HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #80

[Kobe Armstrong]

...so "Let's be careful with trading said Quebecois player, even if it is to address a need and/or improve the team, because they are popular with the fans"...exactly what everyone else in here said...and you don't see that as a problem??...

If she thinks Byron, Drouin, Montembeault, or Savard are so popular with our fanbase that we can't afford to trade them, she is a fool.

If she is worried that acquiring a French player and moving him in a three team deal will cause a lot of backlash, she is an even bigger fool.

Are we going to get so attached to the French player in the 3 seconds that he is technically on our team that we will riot in the streets? wtf

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

...I'm gonna say this as precisely as I can and just see where it lands:

...in Toronto, the Toast of the Town in an American whom the fanbase loves and could care less where he was born, as long as he helps the team...

...in Edmonton, the Toast of the Town is an Ontarian whom the fanbase loves and could care less where he was born, as long as he helps the team...

...in Montreal, the Toast of the Town is Pierre-Luc Dubois and he doesn't even play for the freakin' team...


...that's why stories like this really piss me off, cuz where a player was born shouldn't mean a damn thing to a Professional Hockey Team; whether they can help you win should...this is 2022, not 1950...we've supposedly grown as a Society...

 

[jrom]

it’s obvious who listened to the interview and who is hyperventilating over misquoted / out of context comments

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

it’s obvious who listened to the interview and who is hyperventilating over misquoted / out of context comments

...yup, despite YEARS of evidence to the contrary, it's the "it doesn't matter where a person is born" portion of our fanbase who are the problem...great call...

 

[ReHabs]

it’s obvious who listened to the interview and who is hyperventilating over misquoted / out of context comments

I won't listen to the interview but feel free to correct the quote that was published or give the context you think is missing.

Men some here like to see drama everywhere...

the only thing Chantal said is that one time Hughes informe her about a potential trade with a French player and she said, since she’s the PR, to be careful with that because the player is popular in the fanbase. She never said to don’t do the trade

The instinct to (1) say and (2) actually think Hughes needs "to be careful" is what makes her an imbecile.

People get riled up over such stupidities on here lol.

The Habs are so well run that we should just give them all the benefit of the doubt especially when it comes to their ex-RDS employees. Is that it?

 

[jrom]

...yup, despite YEARS of evidence to the contrary, it's the "it doesn't matter where a person is born" portion of our fanbase who are the problem...great call...

She was asked “why didn’t you draft players from the Q, you’re like Bergevin”.

She didn’t duck, she said you have to go BPA for drafting, that they tried to move up to draft Q players but other teams knew it and were asking a lot (too much).

As for the Franco player trade, all she said is that if asked by HuGo she briefs them on the PR side of it but that obviously they’re not asking her permission and that they can decide to ignore what she said. Not sure what everyone is freaking about.

 

[Vachon23]

I won't listen to the interview

Then don’t comment on it if you don’t know what you’re talking about

 

[ReHabs]

Then don’t comment on it if you don’t know what you’re talking about

I responded to a published quote. If you want to listen to drivel from RDS employees past and present I would argue you have no idea how valuable your time is.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

She was asked “why didn’t you draft players from the Q, you’re like Bergevin”.

She didn’t duck, she said you have to go BPA for drafting, that they tried to move up to draft Q players but other teams knew it and were asking a lot (too much).

As for the Franco player trade, all she said is that if asked by HuGo she briefs them on the PR side of it but that obviously they’re not asking her permission and that they can decide to ignore what she said. Not sure what everyone is freaking about.

...and I would infer that it isn't "freaking out", it's a reaction to a problem that this Organization has been skirting for decades...pretending it doesn't exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist...

 

[jellybeans]

I’d take Monahan on 1 leg over Evans.
He has a sick shot, can help the PP, he’s superior on face offs and can help mentor the kids. I highly doubt they got him so he can sit eating hotdogs while Evans slots in.

They got him because of the 1st they got lol never would they trade for him otherwise.

 

[Sterling Archer]

They got him because of the 1st they got lol never would they trade for him otherwise.

I wasn’t aware you advised on Habs trades and were part of making the deal.

The simpleton that I am would’ve thought that adding center depth to a young core of Suzuki and Dach would help mentor them. Having a better then 50% F/O would allow them to be shelter more sheltered and have better pick possession. Not to mention adding him to the PP would add some much needed extra scoring touch and if he had a good year, flip him for another asset at the deadline. But what do I know.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I wasn’t aware you advised on Habs trades and were part of making the deal.

The simpleton that I am would’ve thought that adding center depth to a young core of Suzuki and Dach would help mentor them. Having a better then 50% F/O would allow them to be shelter more sheltered and have better pick possession. Not to mention adding him to the PP would add some much needed extra scoring touch and if he had a good year, flip him for another asset at the deadline. But what do I know.

