HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Habs Halifax]

Sounds to me like Bergevin left it to the last minute and got an underwhelming return.

He didn't leave it to the last min. He started well before that but deals with the Oilers and Canucks fell through on draft day. I'm pretty sure he was trying to get Dubois+ and the Blue Jackets ruin that plan. What did you want him to do... get Puljujarvi+?

If anything, maybe he was asking for too much and that's what created a delay where the looming NMC was about to kick in. Weber was not a underwhelming return. It's possible our herd was overrating Subban

 

[Runner77]

They need to make a trade to move out salary. They can’t sign Dach.

For that reason alone, something’s gotta give.

 

[David Suzuki]

He didn't leave it to the last min. He started well before that but deals with the Oilers and Canucks fell through on draft day. I'm pretty sure he was trying to get Dubois+ and the Blue Jackets ruin that plan. What did you want him to do... get Puljujarvi+?

Didn't one of them only fall through because he only wanted one specific player?

Imagine if he had taken Tkachuk instead of trading for Weber.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Didn't one of them only fall through because he only wanted one specific player?

Imagine if he had taken Tkachuk instead of trading for Weber.

Oilers and Canucks clearly could have used Subban at that time. Blue Jackets were is sort of a rebuild mode so they wanted their pick.

Dubois was ranked 4th - 6th range ish. It was Matthews, Laine, Puljujarvi, and possibly the other Finish player on D. Forget his name but the Canucks drafted him.

Bergevin wanted Dubois+ and he would have drafted him at 4th or 5th (Oilers or Canucks pick) but the Blue Jackets took him 3rd. It was considered a bit of a shock like the Habs reaching for KK at 3 when he was ranked 5th+

 

[McGuires Corndog]

I think you’re right about the Hawks since they’ve literally went scorched earth, so it’s tougher to do a short rebuild. In general, it just seems to me that owners tend to favor short turnarounds for obvious reasons, especially in longstanding markets.

For Montreal, ownership never embraced a long rebuild and Geoff always claimed that the fan base would never welcome it, so they were never going to embark on one regardless. There is also the fact that Gorton presided over a short term turnaround in NY and his experience in that regard was likely a hiring consideration.

The young prospect base you mention was not replete with high end assets prior to this draft. Some great complementary pieces, middle sixers, 2nd pairing types, uncertainty re goalie prospects.

Still not sure how I feel about a short term rebuild in Montreal.

I’m not convinced we have the horses to be jumping into a short term rebuild. Outside of Suzuki/Caufield/Slafkovsky we don’t have any really high end blue chip young guys. So you can say we have a first line secured, which is a big deal and a good start.. but there’s so many other holes to fill.

The only way a rapid fire rebuild is going to have any short at taking place is if we manage to secure both Dubois and Huberdeau over the next 24 months. We still have monumentally large holes to fill at D and in net during this time period that would hold us back from being genuine contenders as well.

We have a few prospects that will ultimately settle into some of these roles but as many have pointed out, it’s a very deep pool in quantity which will produce at least a couple sure fire NHLers, but it’s missing high end quality. We have to hope some of them really exceed our expectations.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Still not sure how I feel about a short term rebuild in Montreal.

I’m not convinced we have the horses to be jumping into a short term rebuild. Outside of Suzuki/Caufield/Slafkovsky we don’t have any really high end blue chip young guys. So you can say we have a first line secured, which is a big deal and a good start.. but there’s so many other holes to fill.

The only way a rapid fire rebuild is going to have any short at taking place is if we manage to secure both Dubois and Huberdeau over the next 24 months. We still have monumentally large holes to fill at D and in net during this time period that would hold us back from being genuine contenders as well.

We have a few prospects that will ultimately settle into some of these roles but as many have pointed out, it’s a very deep pool in quantity which will produce at least a couple sure fire NHLers, but it’s missing high end quality. We have to hope some of them really exceed our expectations.

This team cant do a short rebuild. No elite franchise player in the system. We have nothing in the back and no goalies. It's atleast 5 years to be a top 10 team in the league and that's if things goes well.

 

[Weltschmerz]

They need to make a trade to move out salary. They can’t sign Dach.

Leafs and Rangers were smart to deal with their cap dumps early, now it seems noone wants to take any or the cost is absurd.

 

[HuGort]

I'd love for the Habs to eventually add a PLD to the team but just not right now.

I'd much rather they just stay the course right now, play out next season and hopefully get another top 5 pick plus another decent prospect with the Florida 1st in this upcoming very good draft and maybe try again next summer to acquire PLD, at hopefully a bit cheaper cost since he'd only have 1 year left before UFA then.

Plus the Habs will also have much more cap flexibility next summer than they do this year with a few contracts coming off the books after next season so it would be much easier to fit PLD in then as well.

