HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[donghabs98]

It will get done. PLD very explicit in not player for Jets and you can't have that in an already difunctional locker room. It's a game of chicken at the moment.

And if Hughes have proven anything, its that he isnt making a trade unless he's comfortable with it

 

[Habs Halifax]

His case isn't going to arbitration, though. At least not player-elected arbitration. PLD didn't file for it.

Today is the deadline for team-elected arbitration filings. So the only way this goes to arbitration is because of the Jets. But I don't see them do that.

Dubois didn't file for it cause now they have to settle on the qualifying offer and it's one RFA year at a time. I'm curious, would Dubois get more than his qualifying offer if it went to arbitration? $6M qualifying offer I believe?

Jets are in scramble mode at the moment. I think they will have to settle on that qualifying offer which is 1 year correct?

Very curious if the Habs and Jets are even talking now or was that done after the draft. Couldn't come to terms and Hughes said we can look at a potential trade in season or at the deadline now. If so, well played Hughes! If not and they are still talking, I would love to know how far apart they are.

 

[BaseballCoach]

What do folks think of a 1-for-1 trade of Mike Hoffman for Tyson Barrie? Both overpaid? Do the positions they play make this a possible win-win?

 

[Habs Halifax]

And if Hughes have proven anything, its that he isnt making a trade unless he's comfortable with it

Agreed. He clearly understand his leverage and the Jets are not going to fool us into thinking we need to trade for him cause he is from Quebec. Jets have very little leverage in this situation.

Wish it was the Blue Jackets we were using our leverage on but sorry Jets, you intervened and took a player you thought you could convince to extend. It back fired! Now the cards are in the Habs hand or they can try with another team. Good luck!

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

What do folks think of a 1-for-1 trade of Mike Hoffman for Tyson Barrie? Both overpaid? Do the positions they play make this a possible win-win?

we need space for kids now. We have 4 vets already

 

[Habs Halifax]

What do folks think of a 1-for-1 trade of Mike Hoffman for Tyson Barrie? Both overpaid? Do the positions they play make this a possible win-win?

Doubt the Oilers do this. Makes sense to us more than them. Close but what does their D look like on the RD side without Barrie? I'm not sure

 

[morhilane]

Dubois didn't file for it cause now they have to settle on the qualifying offer and it's one RFA year at a time.

Jets are in scramble mode at the moment. I think they will have to settle on that qualifying offer which is 1 year correct?

Very curious if the Habs and Jets are even talking now or was that done after the draft. Couldn't come to terms and Hughes said we can look at a potential trade in season or at the deadline now. If so, well played Hughes! If not and they are still talking, I would love to know how far apart they are.

There are 4 paths for Dubois right now:
- he sign his QO which is a one year deal
- he doesn't sign his QO and he has until December 1st to get a contract and play in the 2022-2023 season in the NHL
- the Jets go to arbitration, that means the contract is at least the QO value but it allows Dubois to select a 1 or 2 years from what I understood
- he gets traded (before December 1st if without contract)

 

[Captain Mountain]

What do folks think of a 1-for-1 trade of Mike Hoffman for Tyson Barrie? Both overpaid? Do the positions they play make this a possible win-win?

Doubt Oilers do it, but it makes sense for Montreal.

 

[1909]

Drouin (5,5M $) to L.A. for Sean Walker (2,7M $) (+ a conditional pick depending of Drouin's performance)

Saves another 3M $ + fills a hole on RD.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I don’t see a situation where Dubois plays for Winnipeg this season.

He’s coming to MTL.

That’s in Chevy’s hands. Not Dubois’s. Montreal’s not going to sell the farm for him. I imagine Chevy has no problem going to the final hour to sign him in November. Dubois has much more to lose if he has to sit out the year then Winnipeg or Montreal do in that situation.

 

[Habby4Life]

Posted this in a thread on the Main trade board, Considering these are the 2 players most of their fans want dealt anyways...

Not the solution Leaf fans would want , but given the Petry trade, the reality they will probably face. To clear a bit of cap space for this season and to open a spot and sign Sandin.

Holl and Kerfoot (5.5 M) 1 year left on both

for

Hoffman (4.5M) 2 years left + rights to Stapely (expire Aug 15)

Montreal fills a need on RD for this season, and breaks the winger logjam for next season with 2 players they can possibly trade at the deadline for more picks to help the rebuild.

