HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

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It's hard to say just how difficult it might be for Hughes to make some Cap room right now. As fans, our negative evaluation of almost every player on the team is natural after finishing 32nd in the league last year, but might be a little exaggerated.

I doubt a player like Hoffman interests many teams at full salary for two years right now. Reuniting him with Dadonov (whom he allegedly had some chemistry playing with in the past) might help boost his value in the eyes of another team.

The easiest way to move some Cap is to move a player like Dadonov, a player with some value, still, and in the final year of his contract. To move him quickly, though, Montreal might need to eat some Cap. So, Dadonov, instead of saving 5M in cap space by being flipped, might only save 3.5M with 1.5M held back, or 3M with 2M held back or, at worst, 2.5M with half his salary held back, the maximum per the CBA.

Regarding the cap space missing for the Habs, I'm more concerned about the possible deals being missed with the waiver wire priority when a higher salaried player gets placed there to protect another player or because of NMCs for other players. Not being able to jump on a player would be an absolute waste of an advantage conferred by sucking so bad last season.

It might have to be trading Anderson and placing Byron on LTIR to have maximum flexibility until November 1st.

However, it would need to mean trading Anderson strictly for futures to create maximum Cap space and, IMO, that's a waste of a valuable asset that could perhaps help you land a much needed youngish upgrade on right D.

Need to see if there is a match somewhere, but something like a solid RHD on a bridge contract that is ending, say at 3M per year.

Moving Anderson, at 5.5M would temporarily create 2.5M in Cap space and allow Montreal to sign Dach to a bridge contract. Placing Byron on LTIR would provide 3.4M for the waiver wire acquisition and protection for short term injuries.

With 16.775 M available under the cap in the next offseason, the RHD could easily be signed long term, along with Caufield and there would still be plenty of cap space available.

Dante Fabbro
Philippe Myers
Evan Bouchard
Ethan Bear
Vince Dunn (but lefty who plays RD)
Jamie Drysdale
Ryan Merkely
 
I say with confidence that Habs will place Byron on LTIR if they need to at the start of the season.

Also, HuGo have shown they won't add sweeteners to create cap space.

They might take a contract back with less term to make the money work for both teams, much like they did by taking Tyler Pitlick from Calgary for Toffoli. And like they did in the Weber trade by taking Dadonov, who is in the final year of his deal.

Also, Poehling doesn't count a sweetener in the Petry deal because Poehling had no place on the Habs anymore.
Agreed that Poehling wasn’t a sweetener but merely currency to get a deal done. Pens wanted a center but were also reluctant to part with Matheson.
 
I have said it before. In 2017-18, Subban was better by far. Agreed. 3rd in Norris voting. We know these things.

But overall, Subban had 6 years at $9M left on his contract, and the final 4 years were between not good and abysmal.

Yes, Weber was injured for parts of his five seasons here. Forget the 6th, he was on LTIR all year. Bu he was still logging minutes whereas Subban was a joke at $9M.

I'm not biased against Subban, but it's clear Poile had to dump him after only 3 seasons, and got nothing back, negative value. The New Jersey tenure was embarrassing.

The Habs are not where they are today because of the Subban-Weber trade. They are where they are because Bergevin was a massive, massive fail at managing a team, from the coaches he hired on down.
Completely disagree. If our idiot clueless GM had traded Subban for a young established or up and coming #1 center instead of a dman on his last legs, we would not have had to trade Sergachev for Drouin (who has done nothing except eat up valuable cap space) or drafted Kk, or made a ridiculous offer sheet to Aho, which in turn lead us to losing KK, and having to use the first round pick we got as compensation on an overpriced bottom six center which we are now trying to unload for pennies on the dollar because his cap hit is hindering us.
 
Teams don’t want to lose their cap space for player with terms like armia/hoffman. And if Armia/Hoffman would be UFA this summer. Not sure they would find a team/or . Their salary (aav) would be lower.
Hoffman UFA now (july 30th) would have trouble finding a team. He would probably need to sign a contract around 1M AAV. I'm curious to see what Subban and Kessel will need to accept to find a team.
 