...and that's Best Case Scenario what we all want to happen...but Monahan hasn't been "that" Monahan in years, so what we are expecting is a vet there for moral support (and help on faceoffs if he plays) and not much more...and that 1st...

 

[Sterling Archer]

...the "old" Monahan (whom we actually could had drafted if Gauthier had even been a somewhat respectable GM and got a 1st in the Cammalleri trade instead of a 2nd) is something we could absolutely use...in our Top 6...no one knows if that player even exists anymore, not to mention that we are talking about a Bottom 6 role, one that Evans plays and plays well...admittedly, I like Evans and want to keep him around, but even my bias for him doesn't skew the fact that Evans plays a Bottom 6 role much better than any version of Monahan ever has...

By all accounts, his hips are no longer an issue for him after having both successfully repaired and rehabbed. That being said, I don’t think he’ll be back to what he used to he, but Monahan at 80-90% of what he was is still a hell of an upgrade on Evans.

Monahan plays a better top/middle six role than Evans ever could. So wouldn’t that added depth be a better addition to the Habs lineup? Why wouldn’t you want a better quality center playing in that kind of role to add substantial depth.

I don’t even know where Monahan will slot in but I know he’s miles ahead of Evans in any role. Outside of speed, Evans has nothing on Monahan and Evans has his own extensive health issues to boot.

...and that's Best Case Scenario what we all want to happen...but Monahan hasn't been "that" Monahan in years, so what we are expecting is a vet there for moral support (and help on faceoffs if he plays) and not much more...and that 1st...

Just to reiterate, he’s been on bum hips and played through it for 2 1/2 years. He’s he successful surgeries and by all accounts is better physically than he’s been in years. So time will tell but I’ll still take him over Evans everyday.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

By all accounts, his hips are no longer an issue for him after having both successfully repaired and rehabbed. That being said, I don’t think he’ll be back to what he used to he, but Monahan at 80-90% of what he was is still a hell of an upgrade on Evans.

Monahan plays a better top/middle six role than Evans ever could. So wouldn’t that added depth be a better addition to the Habs lineup? Why wouldn’t you want a better quality center playing in that kind of role to add substantial depth.

I don’t even know where Monahan will slot in but I know he’s miles ahead of Evans in any role. Outside of speed, Evans has nothing on Monahan and Evans has his own extensive health issues to boot.


Just to reiterate, he’s been on bum hips and played through it for 2 1/2 years. He’s he successful surgeries and by all accounts is better physically than he’s been in years. So time will tell but I’ll still take him over Evans everyday.

...Monahan, by most accounts from Flames fans and my own viewing of his career so far, is poor to mediocre defensively, always has been, and I certainly don't want that in my Bottom 6 unless the plan is to bring the entire line down...again I reiterate that we are supposed to be discussing a Bottom 6 role and not his scoring prowess (or lack thereof lately)...I am well aware that he is supposedly healed from the hips' surgeries; I also know that I've personally never seen, that I remember, a player come back from hip surgery and be that same player, let alone on both hips...if he does, fantastic; he needs to play Top 6...if he is half the player he once was on his rebuilt hips, then he isn't getting Top 6 and I'd prefer Evans in the Bottom cuz Monahan won't be able to score or defend...we need to first see if he is able to play before we are ready to slot him in anywhere or start dumping other players in order to keep him...

 

[Sterling Archer]

...Monahan, by most accounts from Flames fans and my own viewing of his career so far, is poor to mediocre defensively, always has been, and I certainly don't want that in my Bottom 6 unless the plan is to bring the entire line down...again I reiterate that we are supposed to be discussing a Bottom 6 role and not his scoring prowess (or lack thereof lately)...I am well aware that he is supposedly healed from the hips' surgeries; I also know that I've personally never seen, that I remember, a player come back from hip surgery and be that same player, let alone on both hips...if he does, fantastic; he needs to play Top 6...if he is half the player he once was on his rebuilt hips, then he isn't getting Top 6 and I'd prefer Evans in the Bottom cuz Monahan won't be able to score or defend...we need to first see if he is able to play before we are ready to slot him in anywhere or start dumping other players in order to keep him...

I hear what you’re saying but I think we’re looking at this differently. Habs brass have been very clear they want a high octane team. I don’t see them having 2 offensive lines a checking and a 4th energy line. They already have a huge surplus of forwards so I imagine they’ll be rolling 4 lines that can all score. With that in mind, I don’t see Evans supplanting Monahan anywhere in the lineup. Evans can still be in but he’d be a winger IMO while Suzuki, Dach, Dvo and Monahan are all still in the lineup. So if there’s a forward surplus and Evans is a trade chip to get Lundkvist etc. I think it’s a no brainer.

Time will tell. That likely won’t be the case anyways with the likelihood of a trade.

 

[Andrei79]

I responded to a published quote. If you want to listen to drivel from RDS employees past and present I would argue you have no idea how valuable your time is.

He actually listened to the interview where that "quote" came from, which was a misinterpretation of what she actually said. You're making judgements on Machabée based on actual drivel.

