HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[BigDaddyLurch]

You didn’t know yet that…

prospects >>> nhl player that are not PPG

...so people that have never played are always more valuable than those that do but don't hit a PPG??...

 

[salbutera]

Nice to see their forward-thinking ways but what the hell is their AHL team doing in a crime-infested dump like Hartford?

That’s the world class ambience they are reserving for their farmhands?

Of course, they are investing in modern methods but having your AHL team closer to MSG, in an updated building goes hand in hand with putting their minor league players in the best possible position to be successful.

Bridgeport where Isles AHL team played is THE crime infested dump in CT. The XL Center (old Hartford Civic Center renovated) is good place to watch an AHL game for the family - don’t forget there are a lot of top end prep schools with 40-min drive in Mass, and CT. Starting w Avon Old Farms (former NYR alum Leetch & Drury, Atkinson, Chris Higgins, Quick, Bonino), Rosemary Choate (Darche!!), Deerfield, Thayer, Kent etc. all within 20-min. There’s a huge high school & college hockey culture

 

[Runner77]

… and this moron who said Barron was a bordeline whatever…who freaking cares ?

I never called her a “moron” but thought the excerpt about the Habs that appeared in a major NY publication might have been of interest to Hab fans.

Quite often, these out of town reporters have takes that reflect a fan base majority opinion or even in the case of Larry Brooks, he might act as the pipeline for something Rags ownership might want to get across without ascribing it to anyone in particular.

This reporter’s take on Barron surprised me, as it contrasts with the glowing upside comments we tend to see in here about him. Was it founded? Who knows, his story has not been written yet but she may have expressed something that someone within the Rags organization is thinking.

No one is going to lose sleep over it, obviously. It just needs to be put into a proper context.

I apologize if you or anyone were put off by her comments, it was not my intent.

 

[Runner77]

Bridgeport where Isles AHL team played is THE crime infested dump in CT. The XL Center (old Hartford Civic Center renovated) is good place to watch an AHL game for the family - don’t forget there are a lot of top end prep schools with 40-min drive in Mass, and CT. Starting w Avon Old Farms (former NYR alum Leetch & Drury, Atkinson, Chris Higgins, Quick, Bonino), Rosemary Choate, Kingswood Oxford (Darche!!) all within 20-min. There’s a huge high school & college hockey culture

What I offered about Hartford came in large part from what I’ve seen Ranger fans argue about. They feel that sending players to Hartford is counterproductive and would much rather see them play in a closer location to MSG.

I don’t have much experience with the city other than a flight I took to meet a Pratt&Whitney exec. in Hartford on behalf of my employer at the time (approx 20 years ago). I remember locals telling me not to go out at night in the downtown core as it was unsafe, there were several incidents involving people shooting from buildings.

But, things may have evolved since then, I don’t know — I only know that several Rangers fans on this site despise Hartford as a location for an AHL team.

 

[Scriptor]

I doubt there's salary retention on more than for pending UFA like Monahan and Dadonov. I like the idea of retaining 200k on Evans, but if there's retention on more than a year it should be very low.

That's why 200K as a gesture to round out the Cap hit at 1.5M was appropriate, IMO. More than that (like 700K, to make the cap hit a cool Million), I wouldn't do it.

 

[salbutera]

What I offered about Hartford came in large part from what I’ve seen Ranger fans argue about. They feel that sending players to Hartford is counterproductive and would much rather see them play in a closer location to MSG.

I don’t have much experience with the city other than a flight I took to meet a Pratt&Whitney exec. in Hartford on behalf of my employer at the time (approx 20 years ago). I remember locals telling me not to go out at night in the downtown core as it was unsafe, there were several incidents involving people shooting from buildings.

But, things may have evolved since then, I don’t know — I only know that several Rangers fans on this site despise Hartford as a location for an AHL team.

West Hartford has become defacto downtown Hartford

As for the WolfPack - fans pack the place to watch AHL hockey (pardon the pun). The issue is there aren’t any other options except Bridgeport for NYR farm teams unless they go to upstate NY, but even there it’s Sabres & Sens who’ve got their farm teams, and both distance wise is much further away from Manhattan to get a player over within 2.5hr drive

 

[bcv]

That's why 200K as a gesture to round out the Cap hit at 1.5M was appropriate, IMO. More than that (like 700K, to make the cap hit a cool Million), I wouldn't do it.

You can only retain a certain number of player, it’d be pretty dumb to use one of those limited spots to retain 200k on a player making 1.7M.

 

[Runner77]

West Hartford has become defacto downtown Hartford

As for the WolfPack - fans pack the place to watch AHL hockey (pardon the pun). The issue is there aren’t any other options except Bridgeport for NYR farm teams unless they go to upstate NY, but even there it’s Sabres & Sens who’ve got their farm teams, and both distance wise is much further away from Manhattan to get a player over within 2.5hr drive

I saw some fans being concerned that Hartford is off putting for Ranger players who are being sent down, hence their reaction.