Agreed that Poehling wasn’t a sweetener but merely currency to get a deal done. Pens wanted a center but were also reluctant to part with Matheson.
Pretty sure the Pens targeted Poehling. They need cheap depth to replace the guys they lost. Poehling got the tools to play a depth role in the NHL and he is ready to take the next step. They surely believe the environment they will provide will help him become a pro. Pretty sure they wanted him and that he's not just a throw-in for them.
 
It's hard to say just how difficult it might be for Hughes to make some Cap room right now. As fans, our negative evaluation of almost every player on the team is natural after finishing 32nd in the league last year, but might be a little exaggerated.

I doubt a player like Hoffman interests many teams at full salary for two years right now. Reuniting him with Dadonov (whom he allegedly had some chemistry playing with in the past) might help boost his value in the eyes of another team.

The easiest way to move some Cap is to move a player like Dadonov, a player with some value, still, and in the final year of his contract. To move him quickly, though, Montreal might need to eat some Cap. So, Dadonov, instead of saving 5M in cap space by being flipped, might only save 3.5M with 1.5M held back, or 3M with 2M held back or, at worst, 2.5M with half his salary held back, the maximum per the CBA.

Regarding the cap space missing for the Habs, I'm more concerned about the possible deals being missed with the waiver wire priority when a higher salaried player gets placed there to protect another player or because of NMCs for other players. Not being able to jump on a player would be an absolute waste of an advantage conferred by sucking so bad last season.

It might have to be trading Anderson and placing Byron on LTIR to have maximum flexibility until November 1st.

However, it would need to mean trading Anderson strictly for futures to create maximum Cap space and, IMO, that's a waste of a valuable asset that could perhaps help you land a much needed youngish upgrade on right D.

Need to see if there is a match somewhere, but something like a solid RHD on a bridge contract that is ending, say at 3M per year.

Moving Anderson, at 5.5M would temporarily create 2.5M in Cap space and allow Montreal to sign Dach to a bridge contract. Placing Byron on LTIR would provide 3.4M for the waiver wire acquisition and protection for short term injuries.

With 16.775 M available under the cap in the next offseason, the RHD could easily be signed long term, along with Caufield and there would still be plenty of cap space available.

Dante Fabbro
Philippe Myers
Evan Bouchard
Ethan Bear
Vince Dunn (but lefty who plays RD)
Jamie Drysdale
Ryan Merkely
Islanders need scoring wingers.

Anderson, Hoffman, Ylonen and choice of Florida 2023 1st or Habs 2024 1st
versus
Dobson, Beauvillier, Panik
 
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Completely disagree. If our idiot clueless GM had traded Subban for a young established or up and coming #1 center instead of a dman on his last legs, we would not have had to trade Sergachev for Drouin (who has done nothing except eat up valuable cap space) or drafted Kk, or made a ridiculous offer sheet to Aho, which in turn lead us to losing KK, and having to use the first round pick we got as compensation on an overpriced bottom six center which we are now trying to unload for pennies on the dollar because his cap hit is hindering us.

Agreed

Obtaining a 1C should have been MBs #1 priority the day he was hired,

After 10 years, he was still unable to fill that void,
 
What would you offer if we took Beauvillier out?

Beauvillier's value isn't so great to be honest. I believe he was getting low minutes at some point last season and there were trade rumors about him. Getting him shouldn't be so hard but he's a player that we don't need or already have the same profile on this team (see Hoffman). If we could swap him for Gallagher straight up, I'd consider it.
 
So why did you post it on a public forum? Why not just whip me an email?

Joking aside, I would like to start a poll and see how many get the reference. I think that's one of the dividing lines in this forum. Age.
Got it at 52. Pretty sure a few friends who are 45 would also get it. How old is old for you?

They aren't moving Dobson. Hoffman is a cap dump. Literally no teams want Josh in thus market. You offered nothing
That's based on Butkus. Word is many teams were after Anderson, but none gave blow my mind offers to make Hughes deal the player.
 
The Beauvillier fascination on this board is hilarious, perplexing and disturbing all at the same time. :laugh:

Why would anyone want him, much less at a premium??? Change his name to Bowton from Connecticut and literally no one would who he was much less include him in any trade proposal.
I included him because I think Islanders are overpaying him and it might entice them to make the trade.

But perhpaps they love Anthony.
 
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