HF Habs: Trade Proposal Thread #79

[morhilane]

League revenue has already surpassed $4.8M last year. I believe it was $5.2B and even that was rumored to be on the conservative side. So they are clearly ahead of schedule. Not sure if I missed any final report on revenue? Let me know if anybody seen final revenue reports.

It's quite possible the NHLPA balance is paid off half way through next season and that $1M bump has to be reviewed so that the system is not shocked come 24/25. A $83.5M salary cap for 23/24 and then a $90M+ cap for 24/25 would be a shock to the system and their MOU talks about not wanting to shock the system. Look at the contracts being awarded last off season and this off season. They are clearly on a fast track for a higher cap. Before Covid derailed things, the salary cap was expected to be $84-$88M range (depending on Escrow). That was a report in 2020 (Right before Covid) for the 20/21 season.

Bettman: NHL will set revenue record in '21-22

NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman at his annual State of the League press conference said that the league’s revenues for the '21-22 season will exceed $5.2B and be the highest in league history.

www.sportsbusinessjournal.com

There is a chance the cap is higher than $83.5M for 23/24. Teams just can't plan for it but they know there is a chance.

The formula makes it impossible to plan anything if they stick to it, it could even introduce a flat cap if the revenues stays flat (inflations does wonders for that thought).

Also, the article specify "hockey related" revenues, it's probably a subset of the entire league revenues. For example, the $5.2b include $750m in sponsorship which might not be considered "hockey related" revenues.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The formula makes it impossible to plan anything if they stick to it, it could even introduce a flat cap if the revenues stays flat (inflations does wonders for that thought).

Also, the article specify "hockey related" revenues, it's probably a subset of the entire league revenues. For example, the $5.2b include $750m in sponsorship which might not be considered "hockey related" revenues.

Do the math. If the $750M in sponsorship is not "hockey related" revenue, the $4.8B threshold don't get reached and it's still a $81.5M cap.

 

[BaseballCoach]

There are 4 paths for Dubois right now:
- he sign his QO which is a one year deal
- he doesn't sign his QO and he has until December 1st to get a contract and play in the 2022-2023 season in the NHL
- the Jets go to arbitration, that means the contract is at least the QO value but it allows Dubois to select a 1 or 2 years from what I understood
- he gets traded (before December 1st if without contract)

Jets can't go to arbitration, too late

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

We all know Dubois trade aint happening lol.

 

[morhilane]

Jets can't go to arbitration, too late

I thought team arbitration date was next week?

 

[le_sean]

We all know Dubois trade aint happening lol.

Odd take. Everyone is certain it will happen.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I thought team arbitration date was next week?

The Jets had to select arbitration within 48 hours of the Cup final end.

 

[Milhouse40]

Jets can't go to arbitration, too late

I think they have until tonight....

Edit, they have until tonight 5pm

• For the 2021-22 off-season, due to the extended season schedule (originally intended for the Olympics), the second window spans Jul 17, 2022 at 5:01pm ET to July 18, 2022 at 5:00pm ET

 

[Adam Michaels]

Jets can't go to arbitration, too late

The deadline for team-elected arbitration is today, 5PM ET.

Yesterday was the deadline for player-elected arbitrations.

I don't see the Jets opt for arbitration.

 

[Destopcorner]

We all know Dubois trade aint happening lol.

All we know for sure is you will criticize whatever happens.

 

[SlafySZN]

Since when a player that just turn 24 last week is a finish product ?

According to some here, 21 years old dach is a finished product so…

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

The longer the Habs wait the better in regards PLD - the Habs cap will probably be much less after the trade deadline

 

[SlafySZN]

Usually Brisson doesn't do this type of thing, my take is that Chevy screwed up big time by not taking the deal proposed at the NHL draft and Brisson is pissed off and is now turning the heat to get Dubois out of Winnipeg. As well, Hughes didn't seem particularly ecstatic when Bettman announced the trades for Dach, I bet he was plan B after the Dubois trade fell through.

A plan B that hughes worked on for a month and even had to trade romanov to get what he wanted and was done deal before the draft, sure.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Nobody is going to give Hughes our asking price on Anderson. They think we will trade him like we did with Lehkonen and Toffoli but he has more value and is a very rare piece to acquire in today's NHL.

If Anderson was 30, I would trade him. But he is 28 and signed till 32. That's prime years and we need to think Anderson trade in a few years with less term left and a much higher cap. Until then, he provides protection for our younger players.

The Drouin comment was more about adding him while giving us a smaller 1 year cap dump where we save cap and the other team pays little to acquire (maybe a 3rd rounder).

Personally, I think Hughes wants to see what MSL can do with this new roster on a fresh start with MSL and Drouin with a healthy wrist so he can shoot more again

I like Anderson but I'd happily trade him for a Toffoli package

Btw if they trade with LA I want to get Matt Roy coming back - perfect RHD for Habs - but LA probably want to keep him. Still LA has lots of RHD.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Odd take. Everyone is certain it will happen.

everyone is dreaming lol.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I like Anderson but I'd happily trade him for a Toffoli package

Not me. Anderson has higher value than Toffoli and is more rare to acquire.