Then don’t comment on it if you don’t know what you’re talking about

Well, that would imply he never posts again this summer.

 

[Runner77]

I hear what you’re saying but I think we’re looking at this differently. Habs brass have been very clear they want a high octane team. I don’t see them having 2 offensive lines a checking and a 4th energy line. They already have a huge surplus of forwards so I imagine they’ll be rolling 4 lines that can all score. With that in mind, I don’t see Evans supplanting Monahan anywhere in the lineup. Evans can still be in but he’d be a winger IMO while Suzuki, Dach, Dvo and Monahan are all still in the lineup. So if there’s a forward surplus and Evans is a trade chip to get Lundkvist etc. I think it’s a no brainer.

Time will tell. That likely won’t be the case anyways with the likelihood of a trade.

What intrigues me is how Hughes, who is not one for empty words, said at the time of acquiring Monahan, that he was open to extend him to a long term deal, with no caveats added.

I don’t want to use that sentiment to evoke how effective Monahan might be following the completion of his rehab, however, that’s one ringing endorsement.

By way of contrast, Hughes didn’t comment on any openness for an extension when when he acquired Dadonov, so there has to be something that motivated him to consider an extension with Monahan.

Someone should ask Hughes why he said that during tomorrow’s Q&A session.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I responded to a published quote. If you want to listen to drivel from RDS employees past and present I would argue you have no idea how valuable your time is.

Oof. I think it's time to stop posting buddy.

Men some here like to see drama everywhere...

the only thing Chantal said is that one time Hughes informe her about a potential trade with a French player and she said, since she’s the PR, to be careful with that because the player is popular in the fanbase. She never said to don’t do the trade

I'm not sure if it's they like to see drama or there's just some many legitimate dumbasses on this board. Probably a bit of both.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I hear what you’re saying but I think we’re looking at this differently. Habs brass have been very clear they want a high octane team. I don’t see them having 2 offensive lines a checking and a 4th energy line. They already have a huge surplus of forwards so I imagine they’ll be rolling 4 lines that can all score. With that in mind, I don’t see Evans supplanting Monahan anywhere in the lineup. Evans can still be in but he’d be a winger IMO while Suzuki, Dach, Dvo and Monahan are all still in the lineup. So if there’s a forward surplus and Evans is a trade chip to get Lundkvist etc. I think it’s a no brainer.

Time will tell. That likely won’t be the case anyways with the likelihood of a trade.

...and I'm trying to look at it as realistically as I can for Monahan, but he was never a speed demon (in fact his skating was an issue early in his career as it was in Junior), more of a stationary playmaker/scorer, and now he has two rebuilt hips...I just am not holding out much hope that the Monahan trade got us much more than the 1st...if he proves us doubters wrong, that's great...

 

[Spring in Fialta]

...so "Let's be careful with trading said Quebecois player, even if it is to address a need and/or improve the team, because they are popular with the fans"...exactly what everyone else in here said...and you don't see that as a problem??...

That's not what she said at all. Holy shit.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

That's not what she said at all. Holy shit.

...then, please, you explain her meaning here good sir...the floor is yours...enlighten us all...

 

[Spring in Fialta]

...then, please, you explain her meaning here good sir...the floor is yours...enlighten us all...

It already perfectly explained a few posts up:

'She was asked “why didn’t you draft players from the Q, you’re like Bergevin”.

She didn’t duck, she said you have to go BPA for drafting, that they tried to move up to draft Q players but other teams knew it and were asking a lot (too much).

As for the Franco player trade, all she said is that if asked by HuGo she briefs them on the PR'

You have an uncanny ability to find the oddest reasons to bitch.

 

[Mcdonaldz]

So Fracophone players shouldn't be traded away even if it helps the team, because we wouldn't want to disrespect and anger the fans by improving the team.

Okay Chantal, you're the first person of the new regime to join my shitlist. Imbecile.

You don’t even know what the trade was loll some of you guys are way too emotional.

Shitlist, Imbecile, and this moron who said Barron was a bordeline whatever…who freaking cares ?

It was probably something small that was not worth the PR headache … yet you act like she’s cost us 2 first rounders.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

It already perfectly explained a few posts up:

'She was asked “why didn’t you draft players from the Q, you’re like Bergevin”.

She didn’t duck, she said you have to go BPA for drafting, that they tried to move up to draft Q players but other teams knew it and were asking a lot (too much).

As for the Franco player trade, all she said is that if asked by HuGo she briefs them on the PR'

You have an uncanny ability to find the oddest reasons to bitch.

...and you the uncanny ability to leave shyte out of any post to your own benefit...guess we're both talented...

 

[Mcdonaldz]

Evans is certainly better right now than any of the center prospects. There is no guarantee that any of the prospects will make it in the NHL. Evans has already demonstrated he is a bottom 6 center.

You didn’t know yet that…

prospects >>> nhl player that are not PPG