Being patient with this ongoing PLD situation is probably the best way to go about approaching this. If he really wants to be a Hab he as his chance to be one in a couple of years so we'll see.

Exactly, Habs in no hurry to acquire PLD. Price in him will go down. We could wait a year. Even two years, get him for nil

 

[sampollock]

Did @sampollock borrow your HF account?

I’ve seen him write something similar.

Leafs and Rangers were smart to deal with their cap dumps early, now it seems noone wants to take any or the cost is absurd.

to trade out cash is not easy... 690 talked about it today.... things are to tight out there.

 

[therocket9]

Ducks need to add players who make money to get to the cap floor especially with Silfverberg going on LTIR when the season starts.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Ducks need to add players who make money to get to the cap floor especially with Silfverberg going on LTIR when the season starts.

Doesn't matter still counts against the cap floor.

 

[Michelangelo]

Didn't one of them only fall through because he only wanted one specific player?

Imagine if he had taken Tkachuk instead of trading for Weber.

We would have Huberdeau and Weegar today

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

He wasn't doing that when he was Puljujarvi's age though.

I like the idea of taking a chance on him and offloading a salary on Edmonton like Armia but not sure they do it. Armia could be a good piece for them honestly, but the three years is a problem.

Quick fact check on Arthur. Lehkys scored more goals as a 21yr old then Poolparty at 24 playing with Mcdavid

Poolparty is now 24. Its getting in the Drouin territory of he is ony 20, i mean 21, but wait til he is 22. Come on now ,you will all see when he is 28, then he will hit his prime

 

[Skip Bayless]

Quick fact check on Arthur. Lehkys scored more goals as a 21yr old then Poolparty at 24 playing with Mcdavid

Poolparty is now 24. Its getting in the Drouin territory of he is ony 20, i mean 21, but wait til he is 22. Come on now ,you will all see when he is 28, then he will hit his prime

Drouin has never played a full year with Kirby Dach. You better watch your jabroni mouth.

 

[Milhouse40]

They need to make a trade to move out salary. They can’t sign Dach.

I think they also need to add one RD.....can't see us starting the season with what we have now, one injury and we'll be force to use a prospect in a top role he might not be ready for.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

For that reason alone, something’s gotta give.

just give a damn 2nd rounder , we used like 10 of them in the last 3 years.

 

[sampollock]

Kent you getting PLD?
I want to know

 

[HuGo Sham]

Kent you getting PLD?
I want to know

not any time soon. imo.
there are so many moving parts.
-cheveldayoff not wanting to lose the trade - holding out for bigger pieces Kent reluctant to move
-Jets not rebuilding
-Jets with two years of team control
-PLD probably not exclusively wanting to go to habs
-HuGo no money to sign and trade right now
-PLD is not a distraction yet as season hasn't started, and jets aren't losing - and if they do, why not auction him to highest bidder looking to make a long playoff run

and on and on

 

[HuGo Sham]

The not exclusively wanting to go to the habs as the biggest reason IMO
There’s no way they’re trading for him unless pen has been to paper and has signed
So it’s not happening this year

for sure

 

[Natey]

How many of those games are Weber's games, Brook's, Teasdale's, etc?

So you're saying that Weber wasn't an important loss?

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

So you're saying that Weber wasn't an important loss?

Weber was such a great defenseman for the Habs. Price maybe gone too now. But it's good in the way that the Habs need to start new. Time to draft and develop new guys like that. Rebuild.

 

[BaseballCoach]

That trash contract won Habs biggest playoff series in 30 years. Subban by '21 was dog spew

Together with Price, Weber wass the biggest reason why the Habs killed off 30 straight penalties while winning three series.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

just give a damn 2nd rounder , we used like 10 of them in the last 3 years.

We just watched the Columbus Blue Jackets dump a superb player signed at a good price long-term for a third round pick. A 2nd rounder won't do shit.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Weber was such a great defenseman for the Habs. Price maybe gone too now. But it's good in the way that the Habs need to start new. Time to draft and develop new guys like that. Rebuild.

Weber’s career here in Montreal was all over the place considering it really wasn’t that long. Great in 16/17 and 18/19, hurt and a non factor most of 17/18, mediocre/bad in 19/20 and 20/21, and found a second wind out of seemingly nowhere during the SCF run. The fluke run really saved face on what could be considered a pretty inconsistent and disappointing stint here considering what we could’ve got for Subban when we traded him.

 

[EXPOS123]

Weber was such a great defenseman for the Habs. Price maybe gone too now. But it's good in the way that the Habs need to start new. Time to draft and develop new guys like that. Rebuild.

No he wasn’t. You take away that playoff run ( which we had no business even
being in the playoffs ) and his time here was borderline irrelevant.

But oh yea, that respect he had sure helped this team....

Please.