/Florida/New York, where taxes, wheater and everything is more fun, I could understand why they want to leave.

 

[HankyZetts]

99.9% of those idiots just use rumours already out there to spout their shit and dummies here posted it like "I dOnT kNoW iF tHiS gUy I'vE nEvEr HeArD oF hAs AnY cReD bUt... "

Then people run with it for 15 pages like bunch of goofs.

I know you're not talking about Kevin Weekes like that!!

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Fans in Winnipeg need to ask themselves why so many players don't want to stay in Winnipeg.

- Evander Kane asked for a trade every off-season for like 3 years.

- Byfuglien opted to simply leave.

- Trouba wanted out. He even held out before being signed in November after the season started. In fact, he held out 2 years before he would be a UFA (the exact same place PLD is in now, except PLD didn't hold out).

- Murat Ates (Winnipeg's beat writer) has said that both Laine and Roslovic asked for trades.

Now they have PLD simply letting them know he has no interest in signing long term with them.

At some point, it's not the players. There is something wrong with that organization that makes a lot of their impact players want to leave.

I don't know if it's similar to Columbus but the Jackets' beat writer wrote a long article/profile about their organizational culture and why so many players had left. Essentially, yeah, the city wasn't the most attractive one but it was also a bit of an overblown reason. What wasn't stated at all was how coldly-ran the organization was ran and how it seeped into exit interviews and contract negotiations. That really left a bitter taste in the players mouth and led to desires for exits (on top of the city not being that desirable). In short, for a long time, instead of understanding that okay, your city isn't first-rate so try and compensate in other places (like making the culture more homely) they kind of acted like assholes, which compounded the city issue instead of it being the glaring issue.

 

[Adam Michaels]

If I would be them, I would only draft western hockey player. Or just try to sign them long term early on their career, I don’t know. I don’t think the management is a problem. I just think, when an hockey player is living in Winnipeg and travel throught the America in California/Florida/New York, where taxes, wheater and everything is more fun, I could understand why they want to leave.

That organization has something toxic in there. Even Paul Maurice decided to step away.

When it's player after player after player, it's more than just not wanting to stay in the city of Winnipeg. It's the organization. Not the city.

Not to say that players would rather live somewhere else other than Winnipeg. But when it's a number of players, it's a lot deeper than that.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Maxim Guerin is so funny

Guerin is throwing shit against the wall again because it looks like Kadri is signing with the NYI's and they already have pageau, nelson and Barzal at C

 

[habsfan92]

Fans in Winnipeg need to ask themselves why so many players don't want to stay in Winnipeg.

- Evander Kane asked for a trade every off-season for like 3 years.

- Byfuglien opted to simply leave.

- Trouba wanted out. He even held out before being signed in November after the season started. In fact, he held out 2 years before he would be a UFA (the exact same place PLD is in now, except PLD didn't hold out).

- Murat Ates (Winnipeg's beat writer) has said that both Laine and Roslovic asked for trades.

Now they have PLD simply letting them know he has no interest in signing long term with them.

At some point, it's not the players. There is something wrong with that organization that makes a lot of their impact players want to leave.

Byfuglien simply didn't want to play hockey anymore. Yet had previously signed a long term deal, as did Wheeler, as did Scheifle, as did Morrisey, Ehlers, Connor, and Hellebuyck. That is/was a lot of core guys that wanted to remain.
Buff deciding to retire basically screwed Wpg. They had to dump Myers & Chiarot, and also lost Trouba expecting Buff would be playing. Years to adjust. Players want to play for a good team.
Kane is a loser, wore out his welcome in Wpg, then Buf, then SJ-seems more him than the team.
Trouba, Laine & Roslovic, like a lot of players, want to play in the US where they think there is more money to be made in those bigger markets.
A lot of players like that, don't want to play in Canada/small markets, Edmonton/Mtl/Ottawa/Wpg/Buff/Columbus.
Wpg problems are over played. PLD is not the norm. But having said that, rumour has it that the dressing room in Wpg has issues. They brought in some vets to bring it together the last couple of years but not working. Wheeler has got to go.
Mtl is no stranger to that. Koivu/Ribeiro, Subban/Patches, Carbo/Chelios.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Byfuglien simply didn't want to play hockey anymore. Yet had previously signed a long term deal, as did Wheeler, as did Scheifle, as did Morrisey, Ehlers, Connor, and Hellebuyck. That is/was a lot of core guys that wanted to remain.
Buff deciding to retire basically screwed Wpg. They had to dump Myers & Chiarot, and also lost Trouba expecting Buff would be playing. Years to adjust. Players want to play for a good team.
Kane is a loser, wore out his welcome in Wpg, then Buf, then SJ-seems more him than the team.
Trouba, Laine & Roslovic, like a lot of players, want to play in the US where they think there is more money to be made in those bigger markets.
A lot of players like that, don't want to play in Canada/small markets, Edmonton/Mtl/Ottawa/Wpg/Buff/Columbus.
Wpg problems are over played. PLD is not the norm. But having said that, rumour has it that the dressing room in Wpg has issues. They brought in some vets to bring it together the last couple of years but not working. Wheeler has got to go.
Mtl is no stranger to that. Koivu/Ribeiro, Subban/Patches, Carbo/Chelios.