Toronto gets 1M in cap room this season, and can buyout, trade, or keep Hoffman next season. He can help on the 2nd line and the PP playing with JT. Stapely who Montreal apparently does not intend to sign could be a decent Marlie or Growler.

This is similar to the Petry trade where Montreal took on the extra year of Matheson due to the lower cap hit compared to Petry.

If needed Montreal could probably add a B prospect or draft pick to close the deal.

Ohhh, a little vomit came up when I saw that proposal. Habs should pass on that.

 

[Habs Halifax]

There are 4 paths for Dubois right now:
- he sign his QO which is a one year deal
- he doesn't sign his QO and he has until December 1st to get a contract and play in the 2022-2023 season in the NHL
- the Jets go to arbitration, that means the contract is at least the QO value but it allows Dubois to select a 1 or 2 years from what I understood
- he gets traded (before December 1st if without contract)

K, thanks.

I doubt Dubois wants to screw over the Jets and their two RFA years so he will play for them but he's not giving them any leverage or a path to Montreal that is blocked.

As far as I know, he has not demanded a trade. He has said he will not sign past two years and wants to play for the Habs.

 

[Supersonic]

I’ve read comments the salary cap is expected to jump in the next few years - this will surely come into play regarding HuGo’s approach to Free Agency- when and how much are we expected to see a jump?

 

[Guy Larose]

Lets see if I was right...this was a week before the draft

Habs will trade for PLD, draft Slaf, and keep Anderson, bookmark this!

Proposal: - Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

There's no need to make it so complicated IMO. We could probably just trade for him if we really want him and Vegas is so f***ed with the cap situation. They wouldn't be in a rush to trade him in my opinion. The ask will also be very high and rightfully so.

forums.hfboards.com

 

[le_sean]

Drouin (5,5M $) to L.A. for Sean Walker (2,7M $) (+ a conditional pick depending of Drouin's performance)

Saves another 3M $ + fills a hole on RD.

I think the Kings are too close to the cap to make a move like this.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Lets get Dubois done already!!!!

Anderson - Suzuki - Caufield - Continuation from the second half of last year
Slaf - PLD - Gally - Gally with the comeback season. Slaf shielded by two vets
Drouin - Dach - Dad/Hoff - Surround Dach with some firepower
Pitlick - Evans - Armia - Defensive line

If Slaf forces his way onto this team we have a ton of forwards.

If we trade Dvorak and the Panthers 1st for Dubois, I'd put Dubois with Anderson (Blue Jackets connection).

However, I am a fan of Anderson with Suzuki and Caufield too. Small sample size but the sample we seen last year was very good. Anderson clearly raises his game when he plays with talent. I think he raises his game with Dubois and you can put a guy like Hoffman on that line with his shot and one timer while the other two physical guys do their thing.

Armia is another guy who raises his game when he plays with talent. I'd try him with Suzuki. If we don't like that, we can try Dadonov, Pitlick, Drouin. Some laugh but they are going to explore their multiple line-ups.

In the future, I would be interested to see what a Dubois / Suzuki / Caufield line looks like too!

 

[HABitual Fan]

Ohhh, a little vomit came up when I saw that proposal. Habs should pass on that.

Why? That is what happens when I think of Hoffman for 2 years at 4.5 M in a Hab's uniform!

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think the Kings are too close to the cap to make a move like this.

Wondering what Danault and Bergevin are saying about Drouin. Probably something along the lines of he's not as bad as what the fans and media are saying about him.

Drouin with one of Danault or Kopitar fits. Especially Kopitar. Drouin has never played with a complete center like that before... especially a physical one with skating like that. Look at the centers Drouin has had and then look at the centers Hoffman has. Then look at how Hoffman looks on the Habs with the same centers Drouin plays with. It's a factor

 

[le_sean]

Wondering what Danault and Bergevin are saying about Drouin. Probably something along the lines of he's not as bad as what the fans and media are saying about him.

