HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[ReHabs]

What she says is just that Hughes was trying to potentially sign a Québec-born player and he would just be passing. It wouldn't be a long-term transaction. So she warned them that the player in question was highly regarded in Québec and he would need to play and have a solid amount of minutes if he were to be signed. It's worthwhile and very salient input; it's frankly the type of input she was hired to give.

This is what Chantal Machabée said then, yeah?

She perpetuates the exact issue this organization has suffered from for years. The same problem no other hockey organization in the NHL inflicts upon itself. She’s an imbecile.

What a small, irrelevant subsection of non-fans think is irrelevant and should be treated as such. Not encouraged.

I hope so too but GMs will hold on to that 23 first with a tight fist. Next draft is much much better than last this past year

Eddy is a very good option and with a terrific cap hit. If he plays as well as Chiarot did he is a shoe-in for a big trade deadline haul.

 

[Adriatic]

He's still talking about Chantal

 

[ReHabs]

You realize it's her job to manage the image of the organization right? She was literally hired by HuGo to do so and to advise them on PR related matters. So you're calling for them to fire her... for advising them on PR related matters... that they hired her to do...

Not to mention you've decided not to actually listen to the interview and instead completely take the quote out of context and twist it to fit your own manufactured outrage. Take a chill pill man.

Her judgement is wrong and she is wrong. Her advice is bad. She is bad at her job.

A small insignificant irrelevant subsection of non-fans should have zero influence on any affair.

Bergevin traded away beloved homegrown superstar PK Subban. Get out of my face with this crap, you know perfectly well what horrible precedent this sets.

 

[MonkeyBusiness]

This is what Chantal Machabée said then, yeah?

She perpetuates the exact issue this organization has suffered from for years. The same problem no other hockey organization in the NHL inflicts upon itself. She’s an imbecile.

What a small, irrelevant subsection of non-fans think is irrelevant and should be treated as such. Not encouraged.


Eddy is a very good option and with a terrific cap hit. If he plays as well as Chiarot did he is a shoe-in for a big trade deadline haul.

She just said if you sign said player, you should make him play. She's not perpetuating anything. It's simply a tip to potentially avoid backlash; it's her job. If she is trying to coerce Hughes into anything, what is it? I fail to see it and hearing her speak doesn't reveal any sort of hidden agenda. I was hesitant to listen to the interview because frankly I don't care about PR stuff. But she seems level-headed. Have you listened to her interaction with Mario?

Her judgement is wrong and she is wrong. Her advice is bad. She is bad at her job.

A small insignificant irrelevant subsection of non-fans should have zero influence on any affair.

Bergevin traded away beloved homegrown superstar PK Subban. Get out of my face with this crap, you know perfectly well what horrible precedent this sets.

You keep repeating this. What exactly in her words is so ignoble as to incite such vitriol on your part?

 

[ReHabs]

She just said if you sign said player, you should make him play. She's not perpetuating anything. It's simply a tip to potentially avoid backlash; it's her job. If she is trying to coerce Hughes into anything, what is it? I fail to see it and hearing her speak doesn't reveal any sort of hidden agenda. I was hesitant to listen to the interview because frankly I don't care about PR stuff. But she seems level-headed. Have you listened to her interaction with Mario?


You keep repeating this. What exactly in her words is so ignoble as to incite such vitriol on your part?

There wouldn’t be any relevant backlash. The small, insignificant portion of fans will learn to live with a hockey club that does what is best for the team — and for the first time in their lives they might come to face the fact that their voice and threat of backlash is irrelevant.

We know fans are irrelevant because the Habs have crossed the fans many times and the fans have come back like always. We are addicted, we need our fix. Non-fans move on.

Instead, Chantal encourages and perpetuates this Sword of Damocles (“Be wary of pissing off the wrong kind of French fans”). She’s off on the wrong step, it’s clear she has no interest in changing the paradigm. There are plenty of level-headed imbeciles.

Eventually I hope HuGo don’t listen to the former RDS employee and realize the truth.

Sorry for making a meal of it, I really don’t understand how else to express myself when a series of people respond to my posts one after another with the same dismissal, no matter how simply I think I express why I think it is important.

We can disagree on its importance but to say that she didn’t perpetuate the exact thing that many of us rly dislike about the Habs PR situation is very disingenuous

 

[Guy Larose]

LOL let it go already

 

[Naslundforever]

There wouldn’t be any relevant backlash. The small, insignificant portion of fans will learn to live with a hockey club that does what is best for the team — and for the first time in their lives they might come to face the fact that their voice and threat of backlash is irrelevant.