There is a difference between opting to play elsewhere when you have the choice than it is to want out.

Habs, Sens, Leafs, Oilers, Flames, and Canucks don't have player after player after player prefer to leave year after year after year.

Only Jets have that trend.

 

[waitin425]

Fans in Winnipeg need to ask themselves why so many players don't want to stay in Winnipeg.

- Evander Kane asked for a trade every off-season for like 3 years.

- Byfuglien opted to simply leave.

- Trouba wanted out. He even held out before being signed in November after the season started. In fact, he held out 2 years before he would be a UFA (the exact same place PLD is in now, except PLD didn't hold out).

- Murat Ates (Winnipeg's beat writer) has said that both Laine and Roslovic asked for trades.

Now they have PLD simply letting them know he has no interest in signing long term with them.

At some point, it's not the players. There is something wrong with that organization that makes a lot of their impact players want to leave.

Have you been to Winnipeg? I don't think it's the organization as much as the city. I personally enjoyed it both times I was there....but I can see how a millionaire athlete might want out.

 

[Scriptor]

What?!

Ending RFA nonsense would end teams as we know it? Can you elaborate?

No. Your proposal is nonsense. No more team identity, salaries rising faster, massive projection speculation. Waste of energy as a discussion. Sorry. We can discuss other things, but this is farcical, IMHO.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Have you been to Winnipeg? I don't think it's the organization as much as the city. I personally enjoyed it both times I was there....but I can see how a millionaire athlete might want out.

Nope. That's a weak excuse. Blaming the city instead of seeing what's there for everyone to see: the Winnipeg Jets has a toxic environment.

 

[Hins77]

Nope. That's a weak excuse. Blaming the city instead of seeing what's there for everyone to see: the Winnipeg Jets has a toxic environment.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

Have you been to Winnipeg? I don't think it's the organization as much as the city. I personally enjoyed it both times I was there....but I can see how a millionaire athlete might want out.

It's a pretty boring town, but so is Buffalo and Edmonton. Ottawa ain't better.

 

[Scriptor]

It's a pretty boring town, but so is Buffalo and Edmonton. Ottawa ain't better.

The only difference between WIN and OTT, for example, is that it's friggin' cold in the winter in the Peg! But professional athletes can afford to buy a portion of the sun for themselves, so, that's not the only reason, for sure....

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

There is a difference between opting to play elsewhere when you have the choice than it is to want out.

Habs, Sens, Leafs, Oilers, Flames, and Canucks don't have player after player after player prefer to leave year after year after year.

Only Jets have that trend.

Habs: Petry, Toffoli, Drouin. Weber wanted to retire. Price's recent behaviour points to him wanting out (he even waived his no trade clause for the expansion draft).

Sens: they traded most of their assets to commence a proper rebuild.

Oilers: please. What do they really have other than McDavid, Draisaitl? They had to go all in with Nurse and Nugent-Hopkins.

Leafs: this is Toronto, a city of 8 million, one of the fastest growing in the world with a beach, great infrastructure too and huge investments in public transit.

Calgary: another booming town, likely to surpass Montreal in population pretty soon.

Canucks: warm winters, beaches, mountains, scenery, one of the most expensive cities to live. Enticing for many players.