Drouin with one of Danault or Kopitar fits. Especially Kopitar. Drouin has never played with a complete center like that before... especially a physical one with skating like that. Look at the centers Drouin has had and then look at the centers Hoffman has. Then look at how Hoffman looks on the Habs with the same centers Drouin plays with. It's a factor

With Hughes saying he’s receiving a crazy amount of calls on Anderson, I’d imagine that’s the player Bergevin would be pushing for the Kings to get. He also has his troubles defensively, so putting him with Kopitar would fit.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I’ve read comments the salary cap is expected to jump in the next few years - this will surely come into play regarding HuGo’s approach to Free Agency- when and how much are we expected to see a jump?

Continued marginal growth until players catch up escrow payments, which should be around 2025.

 

[morhilane]

I’ve read comments the salary cap is expected to jump in the next few years - this will surely come into play regarding HuGo’s approach to Free Agency- when and how much are we expected to see a jump?

It will increase by $1m until the league hockey related revenues goes above $4.8 billions, then switch to $2m/year until they eventually move to a formula based system based on previous years revenues. It's explained in this article.

 

[Habs Halifax]

With Hughes saying he’s receiving a crazy amount of calls on Anderson, I’d imagine that’s the player Bergevin would be pushing for the Kings to get. He also has his troubles defensively, so putting him with Kopitar would fit.

Nobody is going to give Hughes our asking price on Anderson. They think we will trade him like we did with Lehkonen and Toffoli but he has more value and is a very rare piece to acquire in today's NHL.

If Anderson was 30, I would trade him. But he is 28 and signed till 32. That's prime years and we need to think Anderson trade in a few years with less term left and a much higher cap. Until then, he provides protection for our younger players.

The Drouin comment was more about adding him while giving us a smaller 1 year cap dump where we save cap and the other team pays little to acquire (maybe a 3rd rounder).

Personally, I think Hughes wants to see what MSL can do with this new roster on a fresh start with MSL and Drouin with a healthy wrist so he can shoot more again

 

[MarioLeMoose]

Wondering what Danault and Bergevin are saying about Drouin. Probably something along the lines of he's not as bad as what the fans and media are saying about him.

Drouin with one of Danault or Kopitar fits. Especially Kopitar. Drouin has never played with a complete center like that before... especially a physical one with skating like that. Look at the centers Drouin has had and then look at the centers Hoffman has. Then look at how Hoffman looks on the Habs with the same centers Drouin plays with. It's a factor

They’re probably saying something along the lines of “he’s awful”
It’s time to stop making excuses for him.

LA isn’t picking up Drouin to ride shotgun on their top line.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It will increase by $1m until the league hockey related revenues goes above $4.8 billions, then switch to $2m/year until they eventually move to a formula based system based on previous years revenues. It's explained in this article.

League revenue has already surpassed $4.8M last year. I believe it was $5.2B and even that was rumored to be on the conservative side. So they are clearly ahead of schedule. Not sure if I missed any final report on revenue? Let me know if anybody seen final revenue reports.

It's quite possible the NHLPA balance is paid off half way through next season and that $1M bump has to be reviewed so that the system is not shocked come 24/25. A $83.5M salary cap for 23/24 and then a $90M+ cap for 24/25 would be a shock to the system and their MOU talks about not wanting to shock the system. Look at the contracts being awarded last off season and this off season. They are clearly on a fast track for a higher cap. Before Covid derailed things, the salary cap was expected to be $84-$88M range (depending on Escrow). That was a report in 2020 (Right before Covid) for the 20/21 season.

Bettman: NHL will set revenue record in '21-22

NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman at his annual State of the League press conference said that the league’s revenues for the '21-22 season will exceed $5.2B and be the highest in league history.

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

There is a chance the cap is higher than $83.5M for 23/24. Teams just can't plan for it but they know there is a chance.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Continued marginal growth until players catch up escrow payments, which should be around 2025.

It's not going to be 2025. The threshold was $4.8B where the $1M increased kicked in and the revenue last year was $5.2B and some are saying that was conservative reports.

They are ahead of schedule, not behind or on schedule. The MOU was set with conversative projections cause that's busines and it's smart. It's what Bettman does best.

It's very possible the balance is paid off during next season or at the end of it. In the MOU, it talks about not wanting to shock the system so they will review things when that day comes. The way it's tracking, that day will come sooner, rather than later.