 

[salbutera]

I saw some fans being concerned that Hartford is off putting for Ranger players who are being sent down, hence their reaction.

Well maybe Drury or Marty can rent them a room in their mansions in the Gold Coast of CT…

 

[Scriptor]

Why would HuGo ever ask her anything? Just make whatever trade they want and it's up to her to come up with an explanation for the Mediots.

This witch hunt of Chantal is getting ridiculous, especially if it comes from those that couldn't understand a word of the interview.

I listened to the interview and it mentioned one instance where Montreal would have been an intermediary for moving a KNOWN francophone player that was really respected in Montreal, not some A-list prospect.

She said that she suggested to Hughes to consider that a good portion of the fan base would likely have rather kept that player (that's what was implied), whether that was good for the team or not.

She also stated that, in the end, Hughes will do what Hughes does and that she has zero power over what he decides.

I see this as a harmless reminder to consider everything before making a move, not some treacherous mindset where a perceived opinion from a portion of the fan base rules the day!

Whoever is making a fuss about this doesn't have proper context and is flying off the handle with zero understanding about what they are opining about.

Those who say she can Fukc off can, well, fukc off.

...yup, despite YEARS of evidence to the contrary, it's the "it doesn't matter where a person is born" portion of our fanbase who are the problem...great call...

That's clearly not what he said, but masters of straw man arguments keep rising up in this forum.

 

[Scriptor]

I responded to a published quote. If you want to listen to drivel from RDS employees past and present I would argue you have no idea how valuable your time is.

You responded to something out of context. Congratulations. Unfortunately, doesn't make you sound particularly smart. Preferring to be misinformed because your time is too precious? Did I understand that correctly?

 

[Peteux]

This witch hunt of Chantal is getting ridiculous, especially if it comes from those that couldn't understand a word of the interview.

I listened to the interview and it mentioned one instance where Montreal would have been an intermediary for moving a KNOWN francophone player that was really respected in Montreal, not some A-list prospect.

She said that she suggested to Hughes to consider that a good portion of the fan base would likely have rather kept that player (that's what was implied), whether that was good for the team or not.

She also stated that, in the end, Hughes will do what Hughes does and that she has zero power over what he decides.

I'm not a fan of her when she says "faut tu y donne un contrat pis tu l'fasse jouer" (you need to give him a contract and make him play) when she talks about the Quebecker that would have just "passed through" the Habs in that hypothetical 3 way trade.

I hope HuGo aren't listening much to the media/fan/PR noise and will make decision without that pressure.

And I think I know who's that Quebecker. She really said "you need to give him a contract and make him play" and that was about a well respected Quebec born player. In what kind of trade you receive a player and need to give him a contract? Probably a RFA without a contract.

I'd bet a lot this mysterious Quebecker was Dubois. Was there another RFA without a contract, Quebec born player, "well liked", this summer?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I'm not a fan of her when she says "faut tu y donne un contrat pis tu l'fasse jouer" (you need to give him a contract and make him play) when she talks about the Quebecker that would have just "passed through" the Habs in that hypothetical 3 way trade.

I hope HuGo aren't listening much to the media/fan/PR noise and will make decision without that pressure.

And I think I know who's that Quebecker. She really said "you need to give him a contract and make him play" and that was about a well respected Quebec born player. In what kind of trade you receive a player and need to give him a contract? Probably a RFA without a contract.

I'd bet a lot this mysterious Quebecker was Dubois. Was there another RFA without a contract, Quebec born player, "well liked", this summer?

There is no way Dubois was passing through in a 3 way trade unless they know for sure he is full of shit about wanting to play for the Habs.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

You responded to something out of context. Congratulations. Unfortunately, doesn't make you sound particularly smart. Preferring to be misinformed because your time is too precious? Did I understand that correctly?

...right...you're in her head when she said it, so you'd know what she truly meant, right??...








...or was her meaning pretty much exactly as it sounded??...right...

 

[HabzSauce]

And I think I know who's that Quebecker. She really said "you need to give him a contract and make him play" and that was about a well respected Quebec born player. In what kind of trade you receive a player and need to give him a contract? Probably a RFA without a contract.

I'd bet a lot this mysterious Quebecker was Dubois. Was there another RFA without a contract, Quebec born player, "well liked", this summer?

Maybe it's Drouin

 

[ReHabs]

You responded to something out of context. Congratulations. Unfortunately, doesn't make you sound particularly smart. Preferring to be misinformed because your time is too precious? Did I understand that correctly?

You all definitely sound brilliant when you explicitly defend and equivocate for the former RDS employee (!) who explicitly reinforced the exact same and overarching problem the Habs organization has had for the last 20 years (!!).