We know fans are irrelevant because the Habs have crossed the fans many times and the fans have come back like always. We are addicted, we need our fix. Non-fans move on.

Instead, Chantal encourages and perpetuates this Sword of Damocles (“Be wary of pissing off the wrong kind of French fans”). She’s off on the wrong step, it’s clear she has no interest in changing the paradigm. There are plenty of level-headed imbeciles.

Eventually I hope HuGo don’t listen to the former RDS employee and realize the truth.

Nick learning the local lingo enough to talk about hockey over the duration of that contract takes nothing away from the team though.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I hope so too but GMs will hold on to that 23 first with a tight fist. Next draft is much much better than last this past year

Yes but by the TDL most picks will be in the 20-30 range so not as valuable as lower picks. Before season starts there’s always uncertainty of a bad season, unexpected injuries etc. I’d expect it to be the same as in past years as they’re later picks.

 

[ReHabs]

Nick learning the local lingo enough to talk about hockey over the duration of that contract takes nothing away from the team though.

I fully support that. My gripe was about the anecdote Chantal shared in the podcast, which was quoted in the summary of the podcast.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Bergevin traded away beloved homegrown superstar PK Subban. Get out of my face with this crap, you know perfectly well what horrible precedent this sets.

...and that's the crux of it, right there...and everyone in here that brushes it off as nothing is perpetuating the same bullshyte that happened when Cunneyworth was hired to finish off the rest of a horrid season...what's best for the TEAM is best for the team as long as it keeps that certain portion of the fanbase, media included, from making ugly tweets or printing ugly stories vilifying the Habs as not Quebecois enough...and if people are OK with that, then they are part of the problem not the solution...period...

 

[CDN24]

would something around a winger (Hoffman?) to the ducks for Shattenkirk (1 yr left at 3.9M) make sense maybe habs add a pick. Ducks have 9D on Cap friendly roster - just added Beaulieu on a PTO. Have 2 other d on PTO- seems like they might want to move a D

 

[Adam Michaels]

For anyone wondering why Hoffman wasn't there today, he was sick.

 

[MonkeyBusiness]

There wouldn’t be any relevant backlash. The small, insignificant portion of fans will learn to live with a hockey club that does what is best for the team — and for the first time in their lives they might come to face the fact that their voice and threat of backlash is irrelevant.

We know fans are irrelevant because the Habs have crossed the fans many times and the fans have come back like always. We are addicted, we need our fix. Non-fans move on.

Instead, Chantal encourages and perpetuates this Sword of Damocles (“Be wary of pissing off the wrong kind of French fans”). She’s off on the wrong step, it’s clear she has no interest in changing the paradigm. There are plenty of level-headed imbeciles.

Eventually I hope HuGo don’t listen to the former RDS employee and realize the truth.

Sorry for making a meal of it, I really don’t understand how else to express myself when a series of people respond to my posts one after another with the same dismissal, no matter how simply I think I express why I think it is important.

We can disagree on its importance but to say that she didn’t perpetuate the exact thing that many of us rly dislike about the Habs PR situation is very disingenuous

That's not what she said. Answer the question: have you listened to the interview? I'm aware there are plenty of even-keeled mouth breathers out there. And I won't insult Machabée, I've always been indifferent to her and her being hired by the Habs. As for your last sentence, which PR situation is that? That we need to appease french-speaking fans and go and acquire Québecois players? Be more specific, I'm not being disingenuous. I sincerely think you're misinterpreting and misrepresenting what was said. This wasn't your typical pro francophone spiel.

 

[General Fanager]

This is what Chantal Machabée said then, yeah?

She perpetuates the exact issue this organization has suffered from for years. The same problem no other hockey organization in the NHL inflicts upon itself. She’s an imbecile.

What a small, irrelevant subsection of non-fans think is irrelevant and should be treated as such. Not encouraged.


Eddy is a very good option and with a terrific cap hit. If he plays as well as Chiarot did he is a shoe-in for a big trade deadline haul.

Yes but by the TDL most picks will be in the 20-30 range so not as valuable as lower picks. Before season starts there’s always uncertainty of a bad season, unexpected injuries etc. I’d expect it to be the same as in past years as they’re later picks.

it will also help that he has 2 years left not just this one.....

