Sterling Archer
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HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80
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HabzSauce
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You forgot Huberdeau
sampollock
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Quick rebuild? Nothing is impossible, but it would require many pieces to fall into place quickly. For that Huberdeau is out of the picture, both on his end and on the Habs' end.
The D, for the Habs, isn't ready yet for a quick rebuild. The forwards could be closer, especially if Dach pans out and we end up with a HUGE pick in the 2023 draft.
If Montreal can land a legitimate 1st pairing, offensive RHD that is NHL ready, via the trade route or the UFA market, we'd be much closer to a quick rebuild.
One more year of consideration, after this upcoming season is over. before making the move, would be the wisest avenue.
25M in Cap room more wouldn't hurt.
Knowing how Slafkovsky fits in, maybe picking a Fantilli or a Dvorsky at the 2023 draft, seeing PLD become a UFA at that point, attracting or trading for that missing RHD, seeing another couple of years of development from Barron, seeing Guhle, Harris and/or Xhekaj mature, etc., etc...
A little more information is needed before making pitch for Huberdeau and we won't have that info in time to risk handing out a huge contract to a 30-year old.
Potential UFA RHDs over the next two seasons and their age at the time 2024-2025 comes around:
2023 (year UFA):
Weegar (30)
Matt Dumba (30)
Damon Severson (30)
2024 (year UFA):
Brandon Montour (30)
Anthony Deangelo (29)
Brett Pesce (30)
Not a whole lot of choices regarding top-4 RHDs and the better players are available at the end of next season.
After this upcoming season, if Montreal were to have as a promising young(ish) core (meaning we have some info on how ell the players are doing at the NHL level -- meaning they played in the NHL in 2022-2023) of the following Players:
C: Suzuki, Dach
W: Caufield, Slafkovsky
LD: Ghule, Matheson
RD: Barron
and we were to sign as a UFA, one of Weegar, Dumba or Severson:
C: Suzuki, Dach
W: Caufield, Slafkovsky
LD: Ghule, Matheson
RD: Barron, Weegar/Dumba/Severson
plus we would draft a C like Fantilly or Dvorsky:
C: Suzuki, Dach, Fantilli/Dvorsky
W: Caufield, Slafkovsky
LD: Guhle, Matheson
RD: Barron, Weegar/Dumba/Severson
We'd have the 2023-2024 season to let some more youngsters mature.
If the core, at the end of the 2023-2024 also hinted at youngsters like Roy and a D like Mailloux as NHLers, we could make a move to sign Dubois as an UFA, IMO.
2024-2025 could look something like this
Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Dubois - Fantilli/Dvorsky - Roy
Heineman - Dach - Anderson
In the top-9, the only midget would be Caufield, Suzuki and Roy, while not monsters, are physically sturdy players.
Matheson - Weegar/Dumba/Severson
Guhle - Barron
Xhekaj - Mailloux
The D, while quite young, would be a big-bodied, skilled, fast-skating bunch, hard to play against and with puck-movement at the forefront, despite the size factor.
The D, for the Habs, isn't ready yet for a quick rebuild. The forwards could be closer, especially if Dach pans out and we end up with a HUGE pick in the 2023 draft.
If Montreal can land a legitimate 1st pairing, offensive RHD that is NHL ready, via the trade route or the UFA market, we'd be much closer to a quick rebuild.
One more year of consideration, after this upcoming season is over. before making the move, would be the wisest avenue.
25M in Cap room more wouldn't hurt.
Knowing how Slafkovsky fits in, maybe picking a Fantilli or a Dvorsky at the 2023 draft, seeing PLD become a UFA at that point, attracting or trading for that missing RHD, seeing another couple of years of development from Barron, seeing Guhle, Harris and/or Xhekaj mature, etc., etc...
A little more information is needed before making pitch for Huberdeau and we won't have that info in time to risk handing out a huge contract to a 30-year old.
Potential UFA RHDs over the next two seasons and their age at the time 2024-2025 comes around:
2023 (year UFA):
Weegar (30)
Matt Dumba (30)
Damon Severson (30)
2024 (year UFA):
Brandon Montour (30)
Anthony Deangelo (29)
Brett Pesce (30)
Not a whole lot of choices regarding top-4 RHDs and the better players are available at the end of next season.
After this upcoming season, if Montreal were to have as a promising young(ish) core (meaning we have some info on how ell the players are doing at the NHL level -- meaning they played in the NHL in 2022-2023) of the following Players:
C: Suzuki, Dach
W: Caufield, Slafkovsky
LD: Ghule, Matheson
RD: Barron
and we were to sign as a UFA, one of Weegar, Dumba or Severson:
C: Suzuki, Dach
W: Caufield, Slafkovsky
LD: Ghule, Matheson
RD: Barron, Weegar/Dumba/Severson
plus we would draft a C like Fantilly or Dvorsky:
C: Suzuki, Dach, Fantilli/Dvorsky
W: Caufield, Slafkovsky
LD: Guhle, Matheson
RD: Barron, Weegar/Dumba/Severson
We'd have the 2023-2024 season to let some more youngsters mature.
