HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Rozz]

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Obviously, I deliberately mirrored the original post.

Ahhhh my bad I missed that... ignore me lol

 

[sampollock]

Anyone can get traded. Even Lidstrom got traded

or #99

 

[Miller Time]

can we just create a separate thread for posters who need to keep the revisionist history about the PK/Weber trade alive for whatever reason it is they obsess about it so much?

PK is a UFA. Weber was traded away and is headed to retirement. neither are relevant to the trade proposal thread.

 

[HuGort]

That criticism lands more on Bergevin than any Habs player. Bergevin thought it was the Bergevin show and his ego was as inflated as I’ve ever seen in a GM or coach in any sport ever.

Subban hardly compares.

Couldn't be. Subban given the run in Nashville and Jersey also. Which of course, would have nothing to do with Bergevin. Now not a team will offer him a contract

 

[HuGort]

100% why i don't want him back has a Habs imagine the attention he will seek if it happens.

I doubt Subban be back on Montreal. Tempting on a cheap contract. Where he is so skilled, playing under Marty there's that chance he excells. But also chance his attitude rubs off on young stars. Which could leave blackmark on team for years in this rebuild.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Couldn't be. Subban given the run in Nashville and Jersey also. Which of course, would have nothing to do with Bergevin. Now not a team will offer him a contract

He was given the run in Nashville and Jersey for different reasons tho. He went into a rapid decline that Nashville was smart enough to see. The reason he was traded from here was because of team politics.

 

[Scriptor]

Do we need salary relief at this point though?

Byron on LTIR covers Dach's signing
Price is an unknown, but might be on LTIR
Next year, without any trades we have +/-11M (not including cap inflation) to spend on Caufield, Harris, Pezetta and a backup goalie

Wait until some players show value and move some of: Dadanov, Drouin, Hoffman, Armia, Dvorak at TDL when teams have some cap flexibility.

At seasons end, Montreal will have 16.775M in cap space after expiring contracts for Drouin (5.5M), Dadonov (5M), Byron (3.4M) and Allen 2.875M).

4 players will need to be replacing them in the lineup before we can determine exactly how much Cap room will be left over.

A backup like Mount Mambo (or Primeau, or another), replacing Allen, will come in at 1M, minimum.

Heineman, replacing Byron, will cost 897K.

Slafkovsky, replacing Dadonov, will cost 950K with a potential 3.5M in maximum bonuses that can be pushed to the next year.

a Ylonen, at around 1M, can replace Drouin.

The cost, before bonuses, comes out to 3.847K, leaving roughly 12.925M.

If Caufield can be signed to 6.75M long term, that leaves 7M for a 1st pairing RHD on the UFA market after the upcoming season. Or, if Caufield is signed long term for 7M, that leaves 6.75M for a 1st pairing RHD.

There will be 8M left over after the next season from Edmundson and Hoffman's expiring contracts. An ELC on D and a UFA signing of a player like Dubois should ring in for that amount. If it's too tight, a league minimum salary can replace Pitlick's 1.1M to free up 300K to 400K more.

The following season, more coin comes off the books.

Consdering bonuses to Slafkovsky, it's tight and Montreal will need to determine if they are selling Dvorak for futures after this upcoming season (most likely). The 4.45M would serve to wipe away Slafkovsky bonuses and keep some emergency cap room for short term injuries.

I would not trade Dvorak unless it’s in a trade for a clear upgrade (I.e. Dubois) or when we know we are about to draft Bedard or Fantili. Especially not as a cap saving move in the current market for such moves. We don’t even have the final picture about what Dvorak can bring in better conditions. We gave good assets for him and I’m sure we can get them back if patient enough. Suzuki/Dvorak/Dach/Evans, I’m confortable entering the season, knowing its a development one.. but kids can’t just be thrown out there and see what happens. During the season, opportunities will arise..
I don’t see pure cap move short term other than the usual suspects Hoffman, Drouin, Armia… or Dadonov but I’m also curious on what a good start from him could bring at TDL.