Chantal Machabée couldn’t have asked for a better vanguard of RDS’ ridiculous and arbitrary Francophone agenda.

Instead of shrugging as saying this was an imbecile’s way of dealing with “the fans” (a small and pointless subset of fans who have zero interest in hockey itself) you instead choose to take up arms and defend the honour of the former RDS employee when she alludes to “PR concerns” that no other hockey club would have to deal with.

Bravo and chapeau to you all. Brilliant minds.

 

[yzerman]

I dont get i why everyone keeps saying the Montreal Canadiens is a bottom team i actually think they have a deep and good mix of skill players and toughness and for me they could very well be a top 15-20 team in the league i mean this lineup cant be that bad?i mean if we had 1 really good righthanded defenceman and Allen plays like a top 10 goalie this could be a playoff team so i think this team could be very underrated.

Slavkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield
Drouin-Dvorak-Anderson
Dadonov-Dach-Gallagher
Hoffman-Evans-Armia

Matheson-Savard
Edmundson-Barron
Harris-Wideman

Allen
Montembeault

 

[ReHabs]

I dont get i why everyone keeps saying the Montreal Canadiens is a bottom team i actually think they have a deep and good mix of skill players and toughness and for me they could very well be a top 15-20 team in the league i mean this lineup cant be that bad?i mean if we had 1 really good righthanded defenceman and Allen plays like a top 10 goalie this could be a playoff team so i think this team could be very underrated.

Slavkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield
Drouin-Dvorak-Anderson
Dadonov-Dach-Gallagher
Hoffman-Evans-Armia

Matheson-Savard
Edmundson-Barron
Harris-Wideman

Allen
Montembeault

Four of those six defenders are inconsequential (as of writing -- maybe Barron and Harris really do impress). Allen is a 1B goalie, that by itself means a lot of dropped points. Monty is dreadful.

As for the forwards, you don't have a single PPG player there no matter how hard to look. Which means you need even scoring on every line. Going from the bottom: the 4th line won't score much as neither Evans or Armia are capable of hitting 40 pts. The third line has even bigger problems with Gallagher (who in an interview admitted hip problems) scoring just 30pts last year and Dach who played with Patty Kane couldn't muster even 40 pts. Then you have Anderson and Drouin on the same line... they're good for 30-40 pts tops. Then you have Slafkovsky who is very young and a total unknown in terms of his production ability.

I think if you evaluate other rosters you'll see we're at the very bottom. Even Arizona has Clayton Keller, who's better than our best fwd.

 

[Heffyhoof]

...and I would infer that it isn't "freaking out", it's a reaction to a problem that this Organization has been skirting for decades...pretending it doesn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist...

Five or six posters posted maybe 15 comments in total about it. It's only considered freaking out because of which employee it is.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I dont get i why everyone keeps saying the Montreal Canadiens is a bottom team i actually think they have a deep and good mix of skill players and toughness and for me they could very well be a top 15-20 team in the league i mean this lineup cant be that bad?i mean if we had 1 really good righthanded defenceman and Allen plays like a top 10 goalie this could be a playoff team so i think this team could be very underrated.

Slavkovsky-Suzuki-Caufield
Drouin-Dvorak-Anderson
Dadonov-Dach-Gallagher
Hoffman-Evans-Armia

Matheson-Savard
Edmundson-Barron
Harris-Wideman

Allen
Montembeault

Are you joking? That is easily the worst D in the NHL and we have a career backup starting in net

It would be very on brand for us to finish outside the top 10 pick range this year though so I’ll give you that

 

[Vachon23]

There is no way Dubois was passing through in a 3 way trade unless they know for sure he is full of shit about wanting to play for the Habs.

The thing is that she never talk about a 3 way deal and it was never about a 3 way trade. It could have been as easy as Weber to Arizona for Antoine Roussel at the TDL

 

[HuGort]

Anderson's value will be high, but during the offseason when teams can maneuver to make Cap room, not at the deadline with so many years remaining on his contract.


I agree. Fair(brother) offer.

I think Fairbrother and Ylonen is a fair offer. I am not looking to take somebody. If scouting feels Nils is piece they need I would pay high price. If he's the piece they need.

 

[sampollock]

no deals, start the season and see what happens

 

[ReHabs]

The thing is that she never talk about a 3 way deal and it was never about a 3 way trade. It could have been as easy as Weber to Arizona for Antoine Roussel at the TDL

yeah and she’s an imbecile if she tried to deter Hughes from such a move on account of a small subset of fake fans’ feelings

 

[Vachon23]

yeah and she’s an imbecile if she tried to deter Hughes from such a move on account of a small subset of fake fans’ feelings

The thing is that she never tried to deter Hughes to make a such move (What everyone who watch the interview told you )