 

[yianik]

We need to hold onto a good asset or two from the roster. Gives us possible options at the draft. Say we are picking 6th and the C we want is still at 4, maybe Anderson gets us the player, as an example.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Edmundson at deadline 50% retention would have alot of teams calling the ask would certainly be 2023 1st round pick +

Hes signed for another year and hes a big stay at home veteran def with a ring,he’s definitely better then Chiarot too

 

[Vachon23]

would something around a winger (Hoffman?) to the ducks for Shattenkirk (1 yr left at 3.9M) make sense maybe habs add a pick. Ducks have 9D on Cap friendly roster - just added Beaulieu on a PTO. Have 2 other d on PTO- seems like they might want to move a D

Don’t think Shattenkirk will waive his clause for MTL, even if it would make sense.

 

[durojean]

There wouldn’t be any relevant backlash. The small, insignificant portion of fans will learn to live with a hockey club that does what is best for the team — and for the first time in their lives they might come to face the fact that their voice and threat of backlash is irrelevant.

We know fans are irrelevant because the Habs have crossed the fans many times and the fans have come back like always. We are addicted, we need our fix. Non-fans move on.

Instead, Chantal encourages and perpetuates this Sword of Damocles (“Be wary of pissing off the wrong kind of French fans”). She’s off on the wrong step, it’s clear she has no interest in changing the paradigm. There are plenty of level-headed imbeciles.

Eventually I hope HuGo don’t listen to the former RDS employee and realize the truth.

Sorry for making a meal of it, I really don’t understand how else to express myself when a series of people respond to my posts one after another with the same dismissal, no matter how simply I think I express why I think it is important.

We can disagree on its importance but to say that she didn’t perpetuate the exact thing that many of us rly dislike about the Habs PR situation is very disingenuous

It is pretty simple.

We get a good quebec player and he does not get the icetime to value himself.

Put’s unnecessary pressure on the player himself and on the habs.

It creates a toxic environment for other players to play in. It goes against the development of everyone.

It’s bot about the pressure on the Habs, bit about the pressure on everyone. Chantal’s advice was good.

 

[The Great Weal]

Edmundson at deadline 50% retention would have alot of teams calling the ask would certainly be 2023 1st round pick +

Hes signed for another year and hes a big stay at home veteran def with a ring,he’s definitely better then Chiarot too

If they are confident with Matheson as a leader then I could see them trading him at 50% for a great return. We got Matheson and Savard as vets for the backend. The only issue is that we will probably plan to trade Monahan, Drouin, and Dadonov this year and they all need to be retained to be traded meaning that we have no more retention slots available for Edmundson. This is also assuming we keep Allen and nobody wants Byron even at 1.7 million.

 

[SwiftyHab]

Edmundson at deadline 50% retention would have alot of teams calling the ask would certainly be 2023 1st round pick +

Hes signed for another year and hes a big stay at home veteran def with a ring,he’s definitely better then Chiarot too

A late first

 

[26Mats]

A late first

Maybe he gets a 2024 1st. And if you pick the right team to get that 1st from, you give yourself a chance to get a mid 1st, or even a lottery 1st if you really choose your trading partner right.

 

[Kaiden Ghoul]

Guessing the french player was Beauvillier and probably swapped for a D

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

If they are confident with Matheson as a leader then I could see them trading him at 50% for a great return. We got Matheson and Savard as vets for the backend. The only issue is that we will probably plan to trade Monahan, Drouin, and Dadonov this year and they all need to be retained to be traded meaning that we have no more retention slots available for Edmundson. This is also assuming we keep Allen and nobody wants Byron even at 1.7 million.

Very good point on the retention limit i guess it depends on the return GMs would give for Edmundson compared to the return we would get for Drouin but yes i guess trade deadline will all depend on the season our players are having

 

[Habs Icing]

If she thinks Byron, Drouin, Montembeault, or Savard are so popular with our fanbase that we can't afford to trade them, she is a fool.

If she is worried that acquiring a French player and moving him in a three team deal will cause a lot of backlash, she is an even bigger fool.

Are we going to get so attached to the French player in the 3 seconds that he is technically on our team that we will riot in the streets? wtf

I don't think Byron has the correct ethnic makeup. His wool is not pure.

 

[Habs Icing]

It already perfectly explained a few posts up:

'She was asked “why didn’t you draft players from the Q, you’re like Bergevin”.

She didn’t duck, she said you have to go BPA for drafting, that they tried to move up to draft Q players but other teams knew it and were asking a lot (too much).

As for the Franco player trade, all she said is that if asked by HuGo she briefs them on the PR'

You have an uncanny ability to find the oddest reasons to bitch.

Wait a sec, the fact there's a PR to consider when trading a Franco player doesn't concern you? She admits it in the supposed "tamed" version. She briefs them on the PR if asked. That for me says a lot. Hugo shouldn't be briefed on any PR. The fact that she thinks there's a possible PR aspect is very telling.