Whether it be because Montreal has seen Dach progress or because we landed one of Fantilli or Dvorsky, Dvorak will need to be flipped after this upcoming season for Cap space, especially if we manage to lure a top RHD UFA, which we should try to do.

Hopefully, Dvorak will have progressed and net some good futures, or, he could net us a good RHD prospect?

 

[the]

100% why i don't want him back has a Habs imagine the attention he will seek if it happens.

I’m sure a King Clancy Memorial Trophy winner can bring nothing but positive energy.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

My hope is that we trade Anderson for prospects/futures, Armia for something similar, and maybe have a cap dump/LTIR. Then we sign Klingberg and Dach, and then we are done.

Klingberg would solidify our D and give our D prospects time to mature in the AHL.

All this would lead to a more competitive team that would aid the development of our U-25 players.

I doubt that it happens though.

Klingberg can't play defensively at all , he would not solidify anything

 

[Bacchus1]

We need to trade a palyer to sign Dach and people think we will sign an UFA lol

Read what he is responding to

Klingberg can't play defensively at all , he would not solidify anything

The D-core’s responsibility isn’t only to defend. Defensemen are regularly found on the PP where we their jobs are we to score.

 

[chef otto]

Montreal needs to shed some cap and they are not the only one. I see only 3 teams that can help.
Contract that should go are Hoffman/Armia to say and wishful thinking is Gallagher. Contracts that could be move and are done at season ends are Drouin, Byron and Dadonov.
My proposal:
Armia to Buffalo for a 2023 4th-this
Hoffman to Dallas for Kero Tanner or pick

 

[Hins77]

Montreal needs to shed some cap and they are not the only one. I see only 3 teams that can help.
Contract that should go are Hoffman/Armia to say and wishful thinking is Gallagher. Contracts that could be move and are done at season ends are Drouin, Byron and Dadonov.
My proposal:
Armia to Buffalo for a 2023 4th-this
Hoffman to Dallas for Kero Tanner or pick

Teams don’t want to lose their cap space for player with terms like armia/hoffman. And if Armia/Hoffman would be UFA this summer. Not sure they would find a team/or . Their salary (aav) would be lower.

 

[chef otto]

Teams don’t want to lose their cap space for player with terms like armia/hoffman. And if Armia/Hoffman would be UFA this summer. Not sure they would find a team/or . Their salary (aav) would be lower.

Buffalo has a lot of space and could very well use Armia in their bottom 6 for the next 3 year. Dallas is set to go for it and a scorer like Hoffman could solidify their PP and with all the UFA statues Dallas has for 2023-2024 season, that could help plus he only has 2 years left.

 

[Hins77]

Buffalo has a lot of space and could very well use Armia in their bottom 6 for the next 3 year. Dallas is set to go for it and a scorer like Hoffman could solidify their PP and with all the UFA statues Dallas has for 2023-2024 season, that could help plus he only has 2 years left.

Yeah, but Jim Nill In Dallas, knows like you know as me, that Hugues is handcuff with those contract. He won’t make a favor and gonna ask prospect/picks with Hoffman/armia.
Bjorkstrnd just left for a 3rd pick and pacioretty for nothing. Armia and Hoffman are cap dump right now.

 

[Runner77]

Yeah, but Jim Nill In Dallas, knows like you know as me, that Hugues is handcuff with those contract. He won’t make a favor and gonna ask prospect/picks with Hoffman/armia.
Bjorkstrnd just left for a 3rd pick and pacioretty for nothing. Armia and Hoffman are cap dump right now.

Exactly. They earn too much and have excess term for what they bring. They may have some value when they are on the final year of their contracts, and by that time, the cap will have risen.

I don’t know how Hughes is going to manufacture cap space but he’ll have to find a way, esp. to take advantage of the Habs’ first ranking waiver wire claim priority until November 1st.

 

[Hins77]

Exactly. They earn too much and have excess term for what they bring. They may have some value when they are on the final year of their contracts, and by that time, the cap will have risen.

I don’t know how Hughes is going to manufacture cap space but he’ll have to find a way, esp. to take advantage of the Habs’ first ranking waiver wire claim priority until November 1st.