Odd take. Everyone is certain it will happen.

It's possible it will happen but not this summer. I just wonder if talks between Hughes and Chevy have stalled and they are not talking anymore.

Hughes is playing his leverage well. Jets are likely trying to talk to other teams so I say good luck to them. Habs do not have to make a desperate trade for Dubois. I'm very interested but not desperate. The more time goes by, the less value he has IMO.

Chevy created this situation by offering Laine and Rost for a player who refuses to sign long term.

 

[Milhouse40]

The deadline for team-elected arbitration is today, 5PM ET.

Yesterday was the deadline for player-elected arbitrations.

I don't see the Jets opt for arbitration.

I think you're 80% right....but I see a reason why they would go for arbitration.

Dragging him to arbitration will insure they'll be able to put him under contract for next year.
If rumors and the little things that's out there are true......seems to me that a trade was in place to make Dubois a Habs at the draft and something went wrong at the last minutes. Chevy being responsible of it wouldn't be surprising since Brisson started using the medias to add pressure just after the draft.

If they are all pissed....Dubois could hold out at camp and stay home and then Habs would have a tons of leverage and Jets none.

That would be the one reason for the Jets to go for arbitration

 

[Takeru]

For those wondering why go after him now... this is how I see it and I'll use a dating example to explain the situation.

Lets pretend you are a 3/10 right now, but you know... you want to be better and want to improve yourself. You're willing to go to the gym and work on yourself. You meet a girl, she's a 8/10 and interested in you... Would you refuse to go out with her because your not a 7/10 or 8/10 now? No, you would go out with her, stick to the plan of bettering yourself... for yourself and just praise your lucky star that you meet her and like you for you!

Enough with this non sense of "we are not there yet" as a team. For once, a good player wants to come play here. go get him. Send a positive message to other local player that you will embrace them if they want to come, send a positive message to your current roster about the fact that despite being hard time, it's not as if this was Siberia. Grow a new culture....

You dont have to overpay, you have the Jets by the balls right now. let the agent and the players devalue the asset in a trade so that the only option is to be traded to MTL and that let them realize that a deal right now of Dvorak, pick and b-prospect is as good as it gets. Be patient, but keep the pressure on.

Props for the funny analogy, though as in most cases it's oversimplifying the situation a little.

The most reasonnable couterarguments to acquiring PLD have to do with acquisition cost + cap space needed to be invested in him, neither of which are adressed in your dating example. And the fact that PLD being an 8/10 is debatable. Asset management and building a team have little to do with finding a romantic partner (thankfully so ).

 

[DAChampion]

I wonder what Chevy wants?

Maybe Dvorak, Dach, Florida 1st, and a 2nd?

 

[Luigi Habs]

we need space for kids now. We have 4 vets already

I think we need one more on the RD. Wideman is a 6th/7th that may not play regularly, and I`d rather Barron start the season in the AHL.

 

[Takeru]

Cheveldayoff and Gorton have done this dance before, with the Rangers acquiring Trouba. Both guys are stubborn and both guys dug in for the long haul. I suspect a deal will happen, but I wouldn’t expect it to happen anytime soon, unless they were very close in their previous discussions. The Habs want the player, the Jets want to save face, somewhere in the middle is where both Hughes and Chevaldaoff will have to meet. I think it’s a foregone conclusion PLD is coming here, it’s just a matter of who’s going to blink first.

If we do trade for PLD, hopefully we come out on top.

It's a reverse Petry situation, though with a younger player.
The pressure isn't on us to make that deal. It's an interesting opportunity but not one worth overpaying for.
We'll see what Hughes is made of/how desperate he can get about a player he wants after those talks end.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I think we need one more on the RD. Wideman is a 6th/7th that may not play regularly, and I`d rather Barron start the season in the AHL.

We have 3 RHD and plenty of LHD that can play the right rise. Barron is starting on the Habs. I’d be surprised if they got another D unless they trade wingers for them. Still need cap space to sign RFAs and PLD

 

[The Great Weal]

I think we need one more on the RD. Wideman is a 6th/7th that may not play regularly, and I`d rather Barron start the season in the AHL.

I'd prefer Barron to start in the AHL too but they likely won't do that as they want to give him the chance. However we still need a right dman in case Barron can't handle the NHL that well. I could see us getting Justin Holl once we put Price and Byron on LTIR.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I wonder what Chevy wants?

Maybe Dvorak, Dach, Florida 1st, and a 2nd?

...then he can send Pouty Pierre somewhere else, cuz that should be a non-starter...

 

[Takeru]

I wonder what Chevy wants?

Maybe Dvorak, Dach, Florida 1st, and a 2nd?

Hopefully Hughes isn't willing to spend as much.

Quite a few assets to spend on an upgrade from Dvorak.

Additionally, there's a decent chance at least one of bolded could become comparable impact player to Dubois (whether C or D), with more cost controlled years. Too rich for me.