HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[BLONG7]

I'm not a fan of trading for him as well. He's alright but he's not as good as his "rebound" indicates. He's playing with either of McDavid or Drai. Byer beware. Drouin would look better playing with them too

Poor JD not sure he would look good on # 99's wing............can't shoot, and wont go to the net!! lol

 

[Habs Halifax]

Some good points, but I do believe there is at least one more move from HuGo to create some space.
Then, as the season progresses we should be able to dump some salary for picks, absolutely agree.

I think there are more moves to come as well. Management can't plan on Byron and Price on LTIR for the whole season. They need a back-up plan for cap management to enter the season under the cap and stay under the cap.

Agree, I think Dvorak will be gone (my money is on CGY)

I'm not too sure about that. What are the centers without Dvorak? Suzuki, Dach, Evans and then what? I think if Dvorak is traded, they bring in a center who is younger but cheaper. Similar to the Petry/Matheson trade.

I think Hoffman, Armia, Drouin, Byron, Dadonov are the ones they try to move for cap space.

 

[waitin425]

Fantastic but Bedard is never playing wing when he gets to the NHL.

Year one he could....just to get acclimatized to the show and play with some big bodies. Year 2. I agree, move him over

 

[Sterling Archer]

Do we need salary relief at this point though?

Byron on LTIR covers Dach's signing
Price is an unknown, but might be on LTIR
Next year, without any trades we have +/-11M (not including cap inflation) to spend on Caufield, Harris, Pezetta and a backup goalie

Wait until some players show value and move some of: Dadanov, Drouin, Hoffman, Armia, Dvorak at TDL when teams have some cap flexibility.

Apparently, Price will start the season and is ready to play. If his knee holds up is anther question.

Year one he could....just to get acclimatized to the show and play with some big bodies. Year 2. I agree, move him over

i don't know man. MSL isn't Therrien or Julien. He's big on letting the kids play, even if they make mistakes so they can learn. Also, Bedard would be the best center on the team and by a long shot. He may be given more protected minutes but I can't imagine him on the wing and not having the open ice to do what he does best.

 

[HABitual Fan]

I think there are more moves to come as well. Management can't plan on Byron and Price on LTIR for the whole season. They need a back-up plan for cap management to enter the season under the cap and stay under the cap.



I'm not too sure about that. What are the centers without Dvorak? Suzuki, Dach, Evans and then what? I think if Dvorak is traded, they bring in a center who is younger but cheaper. Similar to the Petry/Matheson trade.

I think Hoffman, Armia, Drouin, Byron, Dadonov are the ones they try to move for cap space.

Only ones moveable with so many contenders up aginst the cap are the expiring ones like Drouin and Dadonov with retention. Someone might take a shot at one or both if all it costs is like 2.75M

 

[blarneylad]

I think there are more moves to come as well. Management can't plan on Byron and Price on LTIR for the whole season. They need a back-up plan for cap management to enter the season under the cap and stay under the cap.



I'm not too sure about that. What are the centers without Dvorak? Suzuki, Dach, Evans and then what? I think if Dvorak is traded, they bring in a center who is younger but cheaper. Similar to the Petry/Matheson trade.

I think Hoffman, Armia, Drouin, Byron, Dadonov are the ones they try to move for cap space.

We aren't looking to win this season. So the who are the centers question? Youth. We are rebuilding. Gotta have some openings for youth.

Evans is more than capable of being a 3rd line center why suppress him in favour of Dvorak in a losing season?

This was the entire problem I had with the last regime. We sucked, we had losing seasons where we just kept on clawing for games. At the expense of ice time for younger players.

I look at the vets that saw favourable icetime to the kids over the last decade, where are those vets now and what did they amount to as assets in trades?

Evans is ready for the third line. The fourth line should be a grooming line for youth to step into the lineup during a rebuild.

You have Pitlick who saw can play center. Pop him on the fourth line.

Pezzata - Pitlick - Armia is a good 4th line if you ask me.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Only ones moveable with so many contenders up aginst the cap are the expiring ones like Drouin and Dadonov with retention. Someone might take a shot at one or both if all it costs is like 2.75M

Yes, the one year left guys with some retention might be our best odds to clear cap. There are other teams looking to do the same and there seems to be a standstill at the moment. Teams with cap space know their leverage

We aren't looking to win this season. So the who are the centers question? Youth. We are rebuilding. Gotta have some openings for youth.