Maybe Byron on LTIr? Or maybe giving a 3rd pick armia… I think there is many option for Kent Hugues to deal with teams like anaheim/buffalo etc. But he will needs to give a sweetner

 

[austin316]

I think we will see a Dvorak or Anderson trade before the deadline. We have to free up future cap as well, and they are our only forwards under long term contracts who have value.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I think we will see a Dvorak or Anderson trade before the deadline. We have to free up future cap as well, and they are our only forwards under long term contracts who have value.

...I'd still hold tight on Anderson, unless HuGo gets an offer they can't refuse...and get MSL to work on his "tunnel vision" problem...

 

[Doublechin]

I think we will see a Dvorak or Anderson trade before the deadline. We have to free up future cap as well, and they are our only forwards under long term contracts who have value.

Most teams that want assets in order to win are extremely tight on cap. They'd wanna send us back their cap dumps, I have a feeling it will be extremely hard to move big salaries from here on til the deadline.

 

[chef otto]

Yeah, but Jim Nill In Dallas, knows like you know as me, that Hugues is handcuff with those contract. He won’t make a favor and gonna ask prospect/picks with Hoffman/armia.
Bjorkstrnd just left for a 3rd pick and pacioretty for nothing. Armia and Hoffman are cap dump right now.

If that is needed, then go for it. In the end, how many picks do the habs really need? Dallas could use Hoffman IMO or even Armia. As for Patch, Vegas was in major trouble for cap as where Montreal is, not so bad.

 

[Runner77]

Maybe Byron on LTIr? Or maybe giving a 3rd pick armia… I think there is many option for Kent Hugues to deal with teams like anaheim/buffalo etc. But he will needs to give a sweetner

So far, we have seen Hughes not willing to eat salary, nor offer sweeteners.

I’m not sure how much mileage can be had out of LTIR. Glad Kojak is the one getting the big bucks to figure it out.

 

[Habs10Habs]

So far, we have seen Hughes not willing to eat salary, nor offer sweeteners.

I’m not sure how much mileage can be had out of LTIR. Glad Kojak is the one getting the big bucks to figure it out.

I respect him for standing his ground. Though I don't think he realized how difficult moving out salary would be. I think you'll see him ease up and become more flexible. The closer it gets to training camp.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Maybe Byron on LTIr? Or maybe giving a 3rd pick armia… I think there is many option for Kent Hugues to deal with teams like anaheim/buffalo etc. But he will needs to give a sweetner

I say with confidence that Habs will place Byron on LTIR if they need to at the start of the season.

Also, HuGo have shown they won't add sweeteners to create cap space.

They might take a contract back with less term to make the money work for both teams, much like they did by taking Tyler Pitlick from Calgary for Toffoli. And like they did in the Weber trade by taking Dadonov, who is in the final year of his deal.

Also, Poehling doesn't count a sweetener in the Petry deal because Poehling had no place on the Habs anymore.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I respect him for standing his ground. Though I don't think he realized how difficult moving out salary would be. I think you'll see him ease up and become more flexible. The closer it gets to training camp.

I doubt that. He’s been in hockey for decades as has Gorton. Even though he’s a new GM, he’s not new to hockey and knows very well how these things work. I don’t see him make an about face, especially when he doesn’t have to rush and can be patient. I’m also sure he has multiple irons in the fire but waiting to see how things pan out.

Expect more moves to happen before the start of the season.

 

[Habs10Habs]

I doubt that. He’s been in hockey for decades as has Gorton. Even though he’s a new GM, he’s not new to hockey and knows very well how these things work. I don’t see him make an about face, especially when he doesn’t have to rush and can be patient. I’m also sure he has multiple irons in the fire but waiting to see how things pan out.

Expect more moves to happen before the start of the season.

No I wasn't challenging their knowledge. In the past, teams with cap space were more than willing to take on a bad contract. For example, I've been buying and selling properties for years. Things change, and markets fluctuate. So you have to be flexible or you'll lose out on opportunities.

I still expect more moves before the start of the season. I just think that HuGo will be more flexible with their decisions.