If the core, at the end of the 2023-2024 also hinted at youngsters like Roy and a D like Mailloux as NHLers, we could make a move to sign Dubois as an UFA, IMO.
2024-2025 could look something like this
Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Dubois - Fantilli/Dvorsky - Roy
Heineman - Dach - Anderson
In the top-9, the only midget would be Caufield, Suzuki and Roy, while not monsters, are physically sturdy players.
Matheson - Weegar/Dumba/Severson
Guhle - Barron
Xhekaj - Mailloux
The D, while quite young, would be a big-bodied, skilled, fast-skating bunch, hard to play against and with puck-movement at the forefront, despite the size factor.
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Weber was replaced, his caphit was replaced by two pick ups. You can’t count him in the man games lost, he was retired with no hope of playing ever again.
The real man games lost figure is going to be considerably lower than the 700 million.
Milhouse40
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We need someone that can play 22-24 minutes a game....not a someone just to wear the jersey.
Don't need a superstar, just someone that won't be destroyed every shift......that would be true even if everyone is healthy.
le_sean
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But we wouldn’t have signed those players had he not been hurt. So you have to count those games.
Was great trade for Habs. They don't get by Toronto without Weber. Leafs darkest hours. Considering they were up 3-1. Plus not one person gave us a chance at start of series. That was Habs greatest playoff series in their 110 year history. He destroyed Matthews and company down low
NHLInjuryViz
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If we're playing along with their total being over 700, then that'll include 82 from Weber, 41 from Brook and 38 from Teasdale.
I wasn't counting any of those three FWIW. Obviously can make a decent argument for including Weber (though it would be difficult to then argue he shouldn't count in Vegas' numbers for the next four years too), but I'd suggest inflating it with Brook and Teasdale is various shades of nonsense personally...
600 MGL is still a lot anyway, so splitting hairs really.
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So every player that's retired should count as 82 MGL the following year? Absurd premise.
Weber's cap hit and roster spot was replaced and used up.
Until 2021 the Habs won zero playoff rounds with Weber. You can like the trade all you want but it wasn't a great trade, the Habs didn't have good outcomes after the trade vs before the trade -- in fact it's been a very dark period in the Weber era overall.
I don't have any fight about this, I just find it dishonest to count Weber as MGL when he was retired in all but name. Brook and Teasdale weren't going to be in the lineup either so they shouldn't count either. It's just silly to inflate that number when it's already massive -- losing Price for the whole season, losing Drouin, Byron, Dvorak, Eddy... it was brutal enough!
le_sean
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Le Tricolore
Boo! BOOOO!
Is.. is that now what they're in the process of doing?
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He retired due to injury but his roster spot was used up and his cap hit was replaced. It's ridiculous to count him as "MIA" when he wasn't going to be in action in any case. Retired due to injury or retired due to age and exhaustion = same thing. The Habs org knew he was out and signed players to replace his cap hit ... contrast this with how they didn't know Price would be out for the whole year.
You have a good point. The organization skimped on D by signing Savard at $3.5M to replace Weber, then put $4.5M on Hoffman.
Dumb.
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They didn't skimp on D, the D market in free agency usually sucks. It wasn't good last year:
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The Hoffman signing was just bad though.
sampollock
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And Ben... Ben worked nostrils over good around the hab net
Trades are allowed too.They didn't skimp on D, the D market in free agency usually sucks. It wasn't good last year:
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The Hoffman signing was just bad though.
Weber's, Brook's and Teasdale's games lost should indeed not count. However, other teams' calculations are done the same way, so when comparing, their numbers might have to be adjusted for LTIR and for minor leaguers too.
The trade happened after the 2015-16 season. While you give credit to Subban for the improvement in Nashville's results from 7 game loss in round two to finals appearance in 2016-17, but actually a 2 point drip in the regular season, you should logically also credit Weber for the Habs improving from third-worst team to a team with home ice advantage in the first round, 21 more points in the regular season.
In fact, the Norris voters gave Weber more votes that year than Subban. Out of 167 voters, 45 voted for Weber in the top 5, and not a single voter gave Subban a vote.
The second year following the trade, Subban had his best season in a while, and then the following year, he was not good, and he was traded for cap dumps. Then, his three years in NJ were abysmal.
The trade was fine, but the follow-up to create a contender was a massive fail by Bergy.
I say the trade was fine,m given Subban's $9M cap hit for 6 years when he was already slowing down.
Had Bergy given Subban the 8 years times $6M we were told he wanted in 2013, he would have fetched more in any trade. Four years tsa $6M versus 6 years at $9M!! But Bergy played hardball with a 2 year bridge and paid the price later.
MarioLeMoose
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That was absolutely not the Habs greatest playoff series in their 110 year history lol
It wasn’t even our greatest playoff series victory of that year.
MarioLeMoose
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Weber was great in Nashville, but as a Hab he’s the most overrated player we’ve had in some time. I’m glad he’s gone.
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