Evans is more than capable of being a 3rd line center why suppress him in favour of Dvorak in a losing season?

This was the entire problem I had with the last regime. We sucked, we had losing seasons where we just kept on clawing for games. At the expense of ice time for younger players.

I look at the vets that saw favourable icetime to the kids over the last decade, where are those vets now and what did they amount to as assets in trades?

Evans is ready for the third line. The fourth line should be a grooming line for youth to step into the lineup during a rebuild.

You have Pitlick who saw can play center. Pop him on the fourth line.

Pezzata - Pitlick - Armia is a good 4th line if you ask me.

We are not going to trade Dvorak and go with Suzuki, Dach, Evans and hope Pitlick can play center the entire year. You need depth regardless of whatever direction you are in. Injuries happen and this is not the CHL type rebuild. It's a NHL business and you don't risk things like that.

Think Petry/Matheson swap. If Dvorak is traded to clear cap, another younger center that is cheaper comes the other way. Reality

 

[Bacchus1]

My hope is that we trade Anderson for prospects/futures, Armia for something similar, and maybe have a cap dump/LTIR. Then we sign Klingberg and Dach, and then we are done.

Klingberg would solidify our D and give our D prospects time to mature in the AHL.

All this would lead to a more competitive team that would aid the development of our U-25 players.

I doubt that it happens though.

 

[Habby4Life]

My hope is that we trade Anderson for prospects/futures, Armia for something similar, and maybe have a cap dump/LTIR. Then we sign Klingberg and Dach, and then we are done.

Klingberg would solidify our D and give our D prospects time to mature in the AHL.

All this would lead to a more competitive team that would aid the development of our U-25 players.

I doubt that it happens though.

There is zero chance they are signing Klingberg, None.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Poor JD not sure he would look good on # 99's wing............can't shoot, and wont go to the net!! lol

McDavid make anybody look better bud. Even you and me

There is zero chance they are signing Klingberg, None.

Nothing is ever zero but yeah... 0.1%?

I always felt the Klingberg to Montreal idea flawed and that started way back before the last deadline.

 

[sampollock]

The PK vs Weber "debate" has become Syphilitic. Get the f*** over it, please.

Enough threads have been hijacked by this.

Agreed
if MTL lost the deal PK would not be traded by NAS

 

[DAChampion]

Agreed
if MTL lost the deal PK would not be traded by NAS

????

Nashville got a few years of great production out of Subban, then traded him for good value and squandered the savings on Matt Duchene.

Btw, Montreal also traded Weber.

 

[Sterling Archer]

????

Nashville got a few years of great production out of Subban, then traded him for good value and squandered the savings on Matt Duchene.

Btw, Montreal also traded Weber.

Anyone can get traded. Even Lidstrom got traded

 

[MarioLeMoose]

Agreed
if MTL lost the deal PK would not be traded by NAS

“Agreed” that people need to get over it. Then proceeds to debate. Get over it chief.

 

[LaP]

Agreed
if MTL lost the deal PK would not be traded by NAS

It is my opinion that both teams lost that trade. Both teams could have had a much better return for the player they traded away.

 

[LaP]

There is zero chance they are signing Klingberg, None.

We need to trade a palyer to sign Dach and people think we will sign an UFA lol

 

[Sherwoo9]

I would not trade Dvorak unless it’s in a trade for a clear upgrade (I.e. Dubois) or when we know we are about to draft Bedard or Fantili. Especially not as a cap saving move in the current market for such moves. We don’t even have the final picture about what Dvorak can bring in better conditions. We gave good assets for him and I’m sure we can get them back if patient enough. Suzuki/Dvorak/Dach/Evans, I’m confortable entering the season, knowing its a development one.. but kids can’t just be thrown out there and see what happens. During the season, opportunities will arise..
I don’t see pure cap move short term other than the usual suspects Hoffman, Drouin, Armia… or Dadonov but I’m also curious on what a good start from him could bring at TDL.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Subban's hockey career...

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

If we're looking to compete for a playoff spot after next season, Klingberg could be a good ufa add

 

[Scriptor]

Habsolutely agree. Let’s get back to fantasizing.

Let’s say we have opportunity to land this top 9. up (or even with Fantili/Michkov/Dvorsky if no Bedard), it’s clear that UP the standings is the way to go from there. But unless exceptional development from kids… we still have a problem on defense, specially RD… how do we solve it?
- Leverage the high quantity of prospects we have through trade? (lot of B grade longshots but only few potential game breakers).
- We cross fingers that two of Barron/Mailloux/Norlinder/Harris/Hutson overkill development due to godmode coaching and support from development team?
- aim at big names from FA? (Dumba/Weegar In 2023? Pesce in 2024?)
- trust HuGo to find cheap, underated players through free agency, Flo-Panthers-style?

You forgot NJ's Severson as a UFA option.

All these players will be 30 in 2024-2025, at the start of the season, three years from now.

Matheson will also be 30, with two years left on his contract (good performance years, still for a D)

Barron, most likely, and one of Harris or Guhle, will have two full years of NHL experience under their belts (basically at the point where Romanov was as people were hinting he might have come into his own as a top-4 D).

Edmundson will be a free agent and it's a legitimate question to know if the Habs will have re-signed him to a three or four year contract (like Chiarot just got), through age 31, 32, 33, and 34 as a physical, shutdown D that can play Bothe sides effectively, a stabilizing veteran able to eat upon minutes?

Savard will still be around, although I would hope Montreal could have moved him and re-signed Edmundson instead; better alla round player who can be depth on any side.

With the addition of a veteran, first pairing RHD still good for four to five years (30, 31, 32, 33, 34), Montreal would be in an interesting position where a youngster could be paired up with a veteran on each pairing.

Guhle - Weeger/Dumba/Pesce/Severson
Edmundson - Barron
Matheson - Mailloux
Xhekaj

Hutson would be a project nearing a practical experiment at the NHL level and could become an eventual first-pairing LHD, pushing Edmundson to a third pairing role when Matheson might be traded at the trade deadline to make room on the left side:

Hutson - Weegar/Dumba/Pesce/Severson
Guhle - Barron
Edmundson - Mailloux
Xhekaj

Or, up front, if Montreal somehow lands a C from Fantilli or Dvorsky, Dach could, after rehabilitating his reputation, be traded for an upgrade on the right side of D, a younger Beck stepping into the picture as a two-way, third-line C.

Suzuki
Fantilli/Dvorsky
Beck
Evans

A power forward, UFA signing for the top-6 on the LW, like Dubois would not hurt in the least. He's also add a talented insurance marker at C in case of injury to a top-6 C:

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Dubois - Fantilli/Dvorsky - Roy
Heineman - Beck - Anderson/Mesar
Farrell - Evans - Ylonen

-OR-

Dubois - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Fantilli/Dvorsky - Mesar (potential national line)
Heineman - Beck - Roy/Anderson
Farrel - Evans - Ylonen

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

good move by ANA they will trade him at dealine for good assets

 

[blarneylad]

Yes, the one year left guys with some retention might be our best odds to clear cap. There are other teams looking to do the same and there seems to be a standstill at the moment. Teams with cap space know their leverage



We are not going to trade Dvorak and go with Suzuki, Dach, Evans and hope Pitlick can play center the entire year. You need depth regardless of whatever direction you are in. Injuries happen and this is not the CHL type rebuild. It's a NHL business and you don't risk things like that.

Think Petry/Matheson swap. If Dvorak is traded to clear cap, another younger center that is cheaper comes the other way. Reality

Well that isn't reality but actually conjecture on your part.

We have no clue who would be inquiring nor what they would be willing to part with.

 

[HomeAndHome]

So Chi could have Kane until at least the TDL if no discussions have even started with other teams, good for us

 

[Rozz]

????

Nashville got a few years of great production out of Subban, then traded him for good value and squandered the savings on Matt Duchene.

Btw, Montreal also traded Weber.

I mean.. that's kind of disingenuousness ... they traded him after his career was over due to injuries and he was never going play again.

Habs traded the contract not the player (as weber no longer is "a player") .... quite a bit different.

 

[DAChampion]

I mean.. that's kind of disingenuousness ... l

Obviously, I deliberately mirrored the original